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Old 06-09-2021, 11:51 AM   #51
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For my money, I'm buying a Ridgeline over a Maverick.

Maverick as configured is 37k (Lariat, 2.0T, AWD, 4k tow package, FX4, faux-leather), Ridgeline comparably configured (RTL) is 40k with more of everything. Per usual, Ford makes you check a bunch of boxes you don't want to get the stuff you do want, which really jacked up the price. Just for S&G's a 4dr F150 is about 59k (Lariat, 5.0, bunch of other s*** I don't want packaged with stuff I do want).
Will Configure a Santa Cruz when that comes online, Probably landing in limited territory though, just because I don't want cloth seats that will get destroyed by my offspring (and my wife).
This is definitely a good point. At this price, you even start comparing it to the Ranger, and that's probably a better value. Staying unibody, with the Santa Cruz pricing tbd, the Ridgeline becomes a good value. I think the bread and butter of the Maverick is going to be the base hybrid engine XLT with AWD.
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This is definitely a good point. At this price, you even start comparing it to the Ranger, and that's probably a better value. Staying unibody, with the Santa Cruz pricing tbd, the Ridgeline becomes a good value. I think the bread and butter of the Maverick is going to be the base hybrid engine XLT with AWD.
Have to upgrade to the turbo engine for AWD.
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:13 PM   #53
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This is definitely a good point. At this price, you even start comparing it to the Ranger, and that's probably a better value. Staying unibody, with the Santa Cruz pricing tbd, the Ridgeline becomes a good value. I think the bread and butter of the Maverick is going to be the base hybrid engine XLT with AWD.
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Have to upgrade to the turbo engine for AWD.
If you don't care about anything except AWD, it's 25k for poverty spec; 4k tow package is another $750 on top of that. Not a bad spot to be, and definitely an affordable truck for the masses.
You can have black, white, gray, gray, gray, silver or velocity blue (gray, gray, gray, is not a typo, they just have 3 different grays); at least there is a fun color.
17" steelies and basic amenities inside.

Right out of college me might have considered it IF I needed a truck then (I didn't, I drove mustangs & rode motorcycles), but not wife & two kids me, with my/our current income.

Younger Gen Y & older Gen Z? yeah probably the truck for them, or not, I'm no market analyst.
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:19 PM   #54
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I built the Maverick I'd buy to $33k. I'd have to see and feel in person to know if that's a decent value. But I look at it like a replacement to my Tiguan. Trading off the CUV utility for a truck bed utility with similar everything else and more towing capacity for less MSRP. I think that's going to be the majority of buyers for the Maverick anyway.

The Ranger looks like a literal turd or a flaccid fish penis depending on color.
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:44 PM   #55
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I'm actually pretty intrigued by this truck... I'm really looking forward to getting rid of the outback and a truck is on the list of possible replacements.

I don't like the ridgeline, the aesthetics both inside and out are too CUV for me. The ranger looks awful. Would get a Taco but the price is hard to justify given that I'd rarely use any of it's capabilities.

This one comes in just right - mid 30's for a pretty tricked out awd pickup truck is a pretty good deal. And the timing could be just right to pass this on to my son when he starts driving - he really wants a truck. And I'm not going to force my kid into some old rusty death trap, he'll get something of reasonable size with reasonable safety features. One that's 8 years old would be fine with me, it'd be fully paid off and have been used for 4 years without payments.
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Perspective of a Swedish transplant. He notes that the F-150 is huge in size and doesn't make sense in Europe, but the Maverick could sell very well. Plus the simple, straightforward design has European sensibility.

It has towing capability, so one could get a trailer if they needed to haul something significant.
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Sure, but in Europe everything has towing capability. Only in North America do we clutch our pearls about towing with unibody vehicles.
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:48 PM   #57
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Have to upgrade to the turbo engine for AWD.
Yep, missed that. Then that changes things as AWD will be a big seller. The Ridgeline didn't sell well with FWD, thus Honda dropping it. Odd that the Maverick base hybrid doesn't have AWD as an option as the Escape Hybrid does.

One thing that is a little disappointing is the lack of torque vectoring rear diff with FX4 off road package.

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Sure, but in Europe everything has towing capability. Only in North America do we clutch our pearls about towing with unibody vehicles.
No doubt no doubt. It's annoying for sure.
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Completely OT, but I can see my house on the build page.
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:47 AM   #61
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Would overlook FWD if there were a 2-door regular cab/bed style available along with hybrid AWD powertrain (could be a like modern day overgrown OG Austin Mini truck).

The hybrid's est. EPA city MPG rating "should" make a pretty compelling case for those who want a truck-ish vehicle w/out the fuel penalty at a low price.
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:31 AM   #62
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Configured mine at 36K - ecoboost, awd, Lariat, F4X, Luxury, Tow, and a sunroof... pretty damn loaded for that price. A lot of things I don't really want, but that's the deal with packages. I like that the sunroof isn't tied to a package.

Honestly, I'm kind of excited about this one... Obviously a bit of a wait for now, I'm not going to be a first-in-line reservation holder or ADM sucker, so we'll see how I feel in about a year, but I'm currently stoked on the idea of replacing the outback with this, until some manufacturer comes out with an EV that is a bit more intriguing. And even then, I may just keep this one around to give to my kid as I mentioned previously...
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A lot of people are gonna enjoy this thing at bottom dollar. Most will prefer FWD over RWD and love the targeted 40 MPG, plus 4 doors and a bed. All for $20k, which I foresee being discounted from time to time. I'd consider this as a secondary car if I had an actually sporty primary car.
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Old 06-10-2021, 03:55 PM   #64
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I just wish they would redo the first gen ranger. 2500 lbs, 9.5 long bed, would cost $16,500 today when adjusted for inflation.

