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Old 03-09-2020, 06:29 AM   #1
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Rear-drive 420bhp M2 will pave the way for an M2 Gran Coupé and fiery full-fat M 1 Series

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BMW has given the production green light to a new rear-wheel-drive M2 performance coupé, as part of a future compact M car line-up that will include a four-wheel-drive M2 Gran Coupé and a 1 Series with more than 400bhp.

The second-generation M2 coupé, which takes the internal codename G87, is scheduled to go on sale in the UK in 2022. It will bring with it a detuned version of BMW M’s latest six-cylinder petrol engine, sourced from the soon-to-be-revealed new M3 and M4 and the recently introduced X3 M and X4 M.

This twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre petrol unit, dubbed S58, replaces the similarly configured S55 used by the current M2 and promises the same high-revving characteristics, with a redline of 7200rpm.

Nothing is official at this early stage, but insiders hint that the S58 will be tuned to provide the new junior M car with at least 420bhp in standard form – a 16bhp increase over today’s M2 Competition – to top the 416bhp of the turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine in the Mercedes-AMG A45 S.

Together with 406lb ft of torque, this should ensure off-the-line performance is on par with, if not better than, that of its predecessor, despite an incremental increase in weight due to slightly larger dimensions. Its 0-62mph time should be in the low four-second bracket and its top speed close to 175mph when configured with a final drive ratio similar to today’s M2.

The basis for the new M2 is the forthcoming second-generation 2 Series Coupé, itself heavily related to the third-generation Z4 and its Toyota GR Supra sibling.

Due to reach showrooms in 2021, the new 2 Series Coupé, known internally by the codename G42, takes a different technical route to the new 2 Series Gran Coupé by adopting the latest evolution of BMW’s Cluster Architecture (CLAR) platform. This ensures the future M2 will have a similar mechanical layout to today’s model, with a longitudinal engine mounting instead of the transverse layout of its four-door M235i xDrive Gran Coupé sibling, which is based on BMW’s Front Architecture (FAAR) platform.

The adoption of the CLAR platform also future-proofs the M2 by providing it with the basis for a 48V electrical architecture, which is crucial for such features as throttle-off engine idling, regenerative braking and the option of an electric boosting function.

The new M2 is expected to go without mild-hybrid electric boosting at launch. However, with BMW’s M division already well advanced on such a system for the S58 engine, it could be incorporated during the car’s planned seven-year life cycle.

Autocar sources suggest all future M models will eventually receive mild-hybrid technology as part of BMW’s plans to lower its fleet average CO2 figure.

As with today’s model, BMW plans to offer the new M2 with a six-speed manual gearbox and an electronically controlled Active M Differential. There will also be the option of an eight-speed torque-converter automatic gearbox, which would be crucial if the car is to receive a mild-hybrid system. This will replace the current M2’s dual-clutch automatic, matching developments elsewhere in the BMW M range.

“We have some markets that are calling for an automatic option, but the overwhelming majority of our customers continue to see the manual gearbox as a must-have feature,” a BMW M source told Autocar.

As with the current M2, a number of traditional M division developments will elevate the new model above regular 2 Series Coupé variants. These include additional stiffening measures by way of suspension-strut tower-mounted beams front and rear, dynamic engine mounts and a wider track, the last of which again has necessitated new bodywork.

Despite the M division’s move to provide other recent M models with fully variable four-wheel drive, Autocar sources said the new M2 will retain rear-wheel drive exclusively as part of plans to pitch it as a puristic, circuit-bred model in the best of BMW tradition.

“It’s part of what makes the M2 unique in its market segment,” said an insider. “It’s also what our customers have come to expect from BMW M: a pure and undiluted driving experience.”

The decision to stick with rear-wheel drive will give the M2 a unique selling point in a market now dominated by four-wheel-drive rivals, including performance hatchbacks such as the Audi RS3 and Mercedes-AMG A45 S. And although the Porsche 718 Cayman is considered a competitor to the new BMW, its engine is mounted in the middle, rather than up front.

