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Old 10-17-2018, 07:28 AM   #26
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you can t hurt the paint like you state with a DA polisher. but then just skip the polish if it s 2019. shouldn't t have anything needing correcting, unless you see a mark or something.What product to use is a long rabbit trail with many opinions.
If you are very inexperienced you may even have issues putting the CQuatz down properly. Watch some vid s first.
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:58 PM   #27
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Anyone heard of or had any experience with this product?

GYEON Quartz Q Syncro 50ml 9h Professional Ceramic Coating Kit

$180 on Amazon.

My PPF guy told me he just tried it and likes it.

He also said you had to buy this for about $15 on Amazon

Gyeon QM PREP Degreasing Product before Car Ceramic Coating for all surfaces

Is this stuff really better than the older, cheaper polymer sealants like the Car Guys, Zaino or Meguiars?

I understand about claying a car, and have done so, and about polishing, but only done that by hand and do not have DA orbital. I am deathly afraid of really taking the finish off because I have never used one, and heard horror stories about metal creases have the paint taken right off.
a few things
1) a 2019 may only have a bit of scratching, but it very well could have some swirls and stuff. if you do put on a ceramic coat, it does lock things in. I would do a light polish on the car prior to ceramic coating.

2) polishing by hand is OK, but likely a bit more risky than using a DA machine. you can put a lot of force in 1 spot by hand, especially if you're using compound.

3) ceramic coating is better than the sealants. Its more durable, lasts longer, had better sheeting/beading properties. How much better and how long it lasts are both up for debate and depends on actual conditions on how you keep your car. Generally speaking most of these are like 18-24 month coatings, vs 4-6 for waxes and sealants.

4) I applied CQuartz to my wife's 2012 Honda Odyssey and I applied Gyeon Syncro to my 2018 Forester XT. I like both coatings.
I did the CQuartz first. The whole process was a lot of work. The van is big. The condition was good, but
I wanted to polish it close to perfect before sealing it in. I was trying my best to get it as clean as possible and was worried I'd be doing it incorrectly. It came out great.

For my new Forester I decided since I was investing a lot of time and it was a new car, I researched more and more and decided that the Gyeon Syncro was the "better" product and splurged for the cost. I even bought the Primer Polish to try. I didn't like the Primer polish, it was not cooperating with the Subaru paint and I went back to my Mcquires Ultimate Polish. I also did't have as much dedicated time, so I worked on it at night after the kids went to bed (I had another car to drive, so this was in my garage) I was working on it from 9-12 for 4 nights during the week plus did the wash and clay on the sunday. Polishing got done, but took a while since i wasn't doing it in the sun and had the issues with the Primer polish, I ended up redoing half the car. The Syncro took longer. Its 2 coats of Mohs coating and 1 coat of the Skin coating. It was slightly easier to apply per coat than the CQuartz, but required 3 coats total with either an hour or 24 between coats.

The Syncro results are fantastic. water beading like I've never seen before. very very slick. I dry the car 95% with a leaf blower.

Given the time, I'm not sure which one I'd do again. I do like the results.
Honestly if you compare the workload... you have to wash, clay and polish teh car if you're going to do a normal sealant. For a ceramic coat there is an extra wipe down step, followed by the ceramic coat. Ceramic coating is actually easier than waxing/sealant application on a coat by coat basis. The extra work for me I think is that there is more pressure to get it perfect before application. With wax, sometimes I did an all in 1, or polished until I was OK or tired, then apply the wax, figuring it was good enough.

If you don't have a family and you have free time to detail, I'd say go for it, its only time and money and realistically not crazy crazy money.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:18 PM   #28
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a few things
1) a 2019 may only have a bit of scratching, but it very well could have some swirls and stuff. if you do put on a ceramic coat, it does lock things in. I would do a light polish on the car prior to ceramic coating.

2) polishing by hand is OK, but likely a bit more risky than using a DA machine. you can put a lot of force in 1 spot by hand, especially if you're using compound.

3) ceramic coating is better than the sealants. Its more durable, lasts longer, had better sheeting/beading properties. How much better and how long it lasts are both up for debate and depends on actual conditions on how you keep your car. Generally speaking most of these are like 18-24 month coatings, vs 4-6 for waxes and sealants.