Put a hybrid in it and it would probably get 60 mpg.
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I'm already wondering what the mid-model refresh will bring to the Maverick. Once they add some fog lights, AWD option on the hybrid and a few styling tweaks, I think it will be an even more compelling offering.

If I were in the market for a truck like this, I would attempt to keep the Maverick under $30k or else I'd probably step up to a Ridgeline RTL.
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I'm already wondering what the mid-model refresh will bring to the Maverick. Once they add some fog lights, AWD option on the hybrid and a few styling tweaks, I think it will be an even more compelling offering.

If I were in the market for a truck like this, I would attempt to keep the Maverick under $30k or else I'd probably step up to a Ridgeline RTL.
I read that with the gas tank in the rear, as well as the batteries for the hybrid system, that there's likely not enough room on this compact chassis to offer awd plus hybrid.

I personally just don't like the styling of the RL, so even at a higher spec, this Mavrick has a lot of appeal. My only concern is fitting adults in the back. I'd like to have the flexibility to use this as a shuttle rig for mountain biking and if it's difficult to fit some of my bigger buddies in the back, it might not work...
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I think the value of "looks like a ford pickup" is hard to overstate for the target demographic.

I think many people buying the will barely get the distinction between fwd, rwd, unibody etc.

don't think its a bad thing though, makes alot of sense for many people.

now how about a little platform engineering to turn the turbo AWD model into a manual rally wagon?
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I read that with the gas tank in the rear, as well as the batteries for the hybrid system, that there's likely not enough room on this compact chassis to offer awd plus hybrid.
It's based on the Escape platform.
MT thinks that there's no technical reason to not offer AWD in the hybrid models.
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The 2022 Ford Maverick*boasts an entirely new electric traction motor that is the first one developed and manufactured fully in-house at*Ford. Its form factor isn't terribly different from the motor used in*the Ford Escape Hybrid, but it renders the e-CVT transmission a unique new part number from that used in the Escape Hybrid.*
So although there is no packaging or technological impediment to modifying the Escape Hybrid AWD model's e-CVT to accommodate the Maverick's new motor, Ford decided not to bite off more than it could chew by developing and launching both front- and all-wheel-drive Maverick hybrid variants in the first model year. Let those who demand AWD spring for the fancier, more profitable 2.0-liter EcoBoost Maverick. Ford can fan the sales flames later by adding an AWD Hybrid version to the lineup.*
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I'm already wondering what the mid-model refresh will bring to the Maverick. Once they add some fog lights, AWD option on the hybrid and a few styling tweaks, I think it will be an even more compelling offering.
A PHEV version could be in the cards too once the Escape PHEV hits the ground.

Even a more off-road version with a torque vectoring rear diff and 2.3L 310 hp engine from the Broncos Sport Badlands. Call it the Maverick Raptor that is essentially a Focus RS in truck clothes. They could offer various adventure versions/themes like the Bronco Sport.

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It's based on the Escape platform.
MT thinks that there's no technical reason to not offer AWD in the hybrid models.
all conjecture at this point really...

I wouldn't want they hybrid to begin with, so I don't really care. Give me ICE, or give me EV, I don't want a hybrid.
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all conjecture at this point really...

I wouldn't want they hybrid to begin with, so I don't really care. Give me ICE, or give me EV, I don't want a hybrid.
It would still be a good move for Ford. It would be a heck of a better option than the Ecosport for the price.
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Interesting, I honestly thought this thing would weigh more. Hybrid weighs 3,674 lbs, FWD turbo 3,563, and the heaviest is AWD at 3,731 lbs. The 2.5 is made in Mexico while the turbo is made in Ohio or Spain.
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I brought this thing up to a friend of mine today. Her little old Nissan Frontier is about to die and she'd prefer to have a 4 door truck next time, but she doesn't have any interest in a full-size truck. Even my Ridgeline is a little larger than what she's interested in. She really only needs a bed for hauling gardening supplies (dirt, wheelbarrows, trees, etc) and the Maverick is almost ideal.
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Even a more off-road version with a torque vectoring rear diff and 2.3L 310 hp engine from the Broncos Sport Badlands. Call it the Maverick Raptor that is essentially a Focus RS in truck clothes. They could offer various adventure versions/themes like the Bronco Sport.
I'd be interested in that version.

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Interesting, I honestly thought this thing would weigh more. Hybrid weighs 3,674 lbs, FWD turbo 3,563, and the heaviest is AWD at 3,731 lbs. The 2.5 is made in Mexico while the turbo is made in Ohio or Spain.
As did I, pretty impressed with how light it is.

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I brought this thing up to a friend of mine today. Her little old Nissan Frontier is about to die and she'd prefer to have a 4 door truck next time, but she doesn't have any interest in a full-size truck. Even my Ridgeline is a little larger than what she's interested in. She really only needs a bed for hauling gardening supplies (dirt, wheelbarrows, trees, etc) and the Maverick is almost ideal.
Yeah, my FIL picked up a Ridgeline about a week ago (traded in a failing 2007 cab-and-a-half Frontier no less), it's at least as big as a 90's 1/2 ton, it looks bigger than his frontier, but I'm not sure it is (aside from length, because cab and a half vs. double cab); it's definitely bigger on the inside though, so much room for activities.

I'm going to waffle over what truck I eventually buy until I actually buy it. Ridegline? Maverick? Santa Cruz? F150? Lightning? Other? time will tell I suppose; I just put wheels & tires on my IS, so my car modification lust has been slaked for the time being.
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