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Old 07-15-2009, 04:50 PM   #51
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I said SSGT didn't I? I had the rulebook open and everything......Showroom stock goes...

STGT....SSA....SSB.

So SSGT, right?

I watched your vid. Man.....you've got torque. I could feel it going up the hill. You running a 1.8??? I liked the disco lights too. I'm thinking neon pink for my car. Turning in early for 2B???? No such thing....unless you run over the cone and wipe out the barrier between the track and flaggers.

Ted......nice hugging between the bowl and 9......you did listen (tear in my eye). I think Raj told you some things, though. Do the words "bomb in there" mean anything to you? I didn't hear boost cut. You sure that's your car?? Nice dog box whine.

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no 1.8 in my whip, it's a b16a with a mild intake cam, intake, header, no cat, and tune for a different motor. maybe 170hp? I need to swap it to OBD1 so I can get Matt to throw a tune at it and pick up some power, but I have more immediate needs to get the suspension dialed in now that I can run it two sessions in a row without major issues cropping up.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:28 PM   #53
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SPB? Paging CTKAG.......cleanup on aisle 9......

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*sigh* Doesn't look like I'll make any events this year. I'd love to come and keep everyone honest.

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Old 07-15-2009, 06:53 PM   #54
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*sigh* Doesn't look like I'll make any events this year. I'd love to come and keep everyone honest.

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Old 07-15-2009, 07:16 PM   #55
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jack you are out of date. turn 1 and 2a are entirely not the same. watch my vid, y0! and yes, I know I was turning in early in 2b so save it
nick, just do what my good students do and cut a hole in your right pants pocket so I get better access to the shifter. yeee haw!
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Is turn 1 -2a faster now???
Looks like it might be a little quicker.

With all that fresh pavement laid down I might run the RE070's!
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:35 PM   #56
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Is turn 1 -2a faster now???
Looks like it might be a little quicker.

With all that fresh pavement laid down I might run the RE070's!
Yah....I've been looking around today... Looks like the low line no longer exists. I liked that line. Bruce yelled at people taking the high line. I didn't cause I liked gaining 6 car lengths at the expense of a few heart attacks.

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Old 07-15-2009, 08:54 PM   #57
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yet another blown up pipe to turbo gasket...this is on a new UP too. im ready to burn the car.
I was lunching UP gaskets left and right.

I pulled my headers and used a sanding block to deck all the flanges, sprayed every surface with copper gasket spray, sprayed both sides of every gasket with copper spray, and used a different UP gasket since the fire ring wasnt crushing, it was smaller than the ID of my up pipe. Seems to be holding.....
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:56 PM   #58
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im confused about the format

saturday is student day, then sunday is?????
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:00 PM   #59
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WTLY.

SPB doesn't require rollbar this year. Stock STI is SSGT, not STGT. Modified STI's are ST1 now.

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I said SSGT didn't I? I had the rulebook open and everything......Showroom stock goes...

STGT....SSA....SSB.

So SSGT, right?

I watched your vid. Man.....you've got torque. I could feel it going up the hill. You running a 1.8??? I liked the disco lights too. I'm thinking neon pink for my car. Turning in early for 2B???? No such thing....unless you run over the cone and wipe out the barrier between the track and flaggers.

Ted......nice hugging between the bowl and 9......you did listen (tear in my eye). I think Raj told you some things, though. Do the words "bomb in there" mean anything to you? I didn't hear boost cut. You sure that's your car?? Nice dog box whine.

Where's my prune juice, sonny?

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At least I'm not the only confused one here...

So with upgraded turbo, injectors, fuel pump, downpipe, and accessport am I ST1 or SPB?
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Sunday morning is practice. You'll need to be signed off to run. Afternoon is time trials.

If you sign up and don't get signed off, you'll get a refund for the 2nd day.

Unless they've changed that format and now require spacemen and easter bunnies to sign off on your dance card. I dono. I did zero COM last year. All SCDA.

Nick...don't worry about it. Leave it at SSB. Nobody will care.

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Jack stop confusing the hell out of these guys. >I< cant even follow your logic.

xrocket,
Saturday is a DE day, everyone will have 4 -20 min sessions on track. there will be 4 groups normally. 1 and 2 are licensed drivers separated loosely be speed to help keep trains to a minimum. Groups 3 and 4 are student groups. All drivers in these groups will have an instructor. 3 and 4 are usually separated by experience with group 3 drivers generally more experienced. Except with dual driver students (2 students driving the same car) one will be placed in each group.

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If you dont mod your car the STI is in SSGT, with your mods you should be in SPB. There arent any crazy roll bar or space suit rules anymore for SP classes. If youre just doing day 1 it doesn't matter at all, no one will care even in the tech line. Just clearing the air so you're at least informed.

If either of you want to drive on day 2 you should sign up for both days. For some reason if you dont get signed off, you may ask your instructor if they will ride with you on day 2. Most would be willing to just so you can run that day. If not you will get a refund.

