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Old 06-08-2019, 09:00 PM   #351
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The grid:

Pos Driver Team
1 Vettel Ferrari
2 Hamilton Mercedes
3 Leclerc Ferrari
4 Ricciardo Renault
5 Gasly Red Bull
6 Bottas Mercedes
7 Hulkenberg Renault
8 Norris McLaren
9 Sainz McLaren
10 Magnussen Haas
11 Verstappen Red Bull
12 Kvyat Toro Rosso
13 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
14 Albon Toro Rosso
15 Grosjean Haas No Time
16 Perez Racing Point
17 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
18 Stroll Racing Point
19 Russell Williams
20 Kubica Williams

Some how Ferrari will botch it again.
Either by getting caught out by a saftey car or some dumb strategy.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:18 PM   #352
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I really hope Ferrari if anything pulls out their once in a decade brilliant pit strategy for BOTH drivers. I would like to see a hard contested FER 1-2.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:55 PM   #353
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F1 Festival was a let down. Was cool to see some old F1 cars IRL, the sounds they made were pretty cool, but not much to do/see.

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Old 06-09-2019, 03:28 PM   #354
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5 second penalty?
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:07 PM   #355
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Iím a Hamilton fan and that penalty was disgusting. Yes, Vettel didnít rejoin safety but he didnít have an option when heís sliding across the grass.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:30 PM   #356
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Vettel took a good screwing on that one.

If the stewards, in their air conditioned room, felt that a penalty was needed (I don't), then a better one would have been to make Vettel let Hamilton pass him. After that, have at it to see who wins. Decide the race on the track, not in the steward's room.

Who were the stewards today, anyway?
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Regardless, Ferrari fed up again with a terrible strategy for Leclerc. He should have been battling Hamilton.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:42 PM   #358
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Regardless, Ferrari fed up again with a terrible strategy for Leclerc. He should have been battling Hamilton.
True.

He also should have pitted when Bottas did for new soft tires to shoot for the fastest lap point. He had plenty of gap.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:00 PM   #359
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you should see the whining on the german f1 forum....meh, it was Vettels fault, I am ok with this.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:40 PM   #360
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Same as going off the track in a runoff area, you went completely off in a battle (and admittedly were no longer in control of the car) and therefore should lose the place. This is the way the rules are written so have to apply a penalty.

Unfortunately the rules were written to avoid cheating by using an "off" to gain an advantage and this clearly was not cheating so I would prefer to not see any rule applied, but I also dont want the stewards to start trying to interpret rules, they have to apply them fairly... so change the rule or let it lie.
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Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Hamilton Mercedes 70
2 Vettel Ferrari 70
3 Leclerc Ferrari 70
4 Bottas Mercedes 70
5 Verstappen Red Bull 70
6 Ricciardo Renault 69
7 Hulkenberg Renault 69
8 Gasly Red Bull 69
9 Stroll Racing Point 69
10 Kvyat Toro Rosso 69
11 Sainz McLaren 69
12 Perez Racing Point 69
13 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 69
14 Grosjean Haas 69
15 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo 69
16 Russell Williams 68
17 Magnussen Haas 68
18 Kubica Williams 67
19 Albon Toro Rosso 59 Retired
20 Norris McLaren 8 Brakes

Cheap win by Hamilton. Pissed off Vettle stormed to the Stewards after the race.
Ferrari can't buy a win this season so far
Another questionable strategy for Leclerc
Nice result by Renault
Crappy result by Haas. The Mag was bitching so much about the car, He told to shut it by Steiner.
How the hell did Stroll get 9th ?
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:42 PM   #362
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Andretti, Mansell and others baffled by Vettel's Canadian GP penalty
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...ian-gp-penalty
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:58 PM   #363
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News from the afterlife of Niki Lauda-

https://bald.tires/2019/05/21/niki-l...-prix-circuit/

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That penalty was completely ridiculous and robbed us as fans. But Vettel moving the sign had my laughing so hard, lots of respect for that.

I love how the presenters have such a hard on for Hamilton and tried to compare it to Spa 2008, they were not even remotely similar. Hamilton wasnít penalized for unsafe reentry, he was penalized for gaining an advantage as he gained significant momentum on Raikkonen and had to lift slightly to let him ďpastĒ by all of a foot before flooring it and being right on him. Had he taken the bus stop normally he would have lost significant momentum due to being off the race line.

Sometimes these guys are completely clueless.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:37 AM   #365
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Who were the stewards today, anyway?
The only name I heard mentioned was Emanuele Pirro.


Mark Webber not so subtly jabbing at Pirro...
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Any of the stewards ever raced at the front in F1? Didn’t watch the race.. have now seen the “incident”.
Mental penalty.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:26 PM   #366
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Vettel binned it. Again.

Had he rejoined without crowding Hamilton to the wall, there would have been no penalty; despite him not losing the place from cutting the chicane. Maybe a warning or something...

Also... had he been able to open a 5s gap, he would have won regardless.

Lew was pretty snarky and rubbed it in a bit in the conference, reminding VET and everyone how he forced his error (again), even when Vettel was making sure the conversation focused on the penalty

I think when Vettel asked in the room, Lewis should have just said "WHO'S YOUR DADDY?!"
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Getting pretty tired of this alleged "racing" series.

Montreal does not have runoff areas, and it's not right to pretend a grass island lined in concrete walls should be treated like the 14 acres of asphalt every Tilke track has at each corner.

