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Old 10-19-2018, 02:04 AM   #1
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Default Bought a BRZ, admitting I'm wrong and want a 2015+ WRX. A few questions

I'm looking at moving from my BRZ into a WRX. I have a second child on the way, and while I don't mind putting 1 car seat in the back of the BRZ on occasion, 2 just won't work.

I'm currently looking at a 2018 CPO with 16k miles. Unfortunately the carfax doesn't show any oil changes. Currently priced at $25.8k with the 7 year / 100k mile warranty.

Being slightly concerned about the no maintenance history, I looked at new ones. Looks like it's certainly not difficult to get a brand new 2018 for around that price, and a 2019 for not much more. Base models, obviously without the extended warranty.

2016's with around 30k miles hover around the high $24k mark in my area, for certified pre-owned.

I don't plan to do any engine modification, other than the slim possibility of a stage 1 tune or whatever helps the rev hang. That's something that bothers me about the BRZ.

Have enough changes been made that it's worth looking at the later model CPO cars over 2016's?

Would you be comfortable with a 16k mile car with no maintenance records even with extended warranty?

Should I just get a (new) 2018/2019 and be done with it?

Thanks for the opinions!
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Old 10-19-2018, 02:51 AM   #2
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just my two cents: i'd just get a new one if its $1-2 K difference here or there vs getting a model with XXX mileage on it. like if its 24K for a used but 26-27K for a new, i'd rather just get new. If its like 16K for used vs 26K then yeah, i'd think about used.

If u get a new one, it's straight forward. No questions about it, and the costs aren't that unreasonbly higher.
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Old 10-19-2018, 07:31 AM   #3
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if the new ones are only a tad more than the used then that means for certain that the used ones won't actually sell for that.

New vs Used is precisely what sets pricing for used (fill in the blank)
It's economically impossible that used (fill in the blank) sell (I don't mean ask, I mean sell) for practically new pricing other than specific cases where a model goes out of production or something very unusual
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:15 AM   #4
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You'll get a better deal new and 18 is now leftover so if they are plentiful, could be a great deal. Remember that dealers make a couple hundred dollars on new sales and a couple thousand on used.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:31 AM   #5
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Go for the left over 2018 new or 2019.

GL and congrats.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:47 AM   #6
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I specifically went with a 2019 over a new 2018 because of Android Auto / Apple Car Play. It's a great little feature to see maps from your phone on a bigger screen (without paying for Subarus navigation). I also like it for controlling other things on my phone like music and seeing info snippets like weather and who's calling. Bluetooth can do some of that, but the interface via Android Auto is superior. If you have no interest in those features I'd 100% get a 2018 and save some money.
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:14 AM   #7
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Yeah, my 19 Limited’s HK stereo does not run CarPlay properly. I read people with Android Auto have no issue though. I restricted CarPlay from auto launching on my Iphone.
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Old 10-19-2018, 01:33 PM   #8
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New all the way. you'll get an insane deal on a 2018 at this time of year if you shop it right.

Also there's this point: Peoples oil changes don't show up on CarFax. That would not stop me from a deal.

And then there's this point:CARFAX IS CRAP AND WORTHLESS.
I doubt that much more than 10% of the industry reports to CarFax. It's a sham, and gives people a false sense of security. I've seen cars with clean CarFaxes that have clearly been in accidents.
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Old 10-19-2018, 01:50 PM   #9
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Thanks for the input everyone.

Iím completely losing my shorts on the BRZ, so I donít think my wife will be entertained by the idea of buying new, despite the fact that the WRX doesnít seem to plummet in value like the BRZ did.

Iíll keep looking, and see what kind of deal I can make happen.
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:03 PM   #10
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If you are looking at a base model, here $27,000 will get you a new 2019 out the door after tax and tags.

2018 and later models have a slightly revised crash structure intended to better protect front passenger occupants in certain types of frontal overlapping impacts.
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Old 10-20-2018, 01:59 AM   #11
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Oh! That's good to know! Thank you. I'm in CA, but only have a 7.25% tax rate.
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Old 10-20-2018, 08:01 AM   #12
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Go with the new. The warranty with no miles is worth it. I do all of my own maintenance and don't drive it aggressive. If i were to sell it someone would get a great car but not everyone is like that. Buying a used car is a gamble and if this is a daily driver of yours, transporting kids as well, then go for the safer bet.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:03 PM   #13
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Oh! That's good to know! Thank you. I'm in CA, but only have a 7.25% tax rate.
We're 6% in MD. I have observed that car prices can vary a lot geographically, but I imagine regardless of where you are you can negotiate a good deal if you find a dealer that really wants to sell you a car. Insane as it is, at least where I am at, there are many instances where current or previous model year used WRX/STIs are priced essentially the same to new ones with similar trim levels, and sometimes even higher. I've observed this is especially pronounced with the STI. Dealers are consistently listing used 2018 STIs with +/- 10k miles for as much as I paid for mine new.

