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Old 11-19-2020, 02:08 PM   #76
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Subaru can make a car look boring without even trying.
But I'm saying that they don't try to spice it up by taking their boring car and making it some bright color and in front of an all black background with vertical lights, making it look like some hip photoshoot.
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Old 11-19-2020, 05:07 PM   #77
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I love it. I kinda liked the last one too, but eventually reluctantly agreed the faux vents on the rear ends were a bit much.

What I like about this is the slope of the hood to a deliberately low-slung three rectangle fascia design. If you had put me in a time machine from the late nineties and brought me to look at this, I would definitely see the front fascia lineage from 90's era Hondas like the Integra, Accord Coupe, CL etc to this new front fascia (something I couldn't say about the last several Civics). I hope for an uprated Si (hopefully 2L with better cooling, even if the power level isn't improved much), but I won't hold my breath.
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:18 AM   #78
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it has some Accord and a CT5 in it.
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Old 01-07-2021, 09:21 AM   #79
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Our spies have caught the new Civic in hatchback guise.

Towards the end of 2020, Honda was spotted driving a camouflaged test mule for the next-generation Civic sedan. Not long after, Honda revealed the Civic Prototype, a first look at the 2022 11th generation Civic model. Both the test mule and the prototype only previewed the sedan body style, but we know that a 2022 Honda Civic Hatchback is also coming. After the hatchback's design was leaked in some official patent images, our spy photographers have now given us a better look at the car in real life.

This is the first time we've spotted the Civic Hatchback out testing, and it was spied in Germany near Honda's European test center. Though the car is still wearing camouflage, it's easy to tell that it looks very close to the Civic Prototype with a different rear end.

Seeing the car in person, it's easy to tell that Honda will tone down the styling for this Civic generation. The 10th generation Civic was controversial for its outrageous styling, even in base guise without the Si or Type R upgrades. Honda hasn't specified what engines will sit under the hood of the next-generation Civic, though it's assumed that normally aspirated and turbocharged engines will continue to be available. This hatchback body style will eventually spawn a Type R model and with the coupe body style being discontinued for the eleventh generation, there's a possibility that Honda could offer a Civic Si Hatchback as well.

Unlike the last Civic Hatchback, which was built in the UK, this new model will likely be built in the United States. With around 20% of Civic sales, the hatchback is far less popular in the US market than the sedan, but it vastly outsold the now-discontinued coupe, which only accounted for 6% of Civic sales.

Expect the Civic Hatchback to make its official production debut sometime during the summer of 2021.









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Old 01-07-2021, 10:37 AM   #80
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It's more of a lift-back than hatchback than currently. It's interesting that Honda is avoiding a real hatchback design.
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Old 01-07-2021, 10:43 AM   #81
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It's more of a lift-back than hatchback than currently. It's interesting that Honda is avoiding a real hatchback design.
General agreement is the current hatch is really a liftback. It's why I bought it, the long hatch was more useful for me (lots of work bags and boxes).

But the new one looks even moreso. If they make an Si hatch I'll trade in my sedan for it (avoiding buggy first model year). I can't go back to an open diff.
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It's more of a lift-back than hatchback than currently. It's interesting that Honda is avoiding a real hatchback design.
Likely to ensure it sells in the USA. Am I the only person that feels the hoodline doesn't fit with the rest of the car's side profile? Maybe it's just the camo playing tricks but the hood looks abruptly horizontal to me for some reason.
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General agreement is the current hatch is really a liftback. It's why I bought it, the long hatch was more useful for me (lots of work bags and boxes).

But the new one looks even moreso. If they make an Si hatch I'll trade in my sedan for it (avoiding buggy first model year). I can't go back to an open diff.
I prefer a lift back to a sedan and hope they make a Si hatch/liftback. It's interesting that they chose this design approach to have a "hatch" look more like the sedan.

The last time I recall a mainstream brand that did this was the first gen Mazda 6 and ultimately, the liftback disappeared.

Manufacturers are more and more hesitant on offering a real hatchback in the U.S. or really compromise it so you have to decide if you really want one vs a sedan or CUV. But again they would rather you move up to a CUV. More conventional hatchbacks are disappearing.
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Old 01-07-2021, 01:19 PM   #84
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Likely to ensure it sells in the USA. Am I the only person that feels the hoodline doesn't fit with the rest of the car's side profile? Maybe it's just the camo playing tricks but the hood looks abruptly horizontal to me for some reason.
The Civic sedan has the same hood look. It definitely carries Accord's horizontal hood traits.
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General agreement is the current hatch is really a liftback. It's why I bought it, the long hatch was more useful for me (lots of work bags and boxes).

