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Old 06-30-2019, 08:17 AM   #1
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Aww hell, I've owned my share of sports cars that put Subaru to shame in the performance and sophistication department! BMW and Porsche mainly. Spent more money on cars than I care to admit.

I've owned a 2004 STi and a 2015 WRX. The STi was stolen from me in a parking lot in south florida, and the 15' WRX was the single car that I owned for the longest (a stretch of 4 years....that's impressive for me).

They rattle, have paper thin paint, are loud, have bare bones interiors, dent easily, and remind me of tin cans compared to the BMW and Porsches that I've owned. I cursed them many days in my ownership, swore I was done with Subaru, longing to return to something more serious in my 30s, more luxurious, more quiet on road trips, and something that sounded like a real engine should (the 2015 sounded like a monotonous vacuum cleaner to me).

I got rid of my WRX about 3-4 months ago, and what the hell? That's right, I'm already scheming on how to pick up a 2019 STi. Does this happen to anyone else ? I can't figure out what it is that keeps me going back to Subaru. It's like there is some intangible factor I can't figure out.
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:29 AM   #2
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It's probably memory of serious fun you've had in the past, and longing to get back to it.
I owned this crazy 1000cc V-twin Honda RC51 for a few years, it was a 2002. I swore i'd never sell it, always ride a V-twin because of the torque and crazy sound it produced. Just gave me so much joy. Loved looking it in the garage too.
YEP, i sold it. YEP, i want it back. We do stupid things out of boredom or need.
For what it's worth, i'd probably not go back to my 2016 WRX either. But i'm hoping to keep the 2018 STI for a long long time, if not forever. Sound, cornering, eventually more torque = FUN
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:31 AM   #3
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They suit my needs and my wife's requirement to have all wheel drive. My very first Subaru was an 01 2.5 RS that was the cheapest option at the time for an AWD car. Got an Outback limited for the wife the next year because she wanted an AWD wagon and it was the cheapest option. At that time, Audi was the only other good car option and was 50% more money.

Every car is a new decision for me. We'll be buying something soon and I want a manual (don't have one at the moment) so my son who's about to get his license will have something to learn how to drive one. Likely will be a Crosstrek. My only other choice being considered is a Wrangler Rubicon.
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:42 AM   #4
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It's probably memory of serious fun you've had in the past, and longing to get back to it.
I owned this crazy 1000cc V-twin Honda RC51 for a few years, it was a 2002. I swore i'd never sell it, always ride a V-twin because of the torque and crazy sound it produced. Just gave me so much joy. Loved looking it in the garage too.
YEP, i sold it. YEP, i want it back. We do stupid things out of boredom or need.
For what it's worth, i'd probably not go back to my 2016 WRX either. But i'm hoping to keep the 2018 STI for a long long time, if not forever. Sound, cornering, eventually more torque = FUN
RC51, that's a bad dog right there. Reminds me of good ole' Kentucky Kid' Nicky Hayden may he rest in peace.

You have a good point...maybe I took for granted the strengths of the WRX I owned, and my boredom got the best of me. The STi motor will solve the engine sound problem I guess, reminds me of a V twin or L twin pulse which is usually not found in cars. Back when I owned motorcycles, I always gravitated towards V or L twins (in the case of Ducati )
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:54 AM   #5
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Honestly I can easily afford much more expensive cars, but these WRX/STI, especially the VA STI's, bring back nostalgia of how modded cars were back 20-25yrs ago with added twist and some refinement.