If you are in the parts of CA that gets colder, given the current time of year you can hound them over having to immediately purchase winter tires and use it as a bargaining chip. If you find a new 2018, you can negotiate over 'how much you like the car, BUT, are disappointed by the lack of Car Play/Android Auto'.
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Old 10-20-2018, 08:14 PM   #14
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Id go new simply for the peace of mind. I actually debated saving about 3k when I got mine 2 years ago but figured I want to know exactly how the car was driven and maintained. My niece and nephew fit in the back seats no problem (no car seats since they are 11, but still) and on occasion holds 4 adult males on lunch outings.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:46 PM   #15
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Default Bought a BRZ, admitting I'm wrong and want a 2015+ WRX. A few questions

Knowing I will likely want to upgrade to the next gen WRX in a couple years I do like the idea of saving a little now on the a cpo model. Not to mention the lower interest rate over a new one.

Iím going to try and get them down to something like 24 OTD w/ttl on the used 2018.

Weíll see what I can accomplish today. Going to show up in my flawless series.yellow BRZ and complain about the paint on the WRX.

If I canít talk them down Iíll likely move towards the 27 OTD target for a 2019.

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Old 10-23-2018, 10:05 AM   #16
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Yeah, my 19 Limitedís HK stereo does not run CarPlay properly. I read people with Android Auto have no issue though. I restricted CarPlay from auto launching on my Iphone.
19 Limited regular radio seems to run Android Auto flawlessly. I have just a few nitpicks with the interface, like with maps being a little difficult to set new destinations without voice inputs. Also it takes over the phone so if I'm stopped at a red light sometimes I have to unplug the phone to see what my text messages are.

What does CarPlay do or not do? What iPhone are you using? My girl has an iPhone 8, but we haven't tried plugging it in yet. I've got an old iPhone 6 I'm curious to try CP with now.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:38 AM   #17
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New all the way. you'll get an insane deal on a 2018 at this time of year if you shop it right.

Also there's this point: Peoples oil changes don't show up on CarFax. That would not stop me from a deal.

And then there's this point:CARFAX IS CRAP AND WORTHLESS.
I doubt that much more than 10% of the industry reports to CarFax. It's a sham, and gives people a false sense of security. I've seen cars with clean CarFaxes that have clearly been in accidents.
that's true. I traded in my 2017 Raptor that had been hit by a drunk driver because of a bunch of rattles that showed up after I got it back. Got it fixed and immediately traded it in before it hit carfax. 10k of damage and didn't show up. They gave me 59k on trade, I paid 62k for it and gave me TONS of leverage while searching for a new car. After trade, I ended up getting my 19 STi for less than invoice on a new WRX base.
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Old 10-24-2018, 04:31 AM   #18
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that's true. I traded in my 2017 Raptor that had been hit by a drunk driver because of a bunch of rattles that showed up after I got it back. Got it fixed and immediately traded it in before it hit carfax. 10k of damage and didn't show up. They gave me 59k on trade, I paid 62k for it and gave me TONS of leverage while searching for a new car. After trade, I ended up getting my 19 STi for less than invoice on a new WRX base.
Lucky buyer. Anyway, if you're willing to spend ~60K on a vehicle, why not get an M3 or similar rather than an STi.
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Old 10-24-2018, 12:18 PM   #19
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19 Limited regular radio seems to run Android Auto flawlessly. I have just a few nitpicks with the interface, like with maps being a little difficult to set new destinations without voice inputs. Also it takes over the phone so if I'm stopped at a red light sometimes I have to unplug the phone to see what my text messages are.

What does CarPlay do or not do? What iPhone are you using? My girl has an iPhone 8, but we haven't tried plugging it in yet. I've got an old iPhone 6 I'm curious to try CP with now.
Iím running iPhone7 and using the Apple lightening cable as suggested by the dealer, but the thing disconnects randomly. For me I use CarPlay on my other car mainly to access music and text but the factory HK unit can basically do what I need it to do without much inconvenience even without CarPlay. I use Siri for texting.

If one is a heavy Spotify user or use maps often they might feel frustrated. It provides the user with basically the same interface using the HUís screen.

The HKís factory nav is quite good so honesty not having CarPlay for me is only a minor inconvenience..but would like to to work properly some day!
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