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Old 04-30-2019, 01:11 PM   #551
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While I'd like to consider another manufacturer for an EV, Tesla is the only one making an affordable EV with decent power/performance. By the time the Model Y drops, I hope we have more choices.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:24 PM   #552
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So long as Tesla can build them, those are going to be everywhere. Yikes for everyone else.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:57 PM   #553
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Hate the "four-door-coupe" styling. Just make it normal shaped and I would have bought one...
I wish it were more wagony in the back as well, but I'd take this over the model 3 for the hatch and extra cargo space (and the fact that it has the same ride height as the model 3; shhh don't tell the CUV people it's a car with more body and not more suspension).
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:29 PM   #554
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Hate the "four-door-coupe" styling. Just make it normal shaped and I would have bought one...
is styled for efficiency. Do you want a normal looking SUV that gets 200 miles or a four door looking hatch that gets 300 miles?
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:53 PM   #555
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is styled for efficiency. Do you want a normal looking SUV that gets 200 miles or a four door looking hatch that gets 300 miles?
Depends on if your third row occupants have necks and heads or if they simply end at the shoulders.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:57 PM   #556
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Depends on if your third row occupants have necks and heads or if they simply end at the shoulders.
3rd row is for children
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:03 PM   #557
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Looks incredibly similar to the VW ID Crozz, which was announced quite some time before the Model Y. Tesla feeling the pressure. Competition is good.

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Old 04-30-2019, 04:25 PM   #558
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Looks incredibly similar to the VW ID Crozz, which was announced quite some time before the Model Y. Tesla feeling the pressure. Competition is good.


someone needs glasses. It looks like a fat model 3
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:43 PM   #559
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is styled for efficiency. Do you want a normal looking SUV that gets 200 miles or a four door looking hatch that gets 300 miles?
For me personally, I'd take the normal looking SUV with a bit more ground clearance.
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:16 PM   #560
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someone needs glasses. It looks like a fat model 3
Sometimes you guys can't see the forest for the trees...
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Enick don't pull a Paul Walker on us

Great interview by Chamath Palihapitiya on Tesla. I am surprised that CNBC cut that part of the interview on the video they posted on their YouTube channel:

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Old 05-01-2019, 10:04 AM   #562
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I would just buy a wagon and be done with it, screw Tesla.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:24 AM   #563
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Enick don't pull a Paul Walker on us

Great interview by Chamath Palihapitiya on Tesla. I am surprised that CNBC cut that part of the interview on the video they posted on their YouTube channel:

https://youtu.be/7OaMqbv8WXU
I respect Chamath a lot - even though he's massively hypocritical and can preach from his ivory tower, but he has one thing wrong..

The demand. Sure - that was true 6+ months ago, but currently - the demand for the M3 - just isn't there.

Also be wary - the guy is advocating for buying the converts, not the stock. The converts have a nice 40bn+ cushion (of equity).

Enick played it right. Unfortunately you have to be well worth into the 7 figures to be able to play that game.
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From everything I read....the funny thing is report after report of millennials not buying vehicles like previous generations. But there is a caveat. Tesla. For some reason many of them are buying them or want one. Maybe it's the tech laden bs. I think that generation is driving demand for EV's. So in the long run I think Elon will make it. Huge cultural shift now occurring.
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millennials are image over substance. So naturally they want anything that has a media approved image associated with it. Marketing to the millennial crowd must be the single easiest thing on earth to do. Say it is green, organic or local, or promise it will make you thinner or prettier or get more likes and they will inhale it with their Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato.
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Old 05-01-2019, 03:59 PM   #566
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I respect Chamath a lot - even though he's massively hypocritical and can preach from his ivory tower, but he has one thing wrong..

The demand. Sure - that was true 6+ months ago, but currently - the demand for the M3 - just isn't there.

Also be wary - the guy is advocating for buying the converts, not the stock. The converts have a nice 40bn+ cushion (of equity).

Enick played it right. Unfortunately you have to be well worth into the 7 figures to be able to play that game.

Demand issues, where in the USA or the entire world? They sold more car in Norway and believe Switzerland than any other ICE car, for sure about Norway. Q1 is usually a slow month in the USA, other manufacturers reported low numbers as well. Compare Q1 2019 to Q1 2018 not to Q4 2018. Even if they have a Model 3 demand issue in the USA they have the rest of the world to sell 500,000 units; Tesla just last week starting shipping right hand drive cars.

The Model Y is around the corner and it should be easy to manufacture since it is essentially a taller model 3 with a hatch. That one should sell like crazy in the USA.

Enick is playing the short term and I going long term. Loved Chamath interview.
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millennials are image over substance. So naturally they want anything that has a media approved image associated with it. Marketing to the millennial crowd must be the single easiest thing on earth to do. Say it is green, organic or local, or promise it will make you thinner or prettier or get more likes and they will inhale it with their Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato.
the humility. it's real. that's something gen-x has right. they're the most humble bunch of people i've ever met. they've figured out the world, are completely immune to marketing and social trends, and certainly never buy starbucks.


most of the people buying teslas are not millennials... millenials cant' afford them. Who can? Babyboomers and gen x'ers... Who do I see at whole foods? It's certainly not millennials who have a hard time paying rent, it's gen-xers who pull up to the store in their suburbans, boob jobs, and fake noses, dressed in the latest athleisure wear.
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Old people never realize when they turn into the authority figures and "get off my lawn" types they hated when they were young.

