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Old 02-22-2003, 02:19 PM   #1
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This is not a TEEN hate thread ok, because everyone has been a teen.......

............Press Enterprise newspaper.....................

3 teens in a 2002 Mustang Cobra were driving on Piegeon Pass Rd.( These roads are midley challenging, not canyon runs, and not roads to go to the grocery store). driver 17yr Softmore in HS, passengers about the same age. The drive about 100mph, on a bend spin out and the driver dies, passengers are seriously injured. Driver was a 4.0 student at John North HS(pretty competitve HS for the area, many smart kids here).

1st off I am not questioning his intelligence, its obvious he was a bright kid, but that age there is a lot peer pressure on being "cool" or showing off, this doesnt mean that older people do, but we have better judgements in certain scenarios.

2nd, I do not put the entire blame on the teen. Parents should share at least 50% of the blame. Why would parents give a kid a 300+hp car? Would you give them a loaded shot gun? and have them show it to their friends, NO then whey would you give them a car that is potentially just as dangerous?

Its just another sad story to a kid that made one little mistake, that caused a big tragedy................

Intelligence and responability does not depend on one another. For my kids, when i have them will drive the safest and slowest cars on the market. Best gas milage, and best safety. Because trash cars at that age, I did. Took my Ford Aspire(63 hp, 40 WHP) everywhere, the mountains, in the snow, and to Lake Tahoe with 3 people and luggage.

Sorry I had to vent after reading that story.
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:34 PM   #2
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If the kid was so smart, how come he was seventeen and still only a sophomore in high school?
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:37 PM   #3
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Evolution at work. Its a beutiful thing. More proof that good grades in school do not equate to having common sense.
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:38 PM   #4
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If the kid was so smart, how come he was seventeen and still only a sophomore in high school?
My thoughts exactly
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:43 PM   #5
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guys the kid is dead. let's not be too harsh here. i'm glad to be alive now after all the dumb crap i did when i was a teenager. who is to say that he wasn't a good kid who made a dumb mistake. my first car was a big block camaro. lots of power, almost no handling or braking prowess at all. i could probably name about 5 times that i could have killed myself in that car. i like to think of myself as a responsible, productive member of society now (at the age of 27).

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Old 02-22-2003, 02:45 PM   #6
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My first car was an Olds 442, followed by a 1978 Ford Ranger with a 390 big block and 4WD and I followed that up by buying a motorcycle. Never got a ticket or accident in any of them. I'm 29yrs old now and thankful my parents kicked my ass when I did something stupid when I was really young. I quickly learned being a dumbass can be very painful.
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:47 PM   #7
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:50 PM   #8
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Thats sad, he had his whole life ahead of him. It doesnt take much when youre a teen or an adult to get caught up in the moment and make a very bad choice. His lack of experience in a high power car didnt help either. I only hope people can learn from this..and its stuff like this that keeps me from driving wrecklessly. I guess I fear the consequences too much because I am aware of them.
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Old 02-22-2003, 03:02 PM   #9
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My first car was an Olds 442
OH OH!!! What year!!!
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Old 02-22-2003, 03:04 PM   #10
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2nd, I do not put the entire blame on the teen. Parents should share at least 50% of the blame. Why would parents give a kid a 300+hp car? Would you give them a loaded shot gun? and have them show it to their friends, NO then whey would you give them a car that is potentially just as dangerous?
I guess they thought they could trust him like a lot of parents do their kids. Was this the first time they let him take the car? He could of been driving it for 6 months with no problems. I still wouldn't let him borrow it, but that's me. If he wrecked like 6 cars before this one then the parents are idiots. It doesn't matter if the car had 300+hp or 63 hp it still can be consider a loaded shot gun in the wrong hands.

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Old 02-23-2003, 07:10 AM   #11
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Well I'm a 18 year old male driving a WRX as my first car ever. It's also my first stick shift car ever. I don't think I'm spoiled, but my parents always new I was very much into cars and got me this precious baby. (Please, no hates nor rants for my sake!) However, I don't brag about it and trust me, I tend to be very paranoid about my car meaning drive like a grandma in the WRX cause I know how much this car means to me and don't want to damage it.

I get so caught up and paranoid to make sure I don't wreck it that I pamper it and drive the limits. However, I'll admit I've launched and raced a couple of times on a street before. Anyways, my point being is that yeah, we're teens that are young and daring. Despite all of that, just want to point out that some of us have a lot of common sense and some are just plain stupid. Hopefully I categorize in the smart bunch. Also, all because you're book smart doesn't mean you're logical. I believe I have common sense and logic to not do what this teen did.

