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Old 06-03-2021, 12:10 PM   #26
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I like it. Not sure if I'd buy one, but at least it's a 2 door and has useless practicality. That's a plus for me. I think it looks good in red.
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Old 06-03-2021, 03:25 PM   #27
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Default 2022 Toyota GR 86 Revealed for U.S. with 228 HP, RWD, and a Manual

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Only the premium trim on the GR86 gets the spoiler. I personally donít like how much it kicks up. It seems like that canít be good for drag coefficient.

Otherwise, I do like the car quite a lot. I donít think my wife would want me to have another twin, but Iíll test drive it to see if they fixed some of the gen 1 issues (NVH of the engine and transmission, namely).
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Old 06-03-2021, 03:32 PM   #28
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Only the premium trim on the GR86 gets the spoiler.
Not doubting you, but where did you see this info?
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:20 PM   #29
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When it lacks torque all across the rev range and has a huge dip right where it should be peaking.

"It's faster than a 1986 Toyota ****box" isn't exactly a great endorsement.


The "It's too damn slow, whaaaaaa!" argument falls on deaf ears when one grew up in the >100 hp DD era. Now minivans are approaching 300 hp and I get it, nobody wants to get dusted by a Sienna at the stoplight drags... But FFS, 228 hp is more than enough for a car who's sole focus is handling. Your member number indicates you might not have existed this far back, but the new FA engine in the twins now officially makes more power than the original USDM WRX, which was damn quick in 2002, and it doesn't even have a turbocharger...

Maybe you should forward this memo to Mazda, I've heard their sportscar is underpowered as well...

Folks in this sub-forum need some damn perspective sometimes. #SMFH
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:25 PM   #30
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The "It's too damn slow, whaaaaaa!" argument falls on deaf ears when one grew up in the >100 hp DD era. Now minivans are approaching 300 hp and I get it, nobody wants to get dusted by a Sienna at the stoplight drags... But FFS, 228 hp is more than enough for a car who's sole focus is handling. Your member number indicates you might not have existed this far back, but the new FA engine in the twins now officially makes more power than the original USDM WRX, which was damn quick in 2002, and it doesn't even have a turbocharger...

Maybe you should forward this memo to Mazda, I've heard their sportscar is underpowered as well...

Folks in this sub-forum need some damn perspective sometimes. #SMFH
This car will cost more than the median US salary, so maybe it's you who should get into the year 2021.

FYI, the Miata is notably faster than a Gen 1 BRZ.
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:30 PM   #31
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The GR86 looks fantastic in Red, that rear spoiler is a bit excessive though.
I disagree but then I have big brother

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Old 06-03-2021, 04:42 PM   #32
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This car will cost more than the median US salary, so maybe it's you who should get into the year 2021.

FYI, the Miata is notably faster than a Gen 1 BRZ.
Sure, by about a second over a 1/4 mile. It also weighed several hundred lbs less than a Mk1 BRZ. What's your point?

Mazda/Subaru/Toyota clearly aren't building these cars with you in mind, go buy a pony car.
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:53 PM   #33
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How are there no youtube videos comparing the BRZ to a buggeye WRX?
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:44 PM   #34
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Not doubting you, but where did you see this info?

ďAvailable in two grades, GR 86 and GR 86 Premium, it will come in seven exterior color choices, including the aptly named Track bRED. The premium grade comes equipped with a rear duckbill spoiler, adding dynamic contours to the carís sporty feel.Ē

https://pressroom.toyota.com/drivers...all-new-gr-86/
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Old 06-03-2021, 09:34 PM   #35
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I like the looks more and more. I'm still disappointed there's not a STi/TRD version with a FI engine. But that's what the WrXSTI and Supra are for.
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Old 06-03-2021, 09:47 PM   #36
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Sure, by about a second over a 1/4 mile. It also weighed several hundred lbs less than a Mk1 BRZ. What's your point?

Mazda/Subaru/Toyota clearly aren't building these cars with you in mind, go buy a pony car.
My point is that your needless interjection about how itís reasonable for this car to be slow... is really stupid. Additionally, your inference that the Miata is similarly slow is... stupid. In short, your previous comment was stupid and pointless and this one was doubly so.

Is your misunderstanding now made clear?
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Old 06-03-2021, 09:48 PM   #37
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ďAvailable in two grades, GR 86 and GR 86 Premium, it will come in seven exterior color choices, including the aptly named Track bRED. The premium grade comes equipped with a rear duckbill spoiler, adding dynamic contours to the carís sporty feel.Ē

https://pressroom.toyota.com/drivers...all-new-gr-86/
Good info. Thanks. Iím glad theyíre offering with and without. Iím not sure that spoiler looks very good.
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Old 06-03-2021, 10:36 PM   #38
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Old 06-03-2021, 10:36 PM   #39
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Since we're on the topic of Miatas, Jason Cammisa of Hagerty did a video on the new BRZ comparing it to the Miata. Obviously not many people outside of Toyota/Subaru have actually driven it yet, but it seems that the torque dip has drastically been reduced compared to the first gen. Whether or not that'll be enough to make it feel less underpowered...who knows. But on paper, it looks better.


I do agree that the spoiler on the GR86 shown is too angled, the one on the BRZ looks much better IMO. Also, I'm just a sucker for some WRB.
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Old 06-04-2021, 08:26 AM   #40
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Good info. Thanks. Iím glad theyíre offering with and without. Iím not sure that spoiler looks very good.