But the new one looks even moreso. If they make an Si hatch I'll trade in my sedan for it (avoiding buggy first model year). I can't go back to an open diff.
Do not think the Si will come in hatch. It will remain a sedan, otherwise people will opt for the Si hatch put in a Hondata ECU, intake, exhaust and forget the Type R.
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That front end needs braces.

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Front end does not flow with the windshield, its a very bizarre looking shape. It is a baby CrossTour, which was hideous. Words cannot describe the ugliness that was the CrossTour. I love the shape of the current 10th Gen hatch. Though the sedan is ugly from the C pillar back. Honda didn't really need to do much for the 11th Gen, just evolve the shape of the hatch but change the rear of the sedan.

This 11th Gen, the front some reason reminds me of the Scion TC.
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Front end does not flow with the windshield, its a very bizarre looking shape. It is a baby CrossTour, which was hideous. Words cannot describe the ugliness that was the CrossTour. I love the shape of the current 10th Gen hatch. Though the sedan is ugly from the C pillar back. Honda didn't really need to do much for the 11th Gen, just evolve the shape of the hatch but change the rear of the sedan.

This 11th Gen, the front some reason reminds me of the Scion TC.
Honda has a tradition of screwing up every other generation Civic. The 8th Gen was great and so is the 10th. If this one isn't an amazing car, amazing enough to make up for the looks, we're looking at a redo of the 9th gen.
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The fastback look is dorky on a sedan. No thanks.
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Do not think the Si will come in hatch. It will remain a sedan, otherwise people will opt for the Si hatch put in a Hondata ECU, intake, exhaust and forget the Type R.
I actually think they will because the hatch will be built in the U.S. now. Them keeping the 1.5T in the Si is going to limit its capabilities compared to the 2.0T of the Type R. There's a chance that they could make the Si hatch only. Subaru has had great success by offering the WRX and STI in the same body. Hyundai offers the Veloster R-spec and N. Both are configured in the same drive wheels.
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Front end does not flow with the windshield, its a very bizarre looking shape. It is a baby CrossTour, which was hideous. Words cannot describe the ugliness that was the CrossTour. I love the shape of the current 10th Gen hatch. Though the sedan is ugly from the C pillar back. Honda didn't really need to do much for the 11th Gen, just evolve the shape of the hatch but change the rear of the sedan.

This 11th Gen, the front some reason reminds me of the Scion TC.
Front end will look the same as this. The sedan also looked pretty ugly in camo but looks much better imo in the flesh.

It's only the back end that'll look different - probably needs a trunk spoiler like the current hatch, which the spy car is lacking - probably a lower trim.



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Old 01-07-2021, 08:24 PM   #92
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The fastback look is dorky on a sedan. No thanks.
I think it looks great in Type R form.

This is a rendering based on the sedan and spy shots of the hatch Type R.

I like this better than 10th gen Type R. Less boy racer, more audi/bmw-like.



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Yeah man, water it down and make it look like everything else.
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Yeah man, water it down and make it look like everything else.
I shouldn't say I like the 11th gen R better just that the toned down looks suit my situation better.
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In all honesty that hatch looks dorky but I am sure Honda will sell a ton of them. If they want to tone it down just put in a Audi S7/RS7, Tesla Model X spoiler.

@subyski,

I would love to see a Si in hatch trim. Having driven the 10th gen in Coupe/Sedan variants I was blown away by chassis dynamics of the car. I cannot imagine the Type R with the special front end setup.
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Front end will look the same as this. The sedan also looked pretty ugly in camo but looks much better imo in the flesh.

It's only the back end that'll look different - probably needs a trunk spoiler like the current hatch, which the spy car is lacking - probably a lower trim.
That car would be so much better looking if it lost the overbite.
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That front end needs braces.

It reminds me of the long protruding hoods on old 60s & 70s BMWs.

My only concern with the new liftback is that I may confuse the Kammback shape for my Clarity in a parking lot.
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That car would be so much better looking if it lost the overbite.
Honda has shown to be pretty stubborn when it comes to sticking with bad styling cues. The Acura beak and the droopy Honda grille have never looked attractive. Take away the goofy front grill, horizontal hood, and these Type R renders are solid and a an immense improvement over the current car that looks like a F&F reject. The lines are clean and there's none of that "trying too hard" look. The taillights in particular are a massive improvement. The old boomerang tail lights looks dimestore cheap.

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taillights & rear 3/4 view remind me of Audi/VAG offerings, nose however looks like it's on the eleventh generation of inbreeding, or that it's been run into a guardrail
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I think it looks great in Type R form.
looks are all subjective. Still looks dorky to me, the big wing doesn't hide it - I'd want to remove the big wing anyway. I appreciate the little bit of added utility that a liftback provides, but just don't like it on a sedan. A coupe, sure, but on a sedan, it just looks meh. I'm a euro car fan... give me a modern EG hatch please. actually, I'd just prefer the Honda E.
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