Aesthetically, the new M2 is said to draw heavily on the M235i xDrive Gran Coupé for inspiration. The two are said to share similar front-end styling, most notably in the shape of the grille and headlights. However, the longitudinal engine in the new M2 dictates a longer bonnet and a more cab-rearward profile than its transverse-engined four-door relation.

As with the original M2, the new model is scheduled to be assembled alongside standard versions of the second-generation 2 Series Coupé and the third-generation Z4 at BMW’s factory in Leipzig, Germany, for the British market. Plans also exist for the model to be built alongside the latest 3 Series at BMW’s new San Luis Potosí site in Mexico for other selected markets, including North America.

Autocar also understands the M2 will eventually be joined by a four-door namesake, despite previous reports to the contrary. Rivalling the Mercedes-AMG CLA 45 and forthcoming new Audi RS3 Saloon, the M2 Gran Coupé will get around 400bhp from a highly tuned version of the M235i Gran Coupé’s four-cylinder engine and have fully variable four-wheel drive.

That unit will also transfer into the most powerful 1 Series hatchback yet, which will sit above the 302bhp M135i. It’s not clear what name this new flagship will take. M1 is considered holy ground, having been used on the first bespoke road-going M car back in 1978, and 1M was the widely used nickname for the limited-run 1 Series M Coupé of 2011.

The new M versions of the 1 Series and 2 Series will complement a successor to the rear-wheel-drive M240i Coupé, giving BMW a diversified line-up of both four- and six-cylinder junior performance cars for years to come.
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Old 03-09-2020, 07:29 AM   #2
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I think I like that red one..

I think they managed to NOT F up the front.

They've got the S58 in there!!! No more crank spin crap!

Oh man...

EDIT: Ugh, freakin Autocar renders. They always look so good. Why don't the car manus hire the Autocar render guy to design their cars. His next gen BRZ render is perfect.

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Old 03-09-2020, 10:36 AM   #3
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All they really did was take the new 2 series coupe and make a 2 door render. Since the M2 will ride on a different platform it's not a given it's going to look like the 2 series coupe.
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The M2 will eventually be joined by a four-door namesake, the M2 Gran Coupé will get around 400bhp from a highly tuned version of the M235i Gran Coupé's four-cylinder engine and have fully variable four-wheel drive.

That unit will also transfer into the most powerful 1 Series hatchback yet, which will sit above the 302bhp M135i. It's not clear what name this new flagship will take. M1 is considered holy ground, having been used on the first bespoke road-going M car back in 1978, and 1M was the widely used nickname for the limited-run 1 Series M Coupé of 2011.
AWD, 4 door hatchback with 400+ hp? I'm sure it won't make it to the US or receive an option for a manual transmission, but I like the rendering and concept. Wouldn't it be nice if this 400+ hp hatchback and AMG's 415+ hp M139 (either in the A45S or GLA45S) made their way to the US? I know, I'm dreaming.

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The adoption of the CLAR platform also future-proofs the M2 by providing it with the basis for a 48V electrical architecture, which is crucial for such features as throttle-off engine idling, regenerative braking and the option of an electric boosting function.

The new M2 is expected to go without mild-hybrid electric boosting at launch. However, with BMW's M division already well advanced on such a system for the S58 engine, it could be incorporated during the car's planned seven-year life cycle.

Autocar sources suggest all future M models will eventually receive mild-hybrid technology as part of BMW's plans to lower its fleet average CO2 figure.

As with today's model, BMW plans to offer the new M2 with a six-speed manual gearbox and an electronically controlled Active M Differential. There will also be the option of an eight-speed torque-converter automatic gearbox, which would be crucial if the car is to receive a mild-hybrid system. This will replace the current M2's dual-clutch automatic, matching developments elsewhere in the BMW M range.