Anyways, sorry to say but this teen was his own stupid doing... don't want to be so mean but apparently he had no clue of how dangerous it can really get driving so fast. Unfortunately bystanders or not, his friends are also in serious condition. The classic but true "I told you so!" about driving wrecklessly causes consequences.

I'll admit this is definately a wake up call to drive much more appropriately safer for me since I do tend to speed, etc. I'm working on being safer just for my own sake and my car. Anyways, unfortunately this incident occurred. Remember folks, Initial D and other arcade games are virtual reality. Don't do stuff like that in real life and keep our roads safe!

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Old 02-23-2003, 07:18 AM   #12
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Even though we talk alot about the teenage drivers in sports cars the group that is actually the most dangerous is the elderly. They are statistically more dangerous on the roads then any teenager in a sports. They don't have to retake a road test when they turn 65 and in fact the AARP has gone out of its way to make sure no state starts to restrict their right to drive dangerously.
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Old 02-23-2003, 07:30 AM   #13
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Many states do test the elderly at regular intervals.
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:11 AM   #14
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This is not a TEEN hate thread ok, because everyone has been a teen.......

............Press Enterprise newspaper.....................

3 teens in a 2002 Mustang Cobra were driving on Piegeon Pass Rd.( These roads are midley challenging, not canyon runs, and not roads to go to the grocery store). driver 17yr Softmore in HS, passengers about the same age. The drive about 100mph, on a bend spin out and the driver dies, passengers are seriously injured. Driver was a 4.0 student at John North HS(pretty competitve HS for the area, many smart kids here).

1st off I am not questioning his intelligence, its obvious he was a bright kid, but that age there is a lot peer pressure on being "cool" or showing off, this doesnt mean that older people do, but we have better judgements in certain scenarios.

2nd, I do not put the entire blame on the teen. Parents should share at least 50% of the blame. Why would parents give a kid a 300+hp car? Would you give them a loaded shot gun? and have them show it to their friends, NO then whey would you give them a car that is potentially just as dangerous?

Its just another sad story to a kid that made one little mistake, that caused a big tragedy................

Intelligence and responability does not depend on one another. For my kids, when i have them will drive the safest and slowest cars on the market. Best gas milage, and best safety. Because trash cars at that age, I did. Took my Ford Aspire(63 hp, 40 WHP) everywhere, the mountains, in the snow, and to Lake Tahoe with 3 people and luggage.

Sorry I had to vent after reading that story.
how is that possible? there were no cobras made in 2002.

the parents were very dumb giving that kid a car like that for his first vehicle. they should try to remember when they were young themselves and sit and think what they would do with a car like that. first car i ever drove was my dad's '93 F150. you have to start a kid out slow. they're still learning how to drive properly and maneuver on the roads. giving them a cobra makes a little more tempting to go flying through towns and show off in front of anyone they can...
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:15 AM   #15
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how is that possible? there were no cobras made in 2002.

prolly a 2001 or a 2003.

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prolly a 2001 or a 2003.

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yeah. but i shouldn't say there weren't ANY. there was this really weird looking australia prototype done...

2003 cobra...mmmmmmmmm good lol if the parents bought him one of those they're even dumber than i thought. "hey lets buy our kid a 400hp blown stang!"
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:22 AM   #17
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Natural selection. We have to weed them out sometime. Exceptable losses for thinning out the third. At least A family wasn't coming along and he wiped them out to.
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:28 AM   #18
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yeah. but i shouldn't say there weren't ANY. there was this really weird looking australia prototype done...

2003 cobra...mmmmmmmmm good lol if the parents bought him one of those they're even dumber than i thought. "hey lets buy our kid a 400hp blown stang!"
It'd be a lot easier to kill yourself in a 2003 as opposed to a 2001, that's for sure. With certain exceptions I think it's insane to buy a 16 year old a car that fast. I could barely handle my 140hp Legacy at 16 let alone a 400 blown monster like a 2003.

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Old 02-23-2003, 12:49 PM   #19
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Some people are smart...others are not. Some people can just naturally drive a car....others cannot. Age is nothing but a number and the only reason you hear so much bout teenager wrecks is because its such a tragedy. It's not much of a story if you're 30 and die in a wreck, but a 17-year old will grab peoples attention. And lets just remember, there is a significant difference between street smarts and book smarts. This kid had a 4.0, so do I. It means he knows how to study and take tests proficiently. That has nothing to do with how to handle a car on specific roads or how fast he should be driving.