Millennials are just the current old people scape goats.

Every generation has fallen for the same BS with a different face. It just takes one generation for what once was sacrilege to become sacred. And vice versa...
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the humility. it's real. that's something gen-x has right. they're the most humble bunch of people i've ever met. they've figured out the world, are completely immune to marketing and social trends, and certainly never buy starbucks.


most of the people buying teslas are not millennials... millenials cant' afford them. Who can? Babyboomers and gen x'ers... Who do I see at whole foods? It's certainly not millennials who have a hard time paying rent, it's gen-xers who pull up to the store in their suburbans, boob jobs, and fake noses, dressed in the latest athleisure wear.
The last generation(s) are smarter, braver, and way more savvy than the current generation(s)...

Previous generations never wanted to change things, be smarter, more efficient, have it better, be more beautiful or do things differently than their preceding generation... or did I mean that the current, coddle, babied generation doesn't want to change things, be smarter, more efficient, have it better or be more beautiful?

This war will be the last great war, because it will be so horrible that we'll have no choice but to learn a better way from it, change the people we're warring with, along with our way of dealing with them, and upgrade everyone to our modern ideologies...


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the humility. it's real. that's something gen-x has right. they're the most humble bunch of people i've ever met. they've figured out the world, are completely immune to marketing and social trends, and certainly never buy starbucks.


most of the people buying teslas are not millennials... millenials cant' afford them. Who can? Babyboomers and gen x'ers... Who do I see at whole foods? It's certainly not millennials who have a hard time paying rent, it's gen-xers who pull up to the store in their suburbans, boob jobs, and fake noses, dressed in the latest athleisure wear.
I got the AWD version with the $7,500 tax credit and I'm saving $2,000 a year on fuel after subtracting electric costs. $16,000 + $7,500 = $23,500 savings over 8 years (The duration of how long I plan to keep my car)

The Shell 93 Octane was always costly and there is no such thing as high octane electrons.

Model S, Model X are for the wealthy. Model 3 not so much unless you think an STI Limited are for wealthy folks.

So gen-xers are buying Teslas but they are also buying suburbans? That makes no sense. You seem confused.
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So after vowing over and over that no more capital is needed... they announce another 2B offering, with doucheboy taking 0.5% of the offering LOL. And... the stock price jumps up ~7% from the low. Hilarious how dumb people are. Thanks for the free money, yet again. Hedge back on for now - when it closes, likely return to naked short.
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couple Billion $, no biggie in green world.
https://www.autonews.com/automakers-...bond-offerings
or could this be sign ? The govt carrot and stick approach will hold him for now especially in EU if equal trade deals done for autos there.
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So after vowing over and over that no more capital is needed... they announce another 2B offering, with doucheboy taking 0.5% of the offering LOL. And... the stock price jumps up ~7% from the low. Hilarious how dumb people are. Thanks for the free money, yet again. Hedge back on for now - when it closes, likely return to naked short.
I was going to post this today.

Juanmedina, are you able to eat some humble pie and admit you were wrong that capital raise wouldn’t be needed or are you going to not reply like usual when proven wrong about a particular point?


Oh, and before everyone hops on the “Elon is releasing all patents and won’t sue if it’s used in good faith” should probably look up what good faith is. Hint, people have to pay to use the patent.
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Model S, Model X are for the wealthy. Model 3 not so much unless you think an STI Limited are for wealthy folks.

So gen-xers are buying Teslas but they are also buying suburbans? That makes no sense. You seem confused.
STI limited are not in reach for most millennials. Neither are Model 3's. It's not about "wealthy" but about the age and economy that they were forced to start working in. The "millennials" that you will see driving a 40K car are mostly late gen-x to early millenials (early 80's). Basically the people who graduated college before the recession. And they're hardly defined by the typical millenial stereotypes. They grew up without tech and learned how to integrate it into their lives, and are the ones that you see walking around without staring at their phone or texting while driving.

The tesla discussion and the suburbans going to whole foods were two separate examples, mostly referring to the "organic" and "local" buzzwords previously referenced. There are plenty of Tesla's parked in the local whole-foods. Millennials take the uber to trader joes, because they can't afford a car but want to eat better food than the processed garbage at the regular box grocery store.
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:42 PM   #575
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Juanmedina, are you able to eat some humble pie and admit you were wrong that capital raise wouldnít be needed or are you going to not reply like usual when proven wrong about a particular point?


Oh, and before everyone hops on the ďElon is releasing all patents and wonít sue if itís used in good faithĒ should probably look up what good faith is. Hint, people have to pay to use the patent.
Yeah I was wrong eventually .........
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