Not sure if I'll be making the event, or even if I do not sure what car. Hope to be driving the LeMon again! but I might bring the STI and make some ride-along puke, again
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:47 PM   #62
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Jack stop confusing the hell out of these guys. >I< cant even follow your logic.
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What? Where am I?

You said the same thing as me. Sunday morning: Practice. Afternoon: Time trials.



To participate in Sunday, you need to be signed off to solo for the time trials.
thus the details of Sunday don't really matter.



The rest was giberish, but rogue told me to always make sure to say something crazy........it can come in handy during the trial. Spacemen....heh heh....

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Nick, run in SSC! You'll own those Miata queers.

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ahhhhhhhhhh, I see, I might change my mind and just do saturday then
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:35 AM   #65
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sign up for both days incase you do get signed off then you will be able to drive on sunday. if it works out you cant solo on sunday, you will get a refund.
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sign up for both days incase you do get signed off then you will be able to drive on sunday. if it works out you cant solo on sunday, you will get a refund.
Yeah, but I dont want to stay up there overnight just to find out I have to drive home anyway

I just dont want a timer going ,it will encourage me to push harder, and I dont want to wad my car, its literally my daily driver. Only other vehicle I have is a motorcycle

what does it take to get signed off for sunday?

is sunday still 4 20 min sessions?

I dont need some jabroney sliding into me and taking me out
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Yeah, but I dont want to stay up there overnight just to find out I have to drive home anyway

I just dont want a timer going ,it will encourage me to push harder, and I dont want to wad my car, its literally my daily driver. Only other vehicle I have is a motorcycle

what does it take to get signed off for sunday?

is sunday still 4 20 min sessions?

I dont need some jabroney sliding into me and taking me out
1. Instructors look for whether you're aware and not a danger to yourself/others, more than outright speed. If you don't drive like a retard, keep your eyes open and point faster cars by, and pass slower cars safely, you should be okay unless you are way behind the pace.

2. The second day is two 20 minute sessions, 3 time trial laps, and whatever open track happens after that, which could be anything from 0 minutes to an hour.

3. You really, really, really should not be taking a car to the track that you aren't willing to risk balling up. Your insurance company likely will not pay for any damages you incur (unless you lie to them). Car to car collisions are extremely rare, but even if you do everything right, you can still crash because someone dropped fluid in front of you or whatever.

I cannot emphasize this enough. Don't put a car on the track, that you can't walk away from.

Edit: There's an insurance company that covers on-track incidents for certain clubs/events. I can dig up this info if you want, but I'm pretty sure COM isn't one of the clubs that are covered.

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Old 07-16-2009, 12:44 PM   #68
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1. Instructors look for whether you're aware and not a danger to yourself/others, more than outright speed. If you don't drive like a retard, keep your eyes open and point faster cars by, and pass slower cars safely, you should be okay unless you are way behind the pace.

2. The second day is two 20 minute sessions, 3 time trial laps, and whatever open track happens after that, which could be anything from 0 minutes to an hour.

3. You really, really, really should not be taking a car to the track that you aren't willing to risk balling up. Your insurance company likely will not pay for any damages you incur (unless you lie to them). Car to car collisions are extremely rare, but even if you do everything right, you can still crash because someone dropped fluid in front of you or whatever.

I cannot emphasize this enough. Don't put a car on the track, that you can't walk away from.

Edit: There's an insurance company that covers on-track incidents for certain clubs/events. I can dig up this info if you want, but I'm pretty sure COM isn't one of the clubs that are covered.

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Of course I realize the risk, but I built the car to drive it fast, and I dont do it on the street, so that leaves the track. Yet I still have to draw the line, and track competition is where I personally draw the line.
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1. Instructors look for whether you're aware and not a danger to yourself/others, more than outright speed. If you don't drive like a retard, keep your eyes open and point faster cars by, and pass slower cars safely, you should be okay unless you are way behind the pace.

2. The second day is two 20 minute sessions, 3 time trial laps, and whatever open track happens after that, which could be anything from 0 minutes to an hour.

3. You really, really, really should not be taking a car to the track that you aren't willing to risk balling up. Your insurance company likely will not pay for any damages you incur (unless you lie to them). Car to car collisions are extremely rare, but even if you do everything right, you can still crash because someone dropped fluid in front of you or whatever.

I cannot emphasize this enough. Don't put a car on the track, that you can't walk away from.

Edit: There's an insurance company that covers on-track incidents for certain clubs/events. I can dig up this info if you want, but I'm pretty sure COM isn't one of the clubs that are covered.

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Well aren't you a ray of sunshine!

I mean I get it... which is also why I'm only doing the student day for now. Until I'm more comfortable in the car on the track I wouldn't even think of getting into an actual race scenario.

What is the average spacing with the student driving to prevent trains?

