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Old 06-02-2021, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default 2022 Toyota GR 86 Revealed for U.S. with 228 HP, RWD, and a Manual

2022 Toyota GR 86 Revealed for U.S. with 228 HP, RWD, and a Manual

The latest version of the rear-drive sports car has a larger 2.4-liter flat-four and is once again nearly identical to the Subaru BRZ.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...r-86-us-specs/

2022 Toyota GR 86 gets more grunt as U.S. specs mostly revealed
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/06/02/...pecifications/


2022 Toyota GR 86: Engine Specs Revealed
Will 24 horsepower be enough to silence the critics?
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...pecs-revealed/
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Old 06-02-2021, 10:40 AM   #2
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I think I like it better than the new BRZ, but they both look "chubby" relative to the sleek previous gen.

On edit, this is interesting: Regardless of trim, the GR 86 gets a digital instrument display with different designs for different drive modes, an 8-inch touchscreen infotainment screen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, and a one-year membership to the National Auto Sport Association and a free High Performance Driving Experience.

That's the sort of thing that comes as an option on BMW M cars.
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:08 AM   #3
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From the autoblog article:

"...and a limited-slip differential is standard."

Nice. It's ridiculous that expensive RWD sports cars from certain German manufacturers come standard with open rear differentials. I'm looking at you, Porsche.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:35 PM   #4
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"Will 24 hp be enough to silence the critics" Nope. I'd rather have same HP output and a terb0 than 24 more HP and a still-existant torque dip (yes yes... it's lessened). Tunability is the name of the game unless the engine is a screamer like the f-series engines out of an s2000, and NA is expensive as **** to get more power out of. I'd be happy if it were easy to get 300hp aftermarket with boltons and a tune. That's not happening with a small 4 cyl NA platform that's only hitting 224hp.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:52 PM   #5
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"Will 24 hp be enough to silence the critics" Nope. I'd rather have same HP output and a terb0 than 24 more HP and a still-existant torque dip (yes yes... it's lessened). Tunability is the name of the game unless the engine is a screamer like the f-series engines out of an s2000, and NA is expensive as **** to get more power out of. I'd be happy if it were easy to get 300hp aftermarket with boltons and a tune. That's not happening with a small 4 cyl NA platform that's only hitting 224hp.
For a track car, NA>>turbo. More reliable, lighter, and lower running costs. This car isnít going to be great for everyone, but I think itís going to be great at its intended purpose.

Toyota should sponsor a NASA spec class racing series for this.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:53 PM   #6
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With bolt-ons and a tune people are getting about 200 WHP on the previous gen. I don't see why doing the same thing won't make people even happier now that they'll get over 225 WHP without FI. Could be closer to 235 WHP without too much aggressive tuning.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:59 PM   #7
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With bolt-ons and a tune people are getting about 200 WHP on the previous gen. I don't see why doing the same thing won't make people even happier now that they'll get over 225 WHP without FI. Could be closer to 235 WHP without too much aggressive tuning.
Itís never going to be fast, but at least itís not painfully slow anymore. If you want to autocross or HPDE a new car as cheaply as possible and need a backseat, I donít think there is a better choice.
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:34 PM   #8
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The looks are definitely an improvement. Not that the outgoing car was homely but it's been out for almost a decade and this looks cleaner and more modern.
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:35 PM   #9
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Itís never going to be fast, but at least itís not painfully slow anymore.
Since when is a 200chp car "painfully slow?!"

Y'all need to borrow my '86 Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon with a 68hp 3A-C engine. Even THAT thing can feel, well, "brisk" on the right road.

Old men getting jaded and forgetting their roots!
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Old 06-02-2021, 02:50 PM   #10
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Since when is a 200chp car "painfully slow?!"
Seriously though, people are so spoiled with modern cars... A sub 3000lbs car with 200hp was a "fast" car 30 years ago.

Hell our 250hp 4cyl 4000lbs Macan is plenty fast enough to get into trouble. Super easy to get over 100mph. You don't need crazy fast cars unless you are racing competitively.
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Old 06-02-2021, 03:02 PM   #11
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Since when is a 200chp car "painfully slow?!"