..."BMW M: a pure and undiluted driving experience."....
Switching from a dual-clutch auto to a standard 8 speed auto for the car to receive a hybrid system in the future.. "pure and undiluted driving experience".
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that hatchback render is incredible. Would absolutely consider... so sad we'll never see it here in the states.
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Old 03-09-2020, 11:23 AM   #6
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AWD, 4 door hatchback with 400+ hp? I'm sure it won't make it to the US or receive an option for a manual transmission, but I like the rendering and concept. Wouldn't it be nice if this 400+ hp hatchback and AMG's 415+ hp M139 (either in the A45S or GLA45S) made their way to the US? I know, I'm dreaming.
Wait, they're not going to sell the GLA45 over here anymore?
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Wait, they're not going to sell the GLA45 over here anymore?
We're still getting the GLA45.. it's just rumored that we won't receive the 416 hp S variant. The de-tuned, lower trim version receives 382 hp/354 lb-ft instead of 416 hp/369 lb-ft.
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Time to dump the M2 and wait for something new and exciting.
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We're still getting the GLA45.. it's just rumored that we won't receive the 416 hp S variant. The de-tuned, lower trim version receives 382 hp/354 lb-ft instead of 416 hp/369 lb-ft.
No loss if they drop it. It had the worst Turbo lag of any car I have ever had.

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No loss if they drop it. It had the worst Turbo lag of any car I have ever had.

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And you've owned a turbo EJ Subaru?

I think what you experienced is more transmission related (early cars biggest problem) vs. turbo lag.

That engine makes peak torque by 2300 RPMs. So it's much less laggy than an EJ, although not as punchy off idle as today's DI 2.0ls.

But you can't have damn near 400 bhp and instant response off idle in an engine this size. Seems like a decent tradeoff to me. The GLA45 was an absolute riot IMHO.
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And you've owned a turbo EJ Subaru?

I think what you experienced is more transmission related (early cars biggest problem) vs. turbo lag.

That engine makes peak torque by 2300 RPMs. So it's much less laggy than an EJ, although not as punchy off idle as today's DI 2.0ls.

But you can't have damn near 400 bhp and instant response off idle in an engine this size. Seems like a decent tradeoff to me. The GLA45 was an absolute riot IMHO.
Nope turbo lag and it wasn’t the DCT transmission causing it either.

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that hatchback render is incredible. Would absolutely consider... so sad we'll never see it here in the states.
Same. We like it a whole lot so that means it won't come here and even if it did no manual.
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Old 06-09-2021, 07:24 AM   #13
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The second-generation BMW M2 is shaping up to be a fitting final hurrah for fast rear-drive coupes, with the junior M car set to be both faster and better to drive than the current model.

According to an insider speaking to Autocar, the M2 drawn from the upcoming third-generation BMW 2 Series coupe will remain rear-wheel drive and will be based on a significantly updated version of the current car’s platform.
Developed under the G87 codename, the new 2022 BMW M2 will offer a “step up” in performance over the current model that in CS guise could smash the 0-100km/h sprint in just 4.0 seconds.

The extra shove will stem from BMW M’s move to drop the current M2’s outdated N55/S55 twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder engine for the S58 unit that powers the latest BMW M3 and M4.

Power has yet to be confirmed, but it’s believed that even the basic M2 will come with 306kW, while the fastest M2 Competition will get 321kW – just 37kW off the M3 and M4.
Torque, meanwhile, will peak at a thumping 580Nm even for the entry M2 – 30Nm more than the $147K M2 CS.

Factor in lighter weight and it’s thought the fastest version will easily dip below 4.0 seconds for the 0-100km/h sprint.

Despite some rumours it might come with all-wheel drive for the first time, Autocar says the second instalment of the M2 will be strictly rear-drive.
Like before, a manual six-speed will be an option alongside an eight-speed torque-converter automatic. The current, more sophisticated seven-speed dual-clutch auto has been dropped.

