Toyota Yaris GR-4

[T-37]

AWD 3-door? Maybe turbo? Maybe hybrid? I can haz!?

More info should be available during Tokyo Auto Salon. The rumor I saw on twitter was that the TGR WRT will be there instead of the 2020 WRC Season launch in Birmingham, UK.

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[dwf137]

The Yaris we get in the states is drastically different than the Yaris abroad... Ours is based on a Mazda 2. Theirs is a completely different chassis. Doubt we'll ever see this here.

[T-37]

Supposedly this is a homologation special for the next Yaris WRC (note the lowered roofline). If the info I was finding online is correct, the production requirements are still fairly low at 2500, but considering Akio Toyoda is in full on WRC fanboy mode, I think there's a shred of a possibility out there.

[Scooby-Doode]

Originally Posted by dwf137

The Yaris we get in the states is drastically different than the Yaris abroad... Ours is based on a Mazda 2. Theirs is a completely different chassis. Doubt we'll ever see this here.

What he ^^^^^^ said. Sad because some of us like the euro Yaris.

[quentinberg007]

I don’t think it is coming to the US but it looks like a riot. That squat when all 4 start spinning and sub 2800lbs.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

What he ^^^^^^ said. Sad because some of us like the euro Yaris.

Super sad. The damn American branches of the car companies want us all to buy the same ****ing thing. Setting up the cattle chutes to sedan or cuv monotony. Then the European branches give all the choices. Like this Yaris. Or any other hatchback offered by tons of other manufacturers. It's ****ing depressing. Thank god VW still brings the R here or I would literally not know what car I'd be driving.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by dwf137

Super sad. The damn American branches of the car companies want us all to buy the same ****ing thing. Setting up the cattle chutes to sedan or cuv monotony. Then the European branches give all the choices. Like this Yaris. Or any other hatchback offered by tons of other manufacturers. It's ****ing depressing. Thank god VW still brings the R here or I would literally not know what car I'd be driving.

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

[4S-TURBO]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

When they are offered they suck and are overpriced entry level garbage bins for city dwelling economic toddlers. No screaming engines.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

When they are offered they suck and are overpriced entry level garbage bins for city dwelling economic toddlers. No screaming engines.

Amen. Give us the version without a condom and let’s see what happens.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

It's about the bean counters reducing consumers buying options so they can maximize profit and pay CEO's obnoxiously stupid salaries. That's all it is.

VWoA sold 26,700 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 330M. (about 80 per million people)
VWUK sold 5,800 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 67M. (about 87 per million people)

Per capita, US bought nearly identical amounts of the the Sportwagons.

VWoA Discontinued Sportwagons.
VWUK continues to sell 5 different trims of Sportwagons, including a legit R.

Why? It's not because the sales aren't there.

[subyski]

It's because they can probably sell more of the equivalent CUV version vs the small wagon in the U.S. While wagons are still popular in Europe, they are slowly shifting to CUVs too. Plus, we'll see how VW (or any company) operates in the UK once the Brexit mess is settled.

Small wagons were never that popular in the U.S. The popular station wagons of old were big and equivalent of the large 2 row and 3 row CUV's of today. The old station wagons also handled like boats too.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by dwf137

It's about the bean counters reducing consumers buying options so they can maximize profit and pay CEO's obnoxiously stupid salaries. That's all it is.

Totally agree, for once.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by Pre

Totally agree, for once.

I think there's more common ground than one would think...

the lack of european type options in the US auto market is just so damn frustrating. so many wagons/hatchbacks that I'd really be interested in buying...

[Skylab]

No Golf R wagon for the states

But hey, check out that $100K++ RS6 Avant!


***129488;

[subyski]

I would like to see how many RS6 Avants they sell before Audi pulls the plug saying Americans don't buy wagons.

[4S-TURBO]

This pulls my plug...



...and again.

[Pre]

Unobtanium! Or just wait for the thing to depreciate like a rock!

[JRodrigues]

Originally Posted by dwf137

It's about the bean counters reducing consumers buying options so they can maximize profit and pay CEO's obnoxiously stupid salaries. That's all it is.

VWoA sold 26,700 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 330M. (about 80 per million people)
VWUK sold 5,800 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 67M. (about 87 per million people)

Per capita, US bought nearly identical amounts of the the Sportwagons.

VWoA Discontinued Sportwagons.
VWUK continues to sell 5 different trims of Sportwagons, including a legit R.

Why? It's not because the sales aren't there.

Maybe because of homologation issues. Maybe the same Golf Sportwagon can be homologated to the UK... and Germany, and France, and Spain.. and any other european country.

I say this because of an article I read about the homologation of the S209 in the US, and all the issues it brought to STI. On guy in the comments said that to homologate a car, it might reach millions of dollars.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by JRodrigues

Maybe because of homologation issues. Maybe the same Golf Sportwagon can be homologated to the UK... and Germany, and France, and Spain.. and any other european country.

I say this because of an article I read about the homologation of the S209 in the US, and all the issues it brought to STI. On guy in the comments said that to homologate a car, it might reach millions of dollars.

Definitely costs there. I've argued many times in the past that EU and the US need to just settle their damn differences, have some beers, sing kumbya or whatever they need, and come up with one standard that works for all. It would save manufacturers so much money, and would likely provide consumers with a lot more options.

[subyski]

Originally Posted by dwf137

Definitely costs there. I've argued many times in the past that EU and the US need to just settle their damn differences, have some beers, sing kumbya or whatever they need, and come up with one standard that works for all. It would save manufacturers so much money, and would likely provide consumers with a lot more options.

I can't imagine how many billions have been wasted on manufacturers catering to two major market standards.

[4S-TURBO]

Yeah but full size trucks. /debate

[lil'redwagon]

Crossovers. debate

[Pre]

Originally Posted by lil'redwagon

Crossovers. debate

This business will get of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

I wish the local gun range would put in for a raffle to all us members to purchased a used or wrecked CUV so we could use it as target practice. I'd bring the Vepr12, some slugs and maybe an AK. Would be one of the best days of my life.

[quentinberg007]

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/exc...oyota-gr-yaris

I so want this. Light weight, AWD, 6MT.

[4S-TURBO]

Rally on, Garth.