Y'all need to borrow my '86 Toyota Tercel 4WD wagon with a 68hp 3A-C engine. Even THAT thing can feel, well, "brisk" on the right road.

Old men getting jaded and forgetting their roots!
When it lacks torque all across the rev range and has a huge dip right where it should be peaking.

ďItís faster than a 1986 Toyota ****boxĒ isnít exactly a great endorsement.
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ďItís faster than a 1986 Toyota ****boxĒ isnít exactly a great endorsement.
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Old 06-02-2021, 03:25 PM   #13
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When it lacks torque all across the rev range and has a huge dip right where it should be peaking.

"It's faster than a 1986 Toyota ****box" isn't exactly a great endorsement.
"bUt iTs a tRaCk cAr!!1!1"
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Old 06-02-2021, 03:43 PM   #14
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IIRC, Toyota made kind of a fuss a little while back about not wanting to announce/reveal the 86 on the same day Subaru reveals the BRZ. While that's not unusual from a marketing perspective, they also supposedly said they wanted to delay the announcement because they wanted to differentiate it from the BRZ.

Now that they've officially announced it, I'd love to see exactly what they did to make it so different than the BRZ because as far as I can tell it's still the exact same drivetrain. And, just my opinion, but the BRZ looks better. I also thought the BRZ looked better for the first generation too, so Subaru is 2 for 2 in my book.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...aru-brz-delay/
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Old 06-02-2021, 04:20 PM   #15
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Supercharging is always an option; in fact, the current supercharger kits *might* just bolt on to FA24 as is (tuning/remapping notwithstanding).
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Old 06-02-2021, 04:28 PM   #16
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IIRC, Toyota made kind of a fuss a little while back about not wanting to announce/reveal the 86 on the same day Subaru reveals the BRZ. While that's not unusual from a marketing perspective, they also supposedly said they wanted to delay the announcement because they wanted to differentiate it from the BRZ.

Now that they've officially announced it, I'd love to see exactly what they did to make it so different than the BRZ because as far as I can tell it's still the exact same drivetrain. And, just my opinion, but the BRZ looks better. I also thought the BRZ looked better for the first generation too, so Subaru is 2 for 2 in my book.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...aru-brz-delay/
The grill on the 86 is a little too large, it looks out of place. I stand with you on this one, 2/2.
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Old 06-02-2021, 06:47 PM   #17
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The grill on the 86 is a little too large, it looks out of place. I stand with you on this one, 2/2.
Make it 3. I also think the new BRZ is maybe the best looking Subaru ever. Looks like a Japanese Cayman to me.
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So the GR86 got the signature duck lip spoiler for launch pics or is it standard?










BRZ didn't get it





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The GR86 looks fantastic in Red, that rear spoiler is a bit excessive though.
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Old 06-03-2021, 10:15 AM   #21
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I think i would really enjoy driving one of those. I will have to drop by and give it a spin.
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The GR86 looks fantastic in Red, that rear spoiler is a bit excessive though.
I agree. Itís both tall from the side and narrow from the front. I wonder if the most hipo BRZ will get a Type RA style wing?

Also, both of these in the low spec trim look like they ride too high.
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Old 06-03-2021, 11:22 AM   #23
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I agree. It's both tall from the side and narrow from the front. I wonder if the most hipo BRZ will get a Type RA style wing?

Also, both of these in the low spec trim look like they ride too high.
It does look tall, but that's nothing a decent set of coilovers can't fix and by that I don't mean BC racing. Probably best to test drive both variants. It is totally possible the GR86 has better suspension tuning over the BRZ.

Would have been epic if Toyota offered a Targa variant . This over the Miata RF .
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It does look tall, but that's nothing a decent set of coilovers can't fix and by that I don't mean BC racing. Probably best to test drive both variants. It is totally possible the GR86 has better suspension tuning over the BRZ.

Would have been epic if Toyota offered a Targa variant . This over the Miata RF .
I bet the more sporty sachs damper setup will ride a little lower. This is a pretty exciting little car.
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It looks like Toyota wanted to add some GR Supra styling cues with the duck bill spoiler add-on. In this case the BRZ looks more tasteful without it IMO.
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