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Old 07-28-2019, 10:44 AM   #501
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This is one of the most entertaining races I've seen in a while
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Old 07-28-2019, 10:54 AM   #502
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Hamilton falls apart.
Bottas can't get past Stroll and tosses it.
Vettel needs to get his butt going.
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Old 07-28-2019, 10:56 AM   #503
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this race is nuts - but for the wrong reasons - it's pretty much been a case of crash - right place - crash - right place.


Honda 1-2.

Formula 1.5 wins!
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Old 07-28-2019, 11:05 AM   #504
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Wretched race by Gasly.
Max wins
Vettel gets 2nd after starting last
Torpeado man 3rd !
Lewis 11th.
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Old 07-28-2019, 11:24 AM   #505
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Great fun to watch.
They should soak all the tracks before/during the race. It would be great entertainment.
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:13 PM   #506
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^^^ That. Or hold it in conditions like this year's WEC race at Spa. Needs more chaos to keep things interesting and "improve the show".
Ferrari have found their way to get VET onto the podium - he needs to start next to last at every remaining race for the rest of the season. And pray for rain. Lots of it.
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Old 07-28-2019, 03:48 PM   #507
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The result:

Pos Driver Team
1 Verstappen Red Bull
2 Vettel Ferrari
3 Kvyat Toro Rosso
4 Stroll Racing Point
5 Sainz McLaren
6 Albon Toro Rosso
7 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
8 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
9 Grosjean Haas
10 Magnussen Haas
11 Hamilton Mercedes
12 Kubica Williams
13 Russell Williams
14 Gasly Red Bull 61 + 3 Laps
Bottas Mercedes 56 Spun Off
Hulkenberg Renault 39 Spun Off
Leclerc Ferrari 27 Spun Off
Norris McLaren 25 Loss of Power
Ricciardo Renault 13 Exhaust
Perez Racing Point 1 Spun Off

Both Alfa cars got 30 sec penalty for violating clutch rules at the start.
So Lewis 9th and Kubica 10th ( yes you heard it right) are in the points.
Both Haas drivers hit each other again. ( at least they got some points out this )
Don't know who gets donkey of the day here:
Bottas for getting stuck behind Stroll and crashing out trying ( at least Vettel made short work of Stroll)
Gasly for piddling around mid pack. He should of got a podium out this.
Honda takes a dig at Alonso after Honda's second win (Two Honda power cars on the podium).

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id...econd-win-2019.

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Old 07-28-2019, 07:47 PM   #508
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Great job getting Lewis in the points, FIA.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:37 AM   #509
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Agree on this^^^
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:32 AM   #510
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What dip****s voted Verstappen Driver of the Day over Vettel?
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:32 AM   #511
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Wow.

Ok, I kind of stand corrected... Max is a star. He's still a bit of a bonehead though.

Anyways.... crazy race Period.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:49 AM   #512
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Great job getting Lewis in the points, FIA.
eh, Leclerc is the one that got lucky with a team fine for the unsafe release. Every team would pay a fine versus taking a time penalty. Too bad he wasted that and his free pit stops with the safety car timing by running into the wall

I really wanted to see Hulk get on the podium. Shame about that wall again


Here's a side by side showing the difference between how Hamilton and Bottas handled their spins:

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Old 07-29-2019, 11:53 AM   #513
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Absolute stormer of a race! I'm so glad we got a standing start and despite all of the mayhem, not too much time spent behind the safety car.

I wonder how Mercedes felt at their sponsored GP with all their celebratory hoopla strewn about when the crowd at their home grand prix went bonkers every time their drivers went off. As a fan, I felt the same as the crowd, so pleased to see Goliath stumble. Bottas stuffing it trying to catch Stroll was great and Hamilton going off, smashing his front wing, not having any tires ready, going off another time where Bottas did, what a breath of fresh air!

Gutted for Leclerc but he wasn't the only driver to go off there. In fact, I can think of 1/4 of the grid that did just off the top of my head. Still, it was a possible race win thrown away, the 3rd or 4th that has slipped through his fingers thus far this year. Unbelievable drive from Vettel from 20th to 2nd! There were a lot of factors at play, but they made the best of almost every scenario and got a great result! Happy for him after last year's heartbreak.

Anyone could have won that one but Verstappen drove a great race and survived the carnage and mixed conditions, so kudos to him. Gasly, you're just throwing it away. I don't even know what to say.

Except that Kvyat's redemption drive couldn't have been timed any better. Albon was right up there as well and if it weren't for one traffic jam where he lost 3 or 4 places at once in the last stint, he could have been up there. He's really impressed me this year as I expected Kvyat to dominate the rookie. If anyone is going to replace Gasly, I still think it should be Kvyat, though. He's been there before, he's matured and has more experience. Throwing an inexperienced Albon in there to replace the inexperienced Gasly that was thrown in there seems far more risky to me.

