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Old 01-10-2019, 01:47 PM   #26
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You have multiple cars in the household though right? I drove the Leaf as my only car for 3 years and Chademo was definitely needed and used. Not all the time but was definitely used on the reg. 40-50 miles from home well Iím not going to use public L2 charging and be stuck somewhere 3 hours. Chademo was 20 minutes to get enough juice to get back home to my L2 charging.

If itís a 2nd or additional car in the household then of course it isnít as big of an issue.
Part of that was also your limited range. if you had 200+ miles to use, how often would you have needed the Chademo charger?
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:21 PM   #27
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Part of that was also your limited range. if you had 200+ miles to use, how often would you have needed the Chademo charger?
Not the OP, but I make two trips +/- a year where more than 200 miles of range is required (230ish one way, nearly all highway), it's out into the sticks of New Hampshire too, so no reasonable charging on the way, and only L1 charging at the end of the line (aka wall outlet).

I'd be comfortable doing it in a 300mi range EV, get there with a little juice to spare in case we decide we want to make an off-course meal trip; plug the bugger in while I'm not using it, L1 is what, 4.5mi of range per hour or something, so call the delta 200 additional miles of range required for the return trip 300-270=x-230, but that's still nearly 2 full days plugged into an L1 charger; granted, when I'm up there I don't do much driving, mostly staggering to and from the water/boat, and don't worry, I don't drive the boat, I fish around in the cooler; so it would be doable, probably nerve racking the first couple times though.

But honestly it's a family owned "log cabin" I'd be stopping at, so if I were to make the plunge for an EV, everyone would be fine with me installing an L2 charger.

Model 3 LR RWD is 318 highway, so that would give me plenty of wiggle room; anything short of that though, and we'd just take the wife's car.

We hit the cape a couple times a year as well (200mi one way), no charging at the end of the line though, so the wife's car would likely be required, however, there are charging locations near where we stay, so if I wanted to play the EV game on hard mode, I could probably make it work.

For about 80% of my use however, a 150mi EV would suit, I just don't like FF or slow because then I just do a cost-benefit analysis and it doesn't make financial sense, yet anyways.

The other hindrance for me, is that my house has a gambrel roof (think barn roof) and no solar company I've talked to will install on the steeper portion, so I can only mount a 3kW array up there, which doesn't even cover my current electricity usage, let alone the additional usage an EV would bring to the party (est. at 5,317kWh for 15k miles per year); I'd need at least an 8kW array to cover my current usage and an EV with no excess generation (eg. for a second EV)

Maybe when more EV's hit the market, and range goes up/price goes down I'll go ground mounted solar and take down some trees in my back acre, but until then, I'm going to keep pumping dinosaurs into my tank.

The real kicker is that my wife is less picky than me about cars and could daily an EV, but we bought her a new car in 2017 and she holds onto them for about ten years, basically until I tell her it's cheaper to buy a new one than to fix the old one, and since she is all about J-VIN slow Toyota's you can imagine how easy she is to convince and how often they need something. So maybe in 2027 I'll get her into an EV, unless Toyota is still offering a slow, ff, mt hatch at the time.
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:52 PM   #28
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Is there a standard drier outlet there? You can buy L2 portable chargers that are a decent price. Plug into a drier outlet and charge up in 6-8 hours.
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Part of that was also your limited range. if you had 200+ miles to use, how often would you have needed the Chademo charger?
If I would have had 120 mile range I would have never needed Chademo or DC fast charging so yes the range was a limitation. 84 mile range when you are driving to a destination that is 50+ miles away, itís needed unless you are gonna hang at that destination for a few hours. I didnít. Chademo meant pulling in and charging for 15 minutes to have juice to get back with some extra in case of a detour. My metro is pretty large, 4th largest in US. I could make it anywhere in the metro easily, but the outer rim, thatís where Iíd need to charge and not wanting to wait Iíd always go to the DC fast chargers. Great thing about them is it is quick. I never charged for more than 15 minutes. You get what you need to get back home.

For here, 150 mile range is the sweet spot. Anything more than that is just icing and not needed. 300 mile range and the thing could easily be a road trip car.
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yeah,
My mileage criteria was 180 miles. We have a couple of beach properties that we visit 6-10 times a year. I have no problems with L2 chargers there, so if I can make the trip I am 100% ok with a daily EV. Any farther and we would probably fly, or at least make a 30+ minute stop to eat and use the restrooms. Perfect for a L3 quick charge.
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Is there a standard drier outlet there? You can buy L2 portable chargers that are a decent price. Plug into a drier outlet and charge up in 6-8 hours.
Yes and No - it's on the wrong side of the "log cabin" so it would need like 200ft+/- of extension cord to make it to the parking area.

I put log cabin in quotes because it's a house with 5 beds, 2 baths & modern HVAC that is technically a log cabin, maybe I should all it a lodge instead.
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