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Old 03-28-2018, 01:45 PM   #6326
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They might find this revelation quite shocking
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:12 PM   #6327
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How long in this conversation were you waiting to use that one... lol

Rules guru did confirm. You can run ANY shock. Any = Any

Xian's response on facebook was get ready to defend that one in impound.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:16 PM   #6328
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You wouldn't have to worry about it if you bought the JRZ's.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:21 PM   #6329
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You wouldn't have to worry about it if you bought the JRZ's.
I already checked the pimp shock fund bank account once today... It said no...lol
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:24 PM   #6330
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I already checked the pimp shock fund bank account once today... It said no...lol
If mommy says no, go ask daddy.

I'm honestly surprised that Christian was so adamant about it since I'd never heard of shocks being restricted (other than what was mentioned about dimensions/mounting points) outside of street. I think he'd be disappointed though given the PC at an event would read the rule book and pretty much point to "any" and say the protest wasn't well founded.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:33 PM   #6331
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If mommy says no, go ask daddy.

I'm honestly surprised that Christian was so adamant about it since I'd never heard of shocks being restricted (other than what was mentioned about dimensions/mounting points) outside of street. I think he'd be disappointed though given the PC at an event would read the rule book and pretty much point to "any" and say the protest wasn't well founded.
Mommy knows where my guns are and knows how to use them... that's why I stick to the car parts bank account... lol

I will say this is the very first and only thing that Christian has been wrong about since I've been talking to him about racing stuff, and it sounds like he got the information from other folks... so the odds of someone having to defend this rule in impound are VERY high if this is a popular view amongst others. So the fact that he disagreed enough to make us escalate was useful in itself.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:41 PM   #6332
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I would laugh at that protest. Considering the PC wouldn't even uphold/didn't even know about literally the only bolded part of the rulebook bwhahaha
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:41 PM   #6333
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What was his response to the STAC's answer?
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:43 PM   #6334
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What was his response to the STAC's answer?
He said to make sure we could hold up to argument to the matter in impound.

*holds up dictionary points to definition of "Any"*
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:49 PM   #6335
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Great, you asked the STAC? Incoming take back proposal next month. Good work.
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:55 PM   #6336
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I look forward to seeing everyone in SM.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:07 PM   #6337
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I look forward to seeing everyone in SM.
Ugh. Its so annoying. I currently have a fully prepped SP car, that has been since buried in its class, and the SPAC refuses to acknowledge my letters, and an ST car that I have to constantly try and defend some sort of rules stability every damn month. But I also don't want to build an SM car at the moment. I literally just bough yet another OEM shortblock to be STU compliant, and also a brand new OEM gearbox.

ASP, in my opinion, is a stupid place for a Subaru anyways ever since they put all the turbo ones on the same line. Index wise, ASP and SM are so close that it also doesn't make any sense to make a stop in ASP either since you can make an STi so much more fun, and do things the right way in SM as opposed to ASP. Not sure if your regions race on PAX or not, but mine does. Have you noticed how easy the ESP pax is? Its basically the same as STU. The STU M3s, of which we have several awesome local STU ones, go to ESP.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:13 PM   #6338
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Great, you asked the STAC? Incoming take back proposal next month. Good work.
Because of all the drama all over facebook autox threads about, I find this VERY funny...

I'd be pissed about the take back to if it affected me, but if they change the rule they change the rule. Ya you might have buy different seats or ballast the ones you have in there.

I feel like the majority of the people in ST* wont be affected by the change. A lot of the national level folks are the ones that will be affected because they were striving for that 100% prepared state.

That is why they have letters... and are soliciting feedback.

I wrote my letter for open boost, everyone else should write their letters for this.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:18 PM   #6339
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I think I've written so many letters at this point I think mine get automatically sent to their trash.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:22 PM   #6340
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Ugh. Its so annoying. I currently have a fully prepped SP car, that has been since buried in its class, and the SPAC refuses to acknowledge my letters, and an ST car that I have to constantly try and defend some sort of rules stability every damn month. But I also don't want to build an SM car at the moment. I literally just bough yet another OEM shortblock to be STU compliant, and also a brand new OEM gearbox.

ASP, in my opinion, is a stupid place for a Subaru anyways ever since they put all the turbo ones on the same line. Index wise, ASP and SM are so close that it also doesn't make any sense to make a stop in ASP either since you can make an STi so much more fun, and do things the right way in SM as opposed to ASP. Not sure if your regions race on PAX or not, but mine does. Have you noticed how easy the ESP pax is? Its basically the same as STU. The STU M3s, of which we have several awesome local STU ones, go to ESP.
I actually buy my parts from a part out guy in MI who does it for a living. It's easy to get stock parts in reasonable shape for not a lot. If you want the info let me know. Engines are likely a bit rougher though and a fresh case is never a bad idea. But I have all the tools to rebuild 6-speeds now along with a few spare center sections.

We do run on PAX for pro class here, but our pro class is so big it's split into slicks and street tires, so I rarely run against street tire cars.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:22 PM   #6341
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Or filed under "not this guy again".

Everything that I could possibly need again goes into my attic. I wish I had kept my factory sway bars...

I literally have half an STi in my attic by this point.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:24 PM   #6342
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We do run on PAX for pro class here, but our pro class is so big it's split into slicks and street tires, so I rarely run against street tire cars.
The CCR pro classes mean business to... They will take your lunch money.