Iíll have to see it in person. I watched a video last night where the car was white with the spoiler and I quite liked it. Iíve seen press photos with the car in red and the spoiler was really off putting.
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:35 AM   #41
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I like the spoiler, that drivers front 3/4 shot makes it look almost vertical, but the other shots do it justice.

I've said it before, for me, I don't think the NA 2.4L is going to be enough; honestly a pony car would suit my wants/needs more, but I hate the compromises either package makes you live with. You want power? have a nearly 4klb grand tourer with a sledge hammer under the hood, you want light weight? have an anemic engine; a BRZ/86 with a turbo OR SUPER CHARGER would fit right in that sweet spot, light weight with decent power 1hp:10lbs (and at least a 1lbft:10lb ratio) is my target.

A Fox mustang @ 3,100lbs with 225hp/300lbft felt pretty good in the 90's, mainly because of the torque figure, and significantly more raw experience than cars of today, but that car felt absolutely stellar @ 3,000lbs with 300whp and supporting mods (steeper gears, chassis stiffening, suspension, brakes, REALLY GOOD TIRES).

I don't want to buy a new car and have to mod the heck out of it though, I want something that feels good out of the box, I'm not a teenager anymore, time is a commodity I do not have in excess. If I'm going to have to mod the heck out of something, I'll go older; easier to work on, cheaper*, better driving experience (albeit with lower handling limits, and that's fine).

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Old 06-04-2021, 10:32 AM   #42
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I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying. However coupes have been a dying breed, just like the family sedans. Accord Coupe gone, Civic Coupe gone, S2000 gone, Altima Coupe (BARF) gone, Solara Coupe (BARF) gone. What you got left? Miata RF, BMW 4 Audi A5, MB Coupes. Yeah a turbo would be fantastic in this coupe but you take what you can get. Yes, it sucks but this is the reality now. Hey, at least this is a drivers car. When it comes out go test drive one, I will be. Can't think about "modding it" if you don't even know how it drives.

Ahh yes, the beloved Fox body mustang. TOrQUe was bonkers on that car indeed. I had mine setup up with headers/exhaust/K&N filter and some basic timing adjustments. Everything else was suspension/suspension/suspension. I learned how to drive in every season in that thing. You know when the say "your spine tells you what the rear end is doing or is about to do..." yeah nothing like a high torque motor to teach you driving on ramps/exit ramps in the rain, or how to drive in the snow with summer tires DOH! I always wanted a 1993 Cobra, SIGH! Every kid should have a RWD (in stick of course) car like that, teaches you car dynamics and control.
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Old 06-04-2021, 10:57 AM   #43
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I really think the looks of the cars are quite different. I think they satisfy a nice swath of the coupe market. Both the BRZ and the GR86 would make me happy to own and drive and I bet they are nothing but smile inducing fun cars to own. the 86 has has a very conservative look to it and I like it. The BRZ has a more dynamic styling and I like it as well. I think both brands did very well.

I find absolutely nothing to complain about. In a world of auto driving this and EV that, these are not that, and I have to shut up and just smile and say, this is the kind of car that we should enjoy while we can. These analog interactive machines will not be around much longer.
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Old 06-04-2021, 12:42 PM   #44
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Old 06-04-2021, 12:58 PM   #45
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The only way to get good power to weight ratio and not be either stupid expensive or really heavy is with a Bike IMO. Even my retro R9T is 1hp:4.41lbs and you can easily get bikes 1hp:2.5lbs.

Yes apples to cheese steaks but there just aren't powerful, light and affordable sports cars.
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The only way to get good power to weight ratio and not be either stupid expensive or really heavy is with a Bike IMO. Even my retro R9T is 1hp:4.41lbs and you can easily get bikes 1hp:2.5lbs.

Yes apples to cheese steaks but there just aren't powerful, light and affordable sports cars.
"Affordable" is relative, but if the upcoming 400z can stay around 3,200-3,300lbs it will be a decent option; I'd still prefer something lighter, but at least it's not knocking on the 2-ton door like Pony cars - GT/Mach 1 & 1SS/2SS are 3,700+ in manual coupe form, Challenger is 4,200+. BRZ/86 are in the 2,800-2,900lb territory, Miata in the 2,300-2,400lb territory - I'd like the lighter cars to have more power, or the cars with more power to be lighter.

Edit: Comparing motorcycles to cars is very much apples to cheese steaks; I'm off bikes on public roads for the next 17.5 years+/- but used to 2-wheel it 8/9 months out of the year, rain or shine - definitely cheap speed and thrills, and made even the quickest cars feel slow by comparison.

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"Affordable" is relative, but if the upcoming 400z can stay around 3,200-3,300lbs it will be a decent option; I'd still prefer something lighter, but at least it's not knocking on the 2-ton door like Pony cars - GT/Mach 1 & 1SS/2SS are 3,700+ in manual coupe form, Challenger is 4,200+. BRZ/86 are in the 2,800-2,900lb territory, Miata in the 2,300-2,400lb territory - I'd like the lighter cars to have more power, or the cars with more power to be lighter.

Edit: Comparing motorcycles to cars is very much apples to cheese steaks; I'm off bikes on public roads for the next 17.5 years+/- but used to 2-wheel it 8/9 months out of the year, rain or shine - definitely cheap speed and thrills, and made even the quickest cars feel slow by comparison.
Agreed 2 wheels wasn't an option for me again until recently. I'll be curious to see how the "400z" pans out.
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Sounds good, looks like it's got pretty good speed.
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That white one looks good in the video. The spoiler doesn't even look bad.
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