Bad luck for Norris but again, Sainz is up there scoring good points for McLaren. They have a strong pairing but honestly, the car is just much better this year. There's no other way to explain the turnaround from last year. Nice to see them up battling for decent points rather than scrapping away at the back.

Perez, I thought you were good in the wet. Y u do dis? Big opportunity thrown away. Stroll has historically been very strong in the wet and almost snagged another podium! He's awful on Saturday and decent on Sundays but seems to shine in the rain, however one would do that.

Hulkenberg, forever the bridesmaid, never the bride. I don't think the podium will ever come for him. There are so few races where Merc isn't locking out 1 or 2 podium spots along with Ferrari and Red Bull, you gotta take advantage of situations like this. But like Brazil 2012 (I believe it was), and all of the other missed opportunities, he just doesn't put it together when it's all on the line. Shame RIC's car shat the bed. I know they hoped to close the gap to Red Bull but the results are just not there. For a factory team with their resources, the results are unacceptable, frankly.

Of course both Haas cars manage to hit each other in the exact same way they did in Silverstone that caused a double DNF. They got lucky this time and both finished in the points but they continue to be a nightmare pairing to deal with.

Bummer for Alfa and their start procedure. I'm still not entirely clear of what happened there, if it was an accident or deliberate or what. But from what I understand, both cars had a different mapping for the wet start. The procedure was abnormal with the extra sighting laps behind the safety car and a standing start afterwards, so that may have contributed to it. Either way, shame to end up with nothing thanks to a start that made 0 difference.

Wow, for Kubica to get a point in his first wet race after a decade is bonkers! Obviously, being the dead last time, a lot of others had to have a lot of misfortune but that's racing. Keeping it on the track in horrible conditions is a prerequisite to scoring points. "First you must finish" and all of that. Speaking of which, Williams is the only team to have both cars finish every race this year, which is mind-boggling.

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What dip****s voted Verstappen Driver of the Day over Vettel?
He managed to win from the front row, what a drive! No idea why they even do that online voting trash. The same people are going to vote for Max every race because he's their guy. It's just a weekly "What driver has more fans?" poll.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:32 PM   #514
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I don't recall hearing the race announcers mention that it was a double podium for Honda, their first in almost 30 years and quite an achievement considering their recent track record. That's kind of a big deal, Martin.
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Bummer for Alfa and their start procedure. I'm still not entirely clear of what happened there, if it was an accident or deliberate or what. But from what I understand, both cars had a different mapping for the wet start. The procedure was abnormal with the extra sighting laps behind the safety car and a standing start afterwards, so that may have contributed to it. Either way, shame to end up with nothing thanks to a start that made 0 difference.
Kimi had a great start, the penalty imposed was due to settings that would help with a start in tricky conditions.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...each-explained
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:10 PM   #516
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eh, Leclerc is the one that got lucky with a team fine for the unsafe release. Every team would pay a fine versus taking a time penalty. Too bad he wasted that and his free pit stops with the safety car timing by running into the wall
This x1000. Financial penalty during the race, when has that ever happened before? Fines for wheels falling off cars but not for events that gain an advantage. The team screwed up for releasing him, the car should take the penalty.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:14 PM   #517
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I don't recall hearing the race announcers mention that it was a double podium for Honda, their first in almost 30 years and quite an achievement considering their recent track record. That's kind of a big deal, Martin.
Hmmmmm I heard of it A LOT. I think all the podium finishers got a ton of attention for different reasons....
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Do the drivers have a minimum lap time when SC is out? KMag, Kubica, Russell, Hami... all were far behind the pack during the lap 59 safety car, they were lapping around 2:00, the leaders behind the SC were doing very similar times, but then it looks like Hami does a 1:20 just before the SC comes in, actually goes green in sector 2 and purple in sector 3. I don't understand how the backmarkers don't catch up to the pack unless they are severely restricted on time. And obviously you can't have them bombing around at 100%, at a minimum they need to be way off the pace near the incident.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:27 PM   #519
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Renault truck crashes en-route to Hungary
https://www.planetf1.com/news/renaul...te-to-hungary/
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:24 AM   #520
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Must have been Hulkenberg driving that truck...
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:41 AM   #521
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Pastor Maldonado has to be doing something now that he's crashed out of F1 for good, right?
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Pastor Maldonado has to be doing something now that he's crashed out of F1 for good, right?
he's still too busy crashing racecars


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Old 07-30-2019, 11:35 AM   #523
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I must have missed it, what happened to Lewis potential penalty for too slow under safety car?
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:39 AM   #524
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nothing, some blabla delta problems because his car was here the SC was there something that never happened before we must look into this...nothing
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I must have missed it, what happened to Lewis potential penalty for too slow under safety car?
because car 44 pitted due to his own incident during the VSC/Safety Car period, and the subsequent long pit stop, he had completed one less lap under the safety car than the cars around him.

“This meant that he was obliged to drive to the delta time, while the cars around him were attempting to safely catch the Safety Car. This gave the appearance that he was driving unnecessarily slowly, however in the view of the stewards he was following the regulation.”
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