At worst this should have been a position swap, or decided after the race with driver interviews by the stewards. 5s penalty ruined the end of the race, and gave Lewis an easy default path to "victory". It's like they're trying to make it as boring as it's possible to make 200+ mph cars be...
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F1 Festival was a let down. Was cool to see some old F1 cars IRL, the sounds they made were pretty cool, but not much to do/see.

Pics/gifs from the event:

https://imgur.com/gallery/K8IiJ7V

https://imgur.com/gallery/hpSRGzG
Talked to a co-worker yesterday and he had driven down to Chicago to check out the F1 festival as well. He was incredibly disappointed. As you said there wasn't much to do or see. He also said most of the older F1 cars they brought out for show / demo wound up broken and not running. While he was there watching the only vehicle running was the 2-seat V10 hot-lap car.
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5s penalty ruined the end of the race, and gave Lewis an easy default path to "victory". It's like they're trying to make it as boring as it's possible to make 200+ mph cars be...
Why did the penalty ruin the end of the race and not Vettel's mistake?

Had he stayed on track, Ham would have pushed to pass him. Or... try to force a mistake, which... you know. What gave Lewis an 'easy' path to victory was Vettel's mistake.

Also, the stewards are trying to make 200+ mph car races as SAFE and with as consistent rules as possible. As requested by the teams and drivers. If it ruins "the show", well I guess then rules should be based on whether they favour "the "show"?
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Vettel was the car ahead. Why is it on him to avoid Lewis if Lewis is behind? If Lewis wasn't behind how did He know he needed to slow to avoid Seb?

without seeing the video a position swap strikes me as much more ideal.

Not like I've been complaining about Stewards heavy handed decisions. As though someone ruined their race so they have to ruin others.
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Vettel was the car ahead. Why is it on him to avoid Lewis if Lewis is behind? If Lewis wasn't behind how did He know he needed to slow to avoid Seb?

without seeing the video a position swap strikes me as much more ideal.

Not like I've been complaining about Stewards heavy handed decisions. As though someone ruined their race so they have to ruin others.
He was the car ahead, but the car REJOINING FROM AN OFF. It is on him to rejoin a) when it's safe b) without ramming another car to the wall and c) without gaining an unfair advantage.

Yes, the incident kind of ruined the "show" but.... Lewis could have either tried a pass, or force an error. I think we know which way he's going to go every time from now on

And yes, a position swap should have been the way to go. I think Ferrari knew they could have ordered Vettel to let Hamilton by. But they took a chance and it didn't pay off.
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I'm not sure what people expect him to have done to rejoin any safer than what he did. Grass doesn't exactly have much grip.
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I'm not sure what people expect him to have done to rejoin any safer than what he did. Grass doesn't exactly have much grip.
What do you mean?

1. He was not on grass when he squeezed Lewis to the wall.
2. He should know grass has no grip, and if he hits grass.... he's the one who needs to make the corrections when rejoining.
3. He was fighting for position, not trying to rejoin safely. He said it himself. He was trying to keep Lewis behind. Turns out he kept him behind by eliminating the space between his car and the wall. Would have been perfectly fine and pretty great had he not been rejoining from an off. Under any other situation, he could have taken that line with no problems.

It was pretty marginal too. A matter of a couple of metres for him being able to get away with just a warning.

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Vettel was the car aheadoff the track. Why is it on him to avoid Lewis if Lewis is behind? If Lewis wasn't behind how did He know he needed to slow to avoid Seb?

without seeing the video a position swap strikes me as much more ideal.

Not like I've been complaining about Stewards heavy handed decisions. As though someone ruined their race so they have to ruin others.
As the guy above states, Seb is the one who made an error and went off. If you don't do something to rule against this, then any time someone has an off, they're going to intentionally do this in order to try to save their position. Since you don't want people intentionally unsafely re-entering to defend positions, you have to enforce some sort of penalty on them. Of course you can always say "I was off the track, so I had no grip!"

I do agree a position swap would have been more appropriate, but given the pace of each car, I don't think it would have made a difference in the 1/2 race.

Seb can be mad but he can't legitimately blame anyone but himself for going off the track and giving up his lead.
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He WAS making corrections on rejoining. So he didn't spin, or hit the wall, or Lewis for that matter. Like I said, this is not a modern cookie-cutter Tilke track where the "run-off" is just more track painted a different color which has caused them to make these stupid rules about 'gaining advantage' and whatnot.

Rejoining safely is about not having a car that's spun off enter the track @ 30 KPH in front of cars doing 150+. It is NOT about stipulating that you must cede your position when engaged in a 1 on 1 dogfight and make a mistake that the trailing car fails to capitalize on.

I want to see more of these cars driven on their limits, and a whole hell of a lot less tire management and pit stop window strategy. It's boring as ****. The modern cars suck when driven at their limits; out of balance, twitchy, stupid messes optimized for nothing but aero, which makes passing (or just being near) even dramatically slower cars a hazardous proposition. So the FIA steps in to make it all "safe" with rule Band-Aids which just mean we never get to see real racing, or it ends like Montreal on the rare occasion we do. Indycar with it's spec everything and 7 year old homologated chassis is about 100X more exciting to watch than current F1. Hell, the Netflix show about the 2018 F1 season was more interesting than the actual 2018 F1 season.

TLDR: Kill aero. Should've been done 15 years ago. Racing might come back once the cars can safely get w/in 1-2 lengths of each other again without it ruining how they drive.
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