4) I applied CQuartz to my wife's 2012 Honda Odyssey and I applied Gyeon Syncro to my 2018 Forester XT. I like both coatings.
I did the CQuartz first. The whole process was a lot of work. The van is big. The condition was good, but
I wanted to polish it close to perfect before sealing it in. I was trying my best to get it as clean as possible and was worried I'd be doing it incorrectly. It came out great.

For my new Forester I decided since I was investing a lot of time and it was a new car, I researched more and more and decided that the Gyeon Syncro was the "better" product and splurged for the cost. I even bought the Primer Polish to try. I didn't like the Primer polish, it was not cooperating with the Subaru paint and I went back to my Mcquires Ultimate Polish. I also did't have as much dedicated time, so I worked on it at night after the kids went to bed (I had another car to drive, so this was in my garage) I was working on it from 9-12 for 4 nights during the week plus did the wash and clay on the sunday. Polishing got done, but took a while since i wasn't doing it in the sun and had the issues with the Primer polish, I ended up redoing half the car. The Syncro took longer. Its 2 coats of Mohs coating and 1 coat of the Skin coating. It was slightly easier to apply per coat than the CQuartz, but required 3 coats total with either an hour or 24 between coats.

The Syncro results are fantastic. water beading like I've never seen before. very very slick. I dry the car 95% with a leaf blower.

Given the time, I'm not sure which one I'd do again. I do like the results.
Honestly if you compare the workload... you have to wash, clay and polish teh car if you're going to do a normal sealant. For a ceramic coat there is an extra wipe down step, followed by the ceramic coat. Ceramic coating is actually easier than waxing/sealant application on a coat by coat basis. The extra work for me I think is that there is more pressure to get it perfect before application. With wax, sometimes I did an all in 1, or polished until I was OK or tired, then apply the wax, figuring it was good enough.

If you don't have a family and you have free time to detail, I'd say go for it, its only time and money and realistically not crazy crazy money.
Thanks. It is going to be a chore for sure. New job, Autumn leaves, colder weather and no spare car means a rough road to completion
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:10 PM   #29
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I did my first Ceramic Coating this past weekend. 2015 Sonata Sport (the wifes). Hadn't been polished since it was new in 2015, standard maintenance washes. Last wax was around 12 months ago.

Gave the car a proper wash, polished out all the paint with Meguiar's #83 Dual Action Cleaner and Polish on a Porter Cable polisher and a Meguiar's Foam Cutting pad. Wiped down all the painted surfaces with IPA. No pics during, because the car was in decent shape. I spent the most time getting out those tiny fallout rust spots on the rear and behind the wheels, along with some dried on tar chunks. Used a plastic razorblade and the DACP by hand using a MF towel to buff the spots out. Clay doesn't get them out.

Purchased a Cquartz UK 3.0 kit on Amazon that included the Reload spray.



Temps in Chicagoland were slightly above the bottom for the acceptable range on the bottle (40 degrees), so I had read about putting the bottle in a glass with warm water, so I did that.





After washing and buffing all the paint, starting on the ceramic coating. The top right corner of paint had the coating leveled and was curing for the 1-2 minutes before being wiped off. A little hard to see on a silver car, but I think I got it all.







Because the Sonata Sport has a panoramic glass roof, I didn't end up using very much of the Cquartz. Here's what's left of the bottle
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Old 10-30-2018, 02:00 PM   #30
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holy, you barely touched that bottle and could do 4 more cars! I feel better about coating my 2019 WRX and Wifes 2019 Forester and still having ~1 centimeter left in the bottle.
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Old 10-30-2018, 02:24 PM   #31
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holy, you barely touched that bottle and could do 4 more cars! I feel better about coating my 2019 WRX and Wifes 2019 Forester and still having ~1 centimeter left in the bottle.
Yeah, I started out being very sparing with the line of coating on the cloth, towards the end I was a little more liberal with it and spilled a few drops, so I started treating it like liquid gold.

Also, since the Sonata had an all glass roof, that's alot of surface area that I didn't have to touch.
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