I don't care for cars that drive perfectly or completely rattle free because it looses the fun character. Imperfections bring so much more fun in a car and Subaru executed the current STI's very well. I also don't care for AT cars (nor RWD cars these days) so that pretty much takes out most high end cars.. and I'm not much of a Porsche guy so that really doesn't leave me with many other choices. Not that I feel I'm forced to buy Subaru.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:26 PM   #6
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For the cost, its unbeatable for an all around car. Its not the most powerful nor fastest, but it gives the driver satisfaction in what he paid for. Not all cars can do that.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:32 PM   #7
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for my family and I, it's always been small, manual, all wheel drive.
For us it started as kids watching WRC in the 90's. Then came my brother's 2005 WRX which he still has, then I got a 2008 WRX, then wife got a 2011 Impreza 2.5i. Then came a 2014 Forester for the brother's wife, which was traded in recently for an Ascent. In 2017 went from the 08 WRX to 17 WRX.
The 2011 is getting old now, wife needs to commute to work, will be replaced with a crosstrek somewhere along the way.
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Old 06-30-2019, 03:09 PM   #8
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I can't imagine driving anything else.
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Old 06-30-2019, 04:10 PM   #9
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My mom has only driven Subaru’s. And she’s been driving since the early ‘70’s. My brother, dad and I are all on our second Subaru. They do well out here in the Rocky’s. I mean, we’ve only had N/As, but they are great ear round cars for the driving we do. Can handle snow great, especially with a set of snow tires, and can last forever. Plus the gas milage isn’t horrid. I couldn’t imagine any other car for a DD or a build.
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Old 06-30-2019, 04:45 PM   #10
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I'm on my 6th Subaru, they are not perfect but they have character. I like the dealership's compared to many of the other brands in this segment, and I like the Subaru Community. I think Subaru has great value compared to similar offings of the other brands. The WRX/STi offers a very connected feel in an AWD sporty compact. I'm not sure what else really offers that in the 27-37K range. Take away the AWD aspect, maybe the GTI, Veloster N, Civic Si/Type R?? I recently bought a 19 STi and looked at other offerings, but nothing else sparked much interest. If I wanted to spend 45k-55K I could think of a few other cars I'd like to have.

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Old 06-30-2019, 08:47 PM   #11
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Strikes and Gutters, ups and downs...Nice to hear some other stories. I take comfort knowin' there's other fellers' out there that get the whole Subaru thing. Each time I bought a bimmer or Porsche, I knew I was entering a world of pain. I could write a dissertation on the tenants of man, and his tendency to treat women like objects - but nothing prepared me for the similar strife I'd face with cars.

When I owned the "nice" cars, I was always worried about them....parking lots, maintenance, reliability, bugs, washing, miles, inclement weather. With my last 15' WRX I didn't give a rat's behind ! I rode her like Sea Biscuit !


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Old 06-30-2019, 10:08 PM   #12
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They are great performing cars no matter the season, there is just a certain rugged'ness to them that i personally love. Great grip in the summer time and good traction on snow. I would love to own a Porsche GT3 but the thought of strapping a snowboard to the top and driving up to the mountains makes me cringe. The Subarus just have soul.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:57 PM   #13
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I'm on my 6th Subaru, they are not perfect but they have character. I like the dealership's compared to many of the other brands in this segment, and I like the Subaru Community. I think Subaru has great value compared to similar offings of the other brands. The WRX/STi offers a very connected feel in an AWD sporty compact. I'm not sure what else really offers that in the 27-37K range.
I concur. I am on my 5th Subaru. I had a '92 Legacy, which was quite possibly the most solid and reliable car that I ever owned, I ended up selling it to a coworker who needed a reliable car a few years after I bought my '02 WRX (first new car).

I had my '02 WRX for about 8 years, and ended up replacing it with a 370Z in 2009. I assumed that I should have a Z and that was going to be my sports car since my uncle had a '70 240Z that I pretended I was a racecar driver in when I was about 3 and called dibs on it if he ever sold it. Tragically, it caught fire in his driveway and it was unsalvageable.

Anyway, I missed the WRX so much and the 370Z was not practical in MD winters even with snow tires, so I bought an '02 wagon with low miles for my daily driver. Rust and miles eventually took their toll, so I traded that one in on a '13 Ford Focus, which in hindsight was one of the poorest automotive decisions I have had the misfortune to make.

