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Old 10-25-2017, 03:24 PM   #51
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I don't think eric is accusing you of fudging anything, he's simply stating DynoJets tend to read higher than Mustang Dynos (usually 10-15%). I don't think you'll find many people to argue against that.

From what I remember on your stock dyno plot the car looked like it pulled a ton of timing, not exactly a great baseline.

Majority of the Dyno plots we've seen here are Mustang dyno, more than likely their 310whp is more than your 310whp on the streets. Like you said numbers don't matter, so not sure why you're getting upset.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:26 PM   #52
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I guess I read it wrong For some reason, I thought I was being accused of creating false info, which is never my intent. My bad guys...



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I don't think eric is accusing you of fudging anything, he's simply stating DynoJets tend to read higher than Mustang Dynos (usually 10-15%). I don't think you'll find many people to argue against that.

From what I remember on your stock dyno plot the car looked like it pulled a ton of timing, not exactly a great baseline.

Majority of the Dyno plots we've seen here are Mustang dyno, more than likely their 310whp is more than your 310whp on the streets. Like you said numbers don't matter, so not sure why you're getting upset.

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Old 10-25-2017, 03:58 PM   #53
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I guess I read it wrong For some reason, I thought I was being accused of creating false info, which is never my intent. My bad guys...



Not my intention. Glarry hit it on the head.

If anything you’ve been one of the most transparent people around here and certainly was not implying you weren’t being factual.
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:11 PM   #54
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Yep, totally understand man.

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Not my intention. Glarry hit it on the head.

If anything you’ve been one of the most transparent people around here and certainly was not implying you weren’t being factual.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:09 PM   #55
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Results look good! Can you post the stock baseline dyno in this thread so we can see the comparison vs stock?
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:46 AM   #56
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Darn it Ian, now I'm going to have to pay my protuner to tune my E30 track map.
Other than the obvious peak to peak difference in horsepower. E30 makes a dramatic difference from 5800-6500+ RPM. On track the difference can't be put to words.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:49 AM   #57
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Here you go!



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Results look good! Can you post the stock baseline dyno in this thread so we can see the comparison vs stock?
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:56 AM   #58
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Sign me up if you offer a flex fuel kit and a e30 tune package!
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:49 AM   #59
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That chart looks nice. Have you guys found y'all's 5 tester for this project?
This looks fun 😋
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:54 AM   #60
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We sure have. Tunes should be dropping next week!

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Old 01-11-2018, 11:31 PM   #61
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Tunes like available to the consumer...
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:19 AM   #62
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That is correct.

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So a new tuned VW GTI Stg2 on E30 is putting out more torque and almost as much HP as WRX Stg2 on E30? Damn. That GTI must be a beast. I wonder if the FWD can put down the traction?

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Old 01-12-2018, 03:07 PM   #64
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So a new tuned VW GTI Stg2 on E30 is putting out more torque and almost as much HP as WRX Stg2 on E30? Damn. That GTI must be a beast. I wonder if the FWD can put down the traction?
Why wouldn't it ? They are underrated from the factory and FWD suffers less parasitic loss than full time AWD. The GTI makes a little less power than the WRX out of the box. Don't let the crank numbers fool you. The GTI is also about 200 lbs lighter but even with the LSD you will see traction issues, this is where the WRX is king. On the other hand, the GTI will trap higher and have an advantage in the higher gears. You can also make more torque down low with the TSI engine without worrying about throwing a rod and their ECU system is a lot more advanced. You can even stack JB with tunes. Main issues are glass clutches so the DSG is sadly the better route here and the IS20 turbo likes to randomly grenade itself. Dealers also TD1 flag them if a tune is detected and will likely deny warranty coverage if catastrophic failure occurs. Overall an excellent platform if you are willing to go with DSG and invest in some sticky rubber.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:32 PM   #65
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Why wouldn't it ? They are underrated from the factory and FWD suffers less parasitic loss than full time AWD. The GTI makes a little less power than the WRX out of the box. Don't let the crank numbers fool you. The GTI is also about 200 lbs lighter but even with the LSD you will see traction issues, this is where the WRX is king. On the other hand, the GTI will trap higher and have an advantage in the higher gears. You can also make more torque down low with the TSI engine without worrying about throwing a rod and their ECU system is a lot more advanced. You can even stack JB with tunes. Main issues are glass clutches so the DSG is sadly the better route here and the IS20 turbo likes to randomly grenade itself. Dealers also TD1 flag them if a tune is detected and will likely deny warranty coverage if catastrophic failure occurs. Overall an excellent platform if you are willing to go with DSG and invest in some sticky rubber.
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Why wouldn't it?

Because FWD drive cars are notorious for torque steering and spinning tires off the line while going nowhere.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:34 AM   #67
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Why wouldn't it?

Because FWD drive cars are notorious for torque steering and spinning tires off the line while going nowhere.
My response was more directed at the stage 2 power level comments. As far as the traction, outside of the S models, the GTI comes equipped with a very clever VAQ "LSD" system. Obviously you can't beat physics and traction will still be an issue with the amount of torque gains from a tune but nevertheless the diff helps a lot.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:47 PM   #68
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Had a Stage 2 2015 GTI, yes to torque monster, no to traction.

Also when the engine went belly up VW techs had no idea how to fix it.
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Back on topic, is the FF kit absolutely required for these new tunes ?
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:53 PM   #70
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You will need a way to reliably measure Ethanol content, so I would think so.
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You will need a way to reliably measure Ethanol content, so I would think so.


There are pretty easy ways to measure E content without needing a FF kit
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Here's a calculator. If you're not running a tune that adjusts based on ethanol content and it's static on E-30 there is no reason you can't handle doing the mixture yourself. If I understand MAP correctly the FF kit shouldn't be necessary. It looks like they're trying to offer a cheaper alternative to take advantage of ethanol.

http://ethanol.ignitelabs.net/
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:18 PM   #73
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That's great, if you know the E content of the gas pump, which can vary quite widely sometimes.

If you're running flex fuel and you only get E20 the car can adjust, I'm not so sure if that's the case without the FF setup. But I don't know.

MAP?
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:18 AM   #74
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There are pretty easy ways to measure E content without needing a FF kit
Yes there are. But easy to you and me isn't easy for everyone else.

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Here's a calculator. If you're not running a tune that adjusts based on ethanol content and it's static on E-30 there is no reason you can't handle doing the mixture yourself. If I understand MAP correctly the FF kit shouldn't be necessary. It looks like they're trying to offer a cheaper alternative to take advantage of ethanol.

http://ethanol.ignitelabs.net/
From earlier conversations the tunes are supposed to be FTCL. So there shouldn't be much concern unless the mix is too low and induces knock. Aim high is my only recommendation.

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That's great, if you know the E content of the gas pump, which can vary quite widely sometimes.

If you're running flex fuel and you only get E20 the car can adjust, I'm not so sure if that's the case without the FF setup. But I don't know.

MAP?
Fueling will be adjusted to the target. Won't be an issue unless the target is too lean for the mix. However timing will not. So the only inherent risk is if the mixture is indeed too low.

Bottom line.... If you don't have flex you need to be testing yourself.
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Whoa Eric congrats on the CTR! I hope you stick around here because I am not done with tuning and I need you to review my logs .
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