Helping maximise traction and performance on track, BMW M will equip its baby coupe with new chassis tech, including a drift mode that will work in tandem with a rear electronically-controlled mechanical limited-slip differential.
Helping sharpen responses, the next M2 CLAR platform boasts 40 per cent increased body rigidity compared to the previous model.

Significant re-engineering has also included creating a bespoke front suspension for the M2 that’s likely to feature a wider track than the standard 2 Series coupe and allow more adjustability and adaptive springs to be introduced.

Further strut braces front and rear have also been added. On the rear axle lives a significantly upgraded version of the current generation’s multi-link rear suspension.

There are no claims on weight-saving but the car-maker’s trademark 50:50 weight distribution has been maintained.

As far as styling goes, expect the current car’s overblown steroidal looks to carry over with wider front fenders and a bonnet with a power bulge to feature. A lower, wider kidney grille will also feature that includes trick new active cooling vents.

Large 20-inch rims will be standard, while the Competition versions are set to bag extra weight-saving measures that include a one-piece carbon-fibre roof.

As well as being sharper to drive, according to the insider the adoption of adaptive dampers should provide a greater divide between comfort and sport than the current model, although the M2 will remain a “driver’s car”.

Another change for the new M2 is it will switch from being produced exclusively at BMW’s Leipzig plant in Germany to run down the same Mexican production line as other 2 Series models.

It’s set to be revealed later this year ahead of first deliveries in 2022.


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Yea, nah, where's the rumored 5dr hatch? Also, an M car that is hecho en mexico no es bueno.
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M2 from Mexico, wild

Dying to see what it's gonna look like still.
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Would you buy an //M2 wagon over hatch for USA?
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No, would only want the coupe.
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VW GTI moves from Mexico to Germany. BMW M2 moves from Germany to Mexico. WTF?
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I would, but I'm an odd duck: Wagon>hatch>sedan>convertible>coupe.
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And you've owned a turbo EJ Subaru?

I think what you experienced is more transmission related (early cars biggest problem) vs. turbo lag.

That engine makes peak torque by 2300 RPMs. So it's much less laggy than an EJ, although not as punchy off idle as today's DI 2.0ls.

But you can't have damn near 400 bhp and instant response off idle in an engine this size. Seems like a decent tradeoff to me. The GLA45 was an absolute riot IMHO.
I think you're confusing boost threshold with lag.
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Not happy with next gen m2 being made in Mexico. But I also think I read the m2 was axed in certain parts of Europe so maybe it makes sense.
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Not happy with next gen m2 being made in Mexico. But I also think I read the m2 was axed in certain parts of Europe so maybe it makes sense.
If it means they can sell it for $45,000 it might be great. If it means that BMW gets to eat a fatter margin on an already expensive car... not so great.
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If it means they can sell it for $45,000 it might be great. If it means that BMW gets to eat a fatter margin on an already expensive car... not so great.
Not a chance in hell the M2 sells for starting at $45k. It will likely remain starting at $60k’ish and in my opinion, is appropriately priced. It’s also pretty easy to get 6%-10% discount on a new one. Came close to pulling the trigger on an M2C, dct, executive package for $65k.

I am bummed that the next gen M2 will likely come with the ZF8 trans. It’s a food trans but they dct was amazing.
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You can't even get a FWD Mini GP for that. If anything the M2 will be a $70's car because it will have standard adjustable suspension only the CS got. And that thing was $88k.

I would take a hatch M2 and a wagon M3 without the teefs thank.
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You can't even get a FWD Mini GP for that. If anything the M2 will be a $70's car because it will have standard adjustable suspension only the CS got. And that thing was $88k.

I would take a hatch M2 and a wagon M3 without the teefs thank.
A lot will depend on how much equipment will be in the base M2 vs the Competition version. I can't see any starting prices coming that close to a base M4 though. A base M2 with manual transmission will be the cheapest way to get into an S58 engine.
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