About a year later, my wife was pregnant with our son, and I decided to trade the Focus in on a '15 Forester XT (Subaru #4 for those of you counting). That car served us well until we had our daughter and we needed something bigger than the Forester. I made the wise and painful decision to trade the 370Z for a Toyota Sienna minivan. After driving the Forester XT for awhile, I decided that I really still missed driving a car (and probably the WRX ghosts of the past were whispering in my ear again), so I traded it in on my current car, the '18 WRX that I have had for almost a year now.

When I bought my WRX (Subaru #5) I also looked at Golf R's, but I decided on the WRX because of a few factors. Friends and family that had VWs had reliability issues. My sister had two Jettas that had cold start issues that were dismissed and scoffed at by the dealer. My coworker's eGolf has lived at the VW dealer's service department more than it has at his house. Also, the VW dealers were not willing to negotiate on price of the Golf R's. The $10k differential between the WRX and R became a huge factor, and I decided that it was in the better interest of the family to take that $10k and apply it to the kids' college savings funds.

But, I digress, why do I keep coming back? As others have said, Subaru makes damn good cars for everyday use. Also, I haven't found a better automotive community. Having been on these forums for a long time, I've always enjoyed reading posts, browsing, laughing, and learning new things here. The community members I've met, the meets I've attended, I have not had a better experience with any other automobile make.
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:03 AM   #14
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Aww hell, I've owned my share of sports cars that put Subaru to shame in the performance and sophistication department! BMW and Porsche mainly. Spent more money on cars than I care to admit.

I've owned a 2004 STi and a 2015 WRX. The STi was stolen from me in a parking lot in south florida, and the 15' WRX was the single car that I owned for the longest (a stretch of 4 years....that's impressive for me).

I got rid of my WRX about 3-4 months ago, and what the hell? That's right, I'm already scheming on how to pick up a 2019 STi. Does this happen to anyone else ? I can't figure out what it is that keeps me going back to Subaru. It's like there is some intangible factor I can't figure out.
Awh Man, speaking my mind. Pretty much in the same boat, been licensed for more than half my life and the first 10 years I was obsessed with BMW. Typically would own one for a year or two, and then sell for something more basic like a Honda Prelude/Integra or Jeep Wrangler until the sports car itch would hit again and I'd begin my hunt.

I loved driving the Bavarians but the maintenance always seemed to strike at a difficult time and it really drove me nuts, and for reasons unknown I never did my own maintenance on German vehicles but had no problem working on Japanese cars.

So after buying a 2002 WRX from a dealer, in which they told me it needed a new turbo, suspension and timing belt but it was cheap $..i sourced the parts and did all the work myself. The car ended up lasting up to 185k miles(sold to a friend) and had no real issues. So I guess my point is i love being able to work on the car which is already a reliable beast in my experience. Love the practicality of awd, the adventure these cars bring and the community is overall a big plus.

On my 4th Subaru>2002 wrx, 2001 Legacy(beater), 2013 STI(new), 2015 wrx(CPO-current). Waiting on the right deal for a new 2019-2020 STI..
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:21 AM   #15
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My STI is my first Subaru. However, my dad has a 260k mile all original Forester...so I have some experience with Subaru's.

They are fantastic cars, no matter what others say. If you have minimal mechanical experience ("wrenching"), you should have no problem maintaining a Subaru. Plus, how many cars give you so much (at least in the STI's case) for not much money (i.e., AWD, Turbo engine, huge Brembo's, LSD's, and probably the most important....a MANUAL TRANSMISSION!)
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:35 AM   #16
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They tick all the boxes for my wants in a daily driver:

4 doors (have two kids)
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Good gas mileage (30-32 mpg on my commutes)
Nice styling
Fun to drive (manual transmission and decent power/handling is a must for me)
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Reliable (....ish ) The only issues I've had with my 2015 were a crappy battery (not enough CCA's for my climate) and a couple weird shifter cable issues which remedied themselves.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:43 AM   #17
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This my family's 4th Subaru. A Forester, Impreza, Outback and now STI.