I'm usually top 10ish for the whole event in Atlanta... Not at CCR... I have fight my way into the top 30 there. I did however finish 8th in Street Tire last time I came up.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:31 PM   #6343
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I actually buy my parts from a part out guy in MI who does it for a living. It's easy to get stock parts in reasonable shape for not a lot. If you want the info let me know. Engines are likely a bit rougher though and a fresh case is never a bad idea. But I have all the tools to rebuild 6-speeds now along with a few spare center sections.

We do run on PAX for pro class here, but our pro class is so big it's split into slicks and street tires, so I rarely run against street tire cars.
Our whole region is PAX based points, not just the pro class. We have a pretty large national contingent too, so the competition is very close. I finished second, just behind Dorsey last season. Whom frustratingly, I would have had if it wasn't for sound DNFs lol

A friend of mine locally rebuilds Subaru gearboxes, I actually only had to buy new syncros, a DCCD and output shaft, and threw in a newer oem front diff. The DCCD and output shaft grenaded. Heuberger slings so many oem shorblocks around these neck of the woods, that their pricing is around $1800, which isn't too bad, and considering the amount of time and effort replacing everything from spun bearings, reasonable.
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Our whole region is PAX based points, not just the pro class. We have a pretty large national contingent too, so the competition is very close. I finished second, just behind Dorsey last season. Whom frustratingly, I would have had if it wasn't for sound DNFs lol

A friend of mine locally rebuilds Subaru gearboxes, I actually only had to buy new syncros, a DCCD and output shaft, and threw in a newer oem front diff. The DCCD and output shaft grenaded. Heuberger slings so many oem shorblocks around these neck of the woods, that their pricing is around $1800, which isn't too bad, and considering the amount of time and effort replacing everything from spun bearings, reasonable.
That's fair. There's nothing OEM in my case any more besides the oil pump so I tend to just buy the empty shell and fill it up.
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The CCR pro classes mean business to... They will take your lunch money.

I'm usually top 10ish for the whole event in Atlanta... Not at CCR... I have fight my way into the top 30 there. I did however finish 8th in Street Tire last time I came up.
Yeah, it's saying something to be first in pax there. I think I've done it maybe 2-3 times in the 7 years I've been running there. Tons of 2nd and 3rd place finishes though. Still, it's very humbling to a lot of people.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:38 PM   #6346
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I love the competition, good firm humbling competition makes you faster if you use it the correct way. Plus if there are fast people... there are fast people to learn from...
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:26 AM   #6347
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Wanted to follow up with how my alignment went yesterday.

I wanted...
-3.0 camber front
1/16" toe out front
-1.5 camber rear
0 toe rear (until I determined how the rear was with the larger rear swaybar)


Initial numbers were...

-2.1 degrees camber, both sides
-0.25 degrees(?) toe out, both sides (this is near 1/8", correct?)

-2.2 and -2.6 degrees camber rear (not adjustable unless I go with aftermarket camber bolts)
0.05 toe in (virtually zero)

.... also found the front tie rod adjustments were completely seized. Given the alignment was mostly where it needed to be, I left it. I'd love more camber up front, but that's with camber bolts in the bottom and the stock bolt in top, both maxed out.

If anything, I'd prefer the rear with less camber, but we'll see how it handles like this. I'm slightly concerned with the toe in the front as I've seen the inner tire wear down a bit more than the rest.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:29 AM   #6348
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I just went and looked at your setup. On 225s you might not be able to make the most of more extreme camber, but with stock STi springs you'll probably want more than what you have noe. I would consider slotting your front struts to try and get closer to your goal of -3, or at least -2.5. Did your alignment shop try torching the stuck tie rods? Sometimes that will break them loose. If that's your street setup, I would try and resolve that quickly, toe kills tires.

Edit: one thing to watch out for if you slot the struts is inboard tire clearance (to the strut body), you should be ok with 225s depending on offset, but it's something to keep in mind if you plan to go wider. Camber plates are a better long-term solution.

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Old 03-29-2018, 12:29 PM   #6349
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Did your alignment shop try torching the stuck tie rods? Sometimes that will break them loose. If that's your street setup, I would try and resolve that quickly, toe kills tires.
Yep, they did try torching them. They work on a lot of autocross setups too. Suckers were glowing red and still didn't move. They haven't been adjusted in 5 years here in PA (rust belt) and I was still daily driving it 2 years ago, so I can see why it's seized.

Luckily I don't daily drive the car now. Just to and from events about 30 minutes away. I put less than 3k miles per year on it. Just hoping the RE71's don't wear through so quickly on the insides. I'll have to keep an eye on them. The real solution here is new inner and outer tie rods.

I did see more inside wear on my previous two setups (RS3's and the all seasons). However, by the time the tire was done, I was barely seeing a change in compound color on the insides to the next layer of material.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:11 PM   #6350
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Nope, no defense on my side other than it’s what I’ve remembered the rule being for ages. I checked a couple years back and don’t see any reference to it either so I’m either 100% wrong or it changed st some point in the last 10-15 years. I’m fairly certain that it used to be a rule and I recall having seen Nats car with adjusters locked down... but hey, maybe I just had this one wrong.

I agree wholeheartedly that reading the rule with fresh eyes tells me it’s open... any number of adjustments and any amount of pimpiness is legal.
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