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Old 06-13-2018, 12:00 PM   #51
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honest question to the Subaru people on here that don't have kids; would you prefer to shell out 35-45k on a mustang GT or 27k-45k on a wrx or STi? I know my answer (assuming I didn't have kids) but I'm curious to yours.


Out of those two I prefer the looks of the Mustang, but I'd probably go with an SS over both lol.
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:06 PM   #52
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I'm with you on just about every point you made; notably I do not have a bike in the garage anymore though (because kids) and I need four doors for my daily. Cars are heavy now; I've been wrenching on my 66 lately and I really enjoy it, doesn't feel like a chore. Looking at picking up some other old iron to semi-daily keep more basic/user friendly/cruise-able, but I need that safety cage for the kids in a daily, so it's FoRS or Chevy SS; ATS-V would cover the bill, but I won't pay that for a 4-door turbo-6 Camaro; if it were an LS different story, and I'd throw roof racks and a tow bar on it to boot. Expanding the fleet is key though.

Meh, I'm still looking for a drivers car in a world that doesn't want to drive.

If sedanigans don't bother you, find a Chevy SS. I did a quick search on autotrader for new and certified 2017's and there are a number of 2017 certified(s) out there. They are mostly slushboxes though. I found one new one left, manual trans, white exterior.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...elCode1=CHEVSS

But you are right about finding a drivers car in a world that has gone full tard. It's tough. I was prepared to wait a few more years but I knew ADAS would become standard and grabbed what I thought was the best option, and it surpassed expectations. People are grabbing up 2017's RS's for deals man. I got $1400 under invoice and I'm seeing people best that by a few k a year later. RS2 package for 35k and such. Base models into the low 30's. Slim pickens indeed but I'd grab something before the dance is over. Battery packs and nannies are about to infiltrate the enthusiast section. CAFE and European regs gonna hit hard. Most are world cars now that the manus want/have to sell in multiple countries. I think the Pony car/Camaro competition will remain for a long time, with manuals to boot, but everything else it's a hard dice roll and you don't want snake eyes. You better S or get off the pot quick. I will tell you if the EVO FE had rear fold down seats and a 6spd manual it'd be in the garage now but I'm pretty happy with how things turned out. Definitely the toughest buy (getting over the domestic hump) of my car buying life. Seeing MSRP's going where they are I'm damn happy I pulled a trigger. Once all the new "tech" goes into them, the MSRP's are gonna get even more stupid.

Other option is order a 2019 STI with the new bottom end and stronger pistons.

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Old 06-13-2018, 02:26 PM   #53
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Pre buddy dance is never over. Buy vintage... you will get an even better driving experience than any new car can give. Connected and raw is the norm for sports cars of the 60's and 70's.

Just saying, the holy grail of driving is waiting in a garage somewhere for those who can turn a wrench.

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Old 06-13-2018, 03:43 PM   #54
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Pre and scraps, you guys really hit the nail on the head. I really wish my state would loosen its choke hold on smog for cars over 25 years of age. I really love stuff from the 80's and 90's, but anything newer than 1975 in Cali requires smog. Pre '75 cars are a bit more expensive here. But I guess I can always buy out of state.


The Camaro is a very likeable car, but the styling isn't something I'd like to be seen in, cast a lot of stereotype as well. The Mustang looks great, and doesn't make you like you might have a bunch of empty Muscle Milk cartons on the floorboards. I'd still take the GT over the Subi sedans.
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:40 PM   #55
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Pre buddy dance is never over. Buy vintage... you will get an even better driving experience than any new car can give. Connected and raw is the norm for sports cars of the 60's and 70's.

Just saying, the holy grail of driving is waiting in a garage somewhere for those who can turn a wrench.

I owned a NSX and a S2000. Both were pure cars, at least to me. The NSX I didn't have very long (Flipped it after fixing snap ring and got paid $$$), the S2k I had a few years.

My fleet is almost complete. As soon as you sell me that RL in a few years I'm done save for one more vehicle purchase until I'm dead (daily driver).
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I owned a NSX and a S2000. Both were pure cars, at least to me. The NSX I didn't have very long (Flipped it after fixing snap ring and got paid $$$), the S2k I had a few years.