The STI gets a lot of flak for not having as refined of an interior. But to me it is refined enough.

For me it really came down to the manual transmission. I would have preferred a two seater like the BRZ, but I don't fit into any of them. The STI comes only in a manual which I really like. Subaru is actually embracing the manual. Others manufacturers seem to think that only those who want to save money would want a manual. I could have got a BMW M2 or M4 which I am sure are "better" cars. But I cannot believe that they are enough nicer to justify the price.

Once I test drove the STI I fell in love with it. It is plenty fast enough for me. I love the way it handles. If it came in a coupe it would be perfect.
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Old 07-01-2019, 02:39 PM   #18
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Good points by all...subaru community is pretty tight knit as well, loads of info and help on these forums.

I think I'll end up jumping on a 2019 STi next couple of months, I was not sure if I should wait for the 2020 reboot but life is short. Hopefully I'll be joining the family again soon
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Old 07-01-2019, 02:51 PM   #19
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I've purchased 2 subarus, so come back once basically. The first one, an 03 forester X is still trucking at 207k miles with my daughter and I always wanted an XT, so found a cheap one that i could fix up as a beater/fun car. I know the cars well by now and not being the best DIY'er that helps me a ton with working on them myself.

Plus i tend to gravitate towards slightly alternative car brands, which at one time Subaru qualified.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:22 PM   #20
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Good points by all...subaru community is pretty tight knit as well, loads of info and help on these forums.

I think I'll end up jumping on a 2019 STi next couple of months, I was not sure if I should wait for the 2020 reboot but life is short. Hopefully I'll be joining the family again soon
Good choice! 2019's have RA motors that have slightly beefier internals (as I've read). Assuming the 2020's will be identical to the 2019's and the last years of the EJ25's....should make the 19'/20' models more "sought after" in the far future . All speculation at this point...
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:22 PM   #21
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Frankly, nothing that Subaru builds today, outside of the STI and BRZ, are remotely interesting to me these days. I keep coming back to the old models, the GLs, RXs, GC/GD Imprezas because they were designed with logical, straightforward engineering, are simple to maintain at home and were pretty durable. I can't say that about any of their current products, outside the two aforementioned models.
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:46 PM   #22
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Our WRX is only our second Subaru, so it's only our first time back to Subaru.

Even our "family sedans" have to be fun to drive - think 4 doors with better than average for the segment cornering/handling and decent power . . . and they must be equipped with a manual transmission.

Our first Subaru was a Legacy 2.5 GT, which dropped the MT option and consequently lost us as customers for that model. Not the first time we've "jumped ship" for that reason.


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Old 07-02-2019, 07:43 PM   #23
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Although I just recently got my first Subaru I don't think I'll go back to any other brand for a daily. Snows out here pretty bad in the winter so RWD is out of the question. I wanted a sportier awd car after owning an A4 Audi and it fit the spot.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:38 PM   #24
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Because I'm over Volkswagen and refused to buy another even though the Golf R technically is everything I want in car. Well, except for the crappy dealership service department that is the closest in a 60 mile radius. As a result, another WRX it is!

I had considered an Ecoboost Mehstang, but as one of my friends said:

What is the difference between you and an 80 year-old man with a 4 cylinder Mustang? NOTHING!

I looked at the Civic SI, but man is that car cramped for someone who is 5' 11" and weights 245 pounds. It's also FWD, which I loathe.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:10 PM   #25
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Haven't left, no reason to. I drive new hondas and newer used vehicles of other brands daily.

Not that we don't have our fair share of "bmw douche" type owners, but most subaru owners I know are down to earth. I've never been left stranded in a subaru and to me most feel comfortable and ergonomically designed inside. The cars also seem confident on the road, obviously awd (even the primitive first gen type) helps with that.
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