Do other groups run events at the track? The family member who talked me into going at all, was saying they have all kinds of open driving events there. He drives a BMW, but said anyone is welcome at the events he attends.
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Well aren't you a ray of sunshine!

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Raj may sound a bit harsh or overly cautious, but he's 100% right. Many, many, many trackrats have gone to cheap, track-only cars because of both the cost to run big power street cars and the cost in case you ball it up. I was literally looking at my odometer today and thinking.....hmmm.....40k miles....I guess I could justify buying a new car.

As safe as one of the COM forum responses sounds to a similar question, things can happen. I have been very, very lucky. I've spun many times.....hit anti-freeze before the uphill at Lime Rock and not put an M3 into the guard rail (by an inch....literally) and only had one actual crash ever....due to my negligence to guarantee that a brake line was secure enough.....I lost brakes coming into 3....but that was a racecar.

As far as other clubs....yah.....SCDA, BMW CCA etc all run schools. But they're quite similar to COM.

(anyone know if NHMS still has Thursday open track?)
They used to require a competition license. No corner workers. You'd go out and you're on your own. Cars 1/2 the day, bikes 1/2 the day. Not recommended for novice drivers.

We do our best to keep you safe, but when it comes right down to it....you're responsible to keep yourself and your car and other people safe and away from each other. If you put the car into a tire barrier, nobody's going to come along and say "hey, I was leaking coolant, here's five grand to fix your car cause it was sort of my fault".

Raj's blue STi pic is the result of a track incident. It's not just a random pic I found of a wrecked Subie.

I won't ask for people to volunteer if they've ever had a track incident cause everyone would quit COM. It happens. You need to be aware. You don't have to go out and be afraid, but if you're going to slit your wrists because the car gets dinged, don't do it.

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the BOD for COM as spoke to the insurance company, you are able to purchase coverage for everything except the 3 time trial laps. it will be in the range of 2-400 depending on your stated value. the quote i got was about 400 for 3 days of coverage based on a stated value of 70,000
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and personally, I see a difference between a timed competition and a student day
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FWIW, Jihad Alley happened on the "student" day

It is rare for students to bang it up, since they're usually driving way under what the car can do, and have an instructor with them to prevent shenanigans. The risk of denting panels is very real, regardless of whether you run one day or both days. Like Jack said, if you're going to slit your wrist afterward, you probably shouldn't do it.

However, here's the track insurance company I was talking about earlier:
http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

If you click "Apply Online" on the left, and choose "New Hampshire Motor Speedway" from the drop down on top of the page, you can see which NHMS events they offer insurance for. There are a bunch of SCDA and BMWCCA ones.

The COM board discussed this, but nothing has come out of it so far.
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PS: Fun fact - if you crab walk your STI sideways up turn 3 while your instructor's screaming at you in fear, the instructor might get upset.
PS #2: Jack - that's the first time someone's applied the word "cautious" to me
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PS: Fun fact - if you crab walk your STI sideways up turn 3 while your instructor's screaming at you in fear, the instructor might get upset.
PS #2: Jack - that's the first time someone's applied the word "cautious" to me
.....you mean an instructor in addition to me? (note....Raj was already licensed. Suresh suggested to Raj that I go out with him to give him hints to reduce his lap times. I don't think I actually got upset. Scared...yah....upset.....no). Seeing Suresh after the run, he just looked at me and said "see? see?".

PS #2: Yah.....KFoote did tell me a couple years ago that you've mellowed out. Come to think of it, that was before you acquired that all wheel steer STi. Remind me not to listen to Kevin anymore.

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Yeah, but I dont want to stay up there overnight just to find out I have to drive home anyway

I just dont want a timer going ,it will encourage me to push harder, and I dont want to wad my car, its literally my daily driver. Only other vehicle I have is a motorcycle

what does it take to get signed off for sunday?

is sunday still 4 20 min sessions?

I dont need some jabroney sliding into me and taking me out
James;

Last time I was at NHMS the Sunday was actually the best day. It started off slow with the practise sessions and the time trials, but at the end of the day the fun runs were awesome. I got so much track time it really made my weekend.

As far as pushing yourself during the time trials, well that is self control. If you convince yourself you're not there to compete then just treat the time trials as another practise session. At some point on Saturday COMSCC will ask you to have a friend time you, so they know where to place you during the time trials. If you have the friend submit your time without you seeing it, perhaps that will lessen the competitive drive and help you relax.

As far as wrecking goes, that is sadly something that can happen at any time. I almost lost it and had to go through the gap in the barriers at turn 3 during my first practise session on the Saturday because an S2000 dropped oil and coolant on the track. My only warning was the yellow corvette ahead of me almost losing it which made me slow down. It was scary as hell but if you stay calm and take corners sensibly you should be able to make it out of situations, though NHMS doesn't have as much runoff as other tracks I'm used to.

I had a great time doing both days and I really recommend you try it.
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