My fleet is almost complete. As soon as you sell me that RL in a few years I'm done save for one more vehicle purchase until I'm dead (daily driver).
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:50 AM   #57
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The Jaguar XK120. Harley Earl Fell in love with his, and decided GM needed a copy of it. Heck the internal code names were X-121 and EX-122.
Kind of, it was more of an American take on the British sports car. It was never small, nimble and light like the Jaguar XK120. A modern comparison of the blue flame straight 6 powerglide 53-55 Corvette vs the 50's British Sport cars, would an automatic 6 cylinder Mustang/Camaro today with a MT BRZ or Miata. Two completely different segment cars.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:10 AM   #58
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honest question to the Subaru people on here that don't have kids; would you prefer to shell out 35-45k on a mustang GT or 27k-45k on a wrx or STi? I know my answer (assuming I didn't have kids) but I'm curious to yours.
I would buy a WRX at those price points. I employ a 2 car model. Daily driver and 2nd summer go fast vehicle (and sometimes 3rd SUV/Truck tow vehicle). The $45k Mustang fits in no mans land. It isn't fast enough for me as a go fast car, but being RWD I don't want to drive it in the snow. If I had one, I would need beater (3rd or 4th vehicle) to drive in the winter and IMO the Mustang GT has more HP than I need for a daily driver. For my next go fast car, the supercharged V8 muscle cars are next up on my list, so I don't have any problems with high powered RWD V8's as nice weather summer toy, just not my daily driver.
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With minimum investment, the mustang GT can have as much power as nearly anything on the road. ~800 hp on stock internals with a whipple. Now that they offer the magnaride as an option you dont even need to do a suspension. Pretty fast for the money.

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I would buy a WRX at those price points. I employ a 2 car model. Daily driver and 2nd summer go fast vehicle (and sometimes 3rd SUV/Truck tow vehicle). The $45k Mustang fits in no mans land. It isn't fast enough for me as a go fast car, but being RWD I don't want to drive it in the snow. If I had one, I would need beater (3rd or 4th vehicle) to drive in the winter and IMO the Mustang GT has more HP than I need for a daily driver. For my next go fast car, the supercharged V8 muscle cars are next up on my list, so I don't have any problems with high powered RWD V8's as nice weather summer toy, just not my daily driver.
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It isn't fast enough for me as a go fast car...
How fast do you want to go? The new GT is almost as fast the GT350, which is has too much power for the street (I owned one). Like jimmi mentioned, it's not hard to crank up the GT to ludicrous levels of power.

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Ditto. The NSX was fantastic, but got too much attention for my tastes and I was always worried about it getting scratched, dented, etc. Like you, I sold it for more than I paid. I miss the S2K more and I'm always on the lookout for one. Prices have increased, so I'll likely not buy another one, which is fine because it gives me more time to save up for a Boxster GTS or CPO Carrera T.
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honest question to the Subaru people on here that don't have kids; would you prefer to shell out 35-45k on a mustang GT or 27k-45k on a wrx or STi? I know my answer (assuming I didn't have kids) but I'm curious to yours.
I answered that question 7 years ago when I bought a Mustang. That Coyote engine is a beautiful piece of work and there is nothing like feeling the rear end move around when you step on the gas, hood lifting up to the horizon, car torquing over, throaty V8 roaring. Damn I miss my Mustang.

Granted, I still had my old WRX wagon for a second car.
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That Coyote engine is a beautiful piece of work and there is nothing like feeling the rear end move around when you step on the gas, hood lifting up to the horizon, car torquing over, throaty V8 roaring.
Yes, that hood loves lifting up to the horizon when going full Coyote.

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With minimum investment, the mustang GT can have as much power as nearly anything on the road. ~800 hp on stock internals with a whipple.
I have already done a full out built engine, heads, cam, turbo, custom tune ect and aftermarket SC V8 builds. I don't trust anyone with my cars, so I do 99% of my own work. I know from experience most mods even many bolt ons have some compromises. I am 45 years old and I am getting tired of being the mechanic and learning curve of being the expert of the build. I want to clean it, get in drive and enjoy the car. Manufacturers make a car as fast as I want, so I would rather just buy a factory supercharged example. I would just keep it stock and/or just do simple mods. They seem a lot more reliable that way and hold their value better.

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I answered that question 7 years ago when I bought a Mustang. That Coyote engine is a beautiful piece of work and there is nothing like feeling the rear end move around when you step on the gas, hood lifting up to the horizon, car torquing over, throaty V8 roaring. Damn I miss my Mustang.

Granted, I still had my old WRX wagon for a second car.
Yeah I was looking at the RS3 and CLA 45 AMG but at the end of the day I went with the M2 because even the best AWD systems can't replicate the fun factor of RWD and it was something I have been missing since my 2012 Mustang GT.
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You dont have to do all that to the Coyote. You originally said the Mustang was in "no man's land" because it wasn't fast enough and i disagree with that. $4500 investment and it is in rarified air. Kits arevessentually bolt on with plug and play tunes.