One last point; I'm 16 and get my license in a month. My parents will not be buying me a WRX or anything of the sort. Instead, I have a '95 4Runner waiting for me. All of my friends are in similar situations. Their parents have bought them all large SUV's as their first car. Now would you rather have an unexperienced driver driving a small, overpowered car, or a 3500-4000 pound hulking SUV that will destroy another car if it gets into a wreck...I guess what I'm saying is, at least with a Mustang or WRX, you're really only going to hurt yourself and your passengers if something happens. In an SUV, with an unexperienced driver, if he runs into someone, he's most likely going to be fine. But the car he ran into probably wouldn't be so lucky. Just something to think about...
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Some people are smart...others are not. Some people can just naturally drive a car....others cannot. Age is nothing but a number and the only reason you hear so much bout teenager wrecks is because its such a tragedy. It's not much of a story if you're 30 and die in a wreck, but a 17-year old will grab peoples attention. And lets just remember, there is a significant difference between street smarts and book smarts. This kid had a 4.0, so do I. It means he knows how to study and take tests proficiently. That has nothing to do with how to handle a car on specific roads or how fast he should be driving.
I'm not trying flame you dude, but that's total crap. No one is "born" a great driver, not you, not I, not anyone. Even Petter Solberg had to learn sometime. Age does matter because it's all about experience, generally the more experience you have the better the driver you are. There's insurance numbers to prove this. Teenagers = lack of experience = not good drivers = most accidents per age group. The reason a 17 year old grabs more attention is because he's so young, it has an added "shock" factor to it. But I agree with you in the fact that just because you are smart doesn't make you a good driver, I've known plenty of supposed smart people who are terrible drivers.

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I think all new drivers should be subject to driving 10 year + volvos. Excellent in terms of safety and definately not fast.

My first car was a 94 Geo Prizm. About 80hp and probably about 60 whp. I got in 2 accidents with it, the first was in the rain when the car lost grip, fish tailed and jumped the curb and hit a small tree. It could have been a lot worse, I managed to regain some control before the car went into the other lane and hit on coming traffic. The only thing that happened is I blew the front, passenger side tire. The 2nd was worse, I hit a Pathfinder while merging (long story) and the front half of my car crumpled while her spare tire fell off.

That was about 3 years ago and it has made me a much better driver. Inexperience obviously played a key role in what happened but now I'm much more adept at driving. What also didn't hurt is my commute senior year to take an engineering class. If anyone lives in maryland and knows about Edgewater, you know it has got to have the highest number of absolutely horrible drivers per acre. People would completely stop traffic for over a mile to go to cross over to taco bell on the other side of the street.
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Some people can just naturally drive a car....others cannot.

Instead, I have a '95 4Runner waiting for me. All of my friends are in similar situations. Their parents have bought them all large SUV's as their first car
Some people learn faster than others, but experience counts for everyone. Every new driver makes a lot of mistakes; how fast the car is going makes a big difference in what the consequences are.

The big problem with SUVs is the poor emergency handling. If you lose control in a car it might spin; an SUV might roll. I agree the best beginner car is an old Volvo or something similar.


Speed Revelation: I'm glad you are being careful but your parents could have saved some $$ and got you a 2.5 RS instead.
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No no, I wanted a WRX... not a 2.5 RS... nothing wrong with a 2.5 RS but of course I wanted the best top grade model. Luckily my parents got it for me of course. Must thank them.

Anyways, I understand where you're all coming from. Even though I may not have the experience to back it up... I think of myself as a relatively smart good driver. One thing is for sure, I ain't stupid to go drive wrecklessly in any car I'm using. That goes for my WRX to like even a beater car nobody has even heard of. My point being is that, yeah my WRX is such a great car, I refuse to do something idiotic in it.

Trust me... you won't be seeing me trying to show off or get attention or like blitz some hazardous territory! My peers have even pressured me to do something like that... I simply decline and say "I don't want to wreck my car!" and then they **** cause they understand. If they don't, out of the car they go!

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oooooh! Wild speculation: What if it wasn't even his car?

What if he borrowed it while his perents were out?
Maybe it was the loaner car while his Ferrari was in the shop?
What if he stole it?

please continue.....
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