I wanted one I wouldnt be tempted or feel I wanted to modify which is why I bought the GT350. If I was really wanting to push the limits I would have looked at a GT with the intention of power, brakes and suspension. Cost of of that is actually more than the GT 350 which I figured would retain more value long term so that (and not wanting to go through the effort) drove the choice.

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I have already done a full out built engine, heads, cam, turbo, custom tune ect and aftermarket SC V8 builds. I don't trust anyone with my cars, so I do 99% of my own work. I know from experience most mods even many bolt ons have some compromises. I am 45 years old and I am getting tired of being the mechanic and learning curve of being the expert of the build. I want to clean it, get in drive and enjoy the car. Manufacturers make a car as fast as I want, so I would rather just buy a factory supercharged example. I would just keep it stock and/or just do simple mods. They seem a lot more reliable that way and hold their value better.

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You dont have to do all that to the Coyote. You originally said the Mustang was in "no man's land" because it wasn't fast enough and i disagree with that. $4500 investment and it is in rarified air. Kits are essentially bolt on with plug and play tunes.
I meant 'no man's land' for me (SS Camaro, non SC Corvette, SRT8, CTS-V, ATS-V fall in the same category). My Legacy runs mid 13's 1/4 miles and I feel that is a fun daily driver and I have no desire to make it faster. My go fast car runs 11.5's with the boost turned down a few psi, because I don't want to install a roll bar (My 1/4 track is a stickler on roll bars). A Mustang GT or GT350 is faster than I want for a daily but they aren't going to run mid 11's with simple bolt ons. I am not doing an aftermarket SC for the reasons I mentioned before. Also I prefer to buy a car this time that runs 11.5 or better stock to get around the NHRA roll bar rules. Ultimately I would be happy with a vehicle that runs low 11's/high 10's. I am not looking to have the fastest car around, I just find 11 sec capable vehicles exhilarating to drive.

Much like your justification for the GT350 over regular Mustang GT, I want something I am not going to do much tinkering around with. I just want something a little faster than a GT350 and fortunately I can buy those.
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I meant 'no man's land' for me (SS Camaro, non SC Corvette, SRT8, CTS-V, ATS-V fall in the same category). My Legacy runs mid 13's 1/4 miles and I feel that is a fun daily driver and I have no desire to make it faster. My go fast car runs 11.5's with the boost turned down a few psi, because I don't want to install a roll bar (My 1/4 track is a stickler on roll bars). A Mustang GT or GT350 is faster than I want for a daily but they aren't going to run mid 11's with simple bolt ons. I am not doing an aftermarket SC for the reasons I mentioned before. Also I prefer to buy a car this time that runs 11.5 or better stock to get around the NHRA roll bar rules. Ultimately I would be happy with a vehicle that runs low 11's/high 10's. I am not looking to have the fastest car around, I just find 11 sec capable vehicles exhilarating to drive.

Much like your justification for the GT350 over regular Mustang GT, I want something I am not going to do much tinkering around with. I just want something a little faster than a GT350 and fortunately I can buy those.
Stock 2018 GT's with the 10spd auto on street rubber (and a prepped surface) are dipping into the 11's (granted 11.8's and 11.9's) stock 2018's with the 6spd are in the low 12's. Throw a set of drag radials on and play or do some minor bolt on's and the 6spd will be in the 11's as well.

but hey, everyone is going to buy what they are going to buy, and if it doesn't make your shifter tingle, it's numbers won't either.
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Factory warrantied performance packs add HP and redline with OEM parts and tunes...
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I am amazed at the GT's stock redline (considering every review on the GT350 boasts about the 8,250rpm limit).
For the drag enthusiasts, it looks like the gear spacing down low is close ratio in the 10-speed.
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honest question to the Subaru people on here that don't have kids; would you prefer to shell out 35-45k on a mustang GT or 27k-45k on a wrx or STi? I know my answer (assuming I didn't have kids) but I'm curious to yours.
Camaro SS or Mustang GT. I haven't driven either of the new generations so that would be the determining factor between the two.

That's a hard question though because I have a GTI right now and it's a ball to drive, despite being much slower. I rather like not having to spend $250+/month on gas. At that price point(~$40kish), I'd also give the Golf R a hard look, even if it is much slower.

But if we're talking performance and only performance, and practicality is out of the equation, yeah, one of the mullet mobiles. A base model GT with the supercharger installed would be right around $40kish and there isn't much that's faster out there.
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