2004 Subaru STi

imprezawd · 12-17-2002, 05:19 PM

Well SOA SER Representives stopped by and gave us a little up to date on upcomming Subaru Product!!

2004 redesign is confirmed. STi will have redesign.
2004 WRX impreza will have leather and sunroof available.
2004 Subaru STi WRX should arrive in the STATES in MAY!!!!
SOA will only produce 300 per region and 1-5 per dealer per month. Based on who sold the most WRXs is who will get the most STi's. If a dealer said he ordered you a car with your deposit, they didnt. SOA will just produce as they can which sucks for me since we already have 10 deposits !!!

2004 STi WRX might not even have a stero system

2004 Subaru wrx STi WILL HAVE VARIABLE CONTROLLED CENTER DIFF!!!!

I know I am missing out on more info. I will try to post more when i hear more. I am kinda busy

richie

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skope · 12-17-2002, 05:41 PM

Whats the difference between variable controlled and dccd or is it the same thing?

dwx · 12-17-2002, 06:05 PM

Same thing. It'll be great if they have it, will make it a real drivers car.

skope · 12-17-2002, 06:37 PM

Well this is really big news! The US Evo doesn't have an active differential currently. It doesn't even have it as an option. Lets hope this doesn't change the expected price much if at all. I'd think they would offer it as an option. This is awesome news.

C-daleRidr · 12-17-2002, 06:45 PM

Dual Scroll Turbo?

imprezawd · 12-17-2002, 06:50 PM

EVO will be around 26k-29k while the STi will be right around $35000.00!! I hope we will get the cool ass center tach gauge!!

Good news though

richie

mg5904 · 12-17-2002, 07:15 PM

We get the DCCD? No Kiddin' . . .
No word on the Blacked-Out Gauges though, huh.

capt.sensible · 12-17-2002, 07:27 PM

Imprezawd,

Thanks very much for the information. Not to be a noodge, but did you happen to hear anything about the US WRX receiving the Sport-Shift 4EAT gearbox that seems to be available in Australia on new WRX's?

If you happen to come across this info, please let us know. Thanks again.

zacek · 12-17-2002, 07:42 PM

gosh dammit!

That's it...

I want mine NOW!

Brahmzy · 12-17-2002, 08:24 PM

35K is BS.
No way.
Not base price MSRP.
Nope.

Brahmzy · 12-17-2002, 08:46 PM

JUST got off the phone w/my dealership who's owner is a member of the national SOA dealer sumthing sumthing-he just got out of a large meeting today.
He also confirmed as FACT that the STi WILL come w/ the DCCD. No info on the guages, but he did say that I will definitely be getting an STi in June or sooner (I'm third on the list and he says he'll be getting a minimum of 5 STi's to start)
He also said he actually may budge off of MSRP a little. HOW little, he doesn't know yet. Also, "30K-35K, depending on options"(no, he doesn't know what options yet)

Wow - gettin' excited.

Brahmzy · 12-17-2002, 08:47 PM

Capt.,
my guy said 6MT only.

shirokuma · 12-17-2002, 09:44 PM

I think the pricing will be similar to that of Japan - a "basic" STi with the 6mt, 17" rims tyres, brembos, etc., for about 30K. The DCCD system will add 2k-3k to that price, then extra options such as the aero kit, navi systems will add the rest. A fully optioned STi for 35K isn't beyond reality then, and there will be enough people who think the DCCD system is worth the extra cash - I certainly do.

Remember, DCCD isn't standard on the standard STi in Japan, it's optional. It pushes the price of the STi up by quite a bit in Japan.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

MYSTi · 12-17-2002, 10:03 PM

No stereo? No stereo? But the DCCD might be an option? Why the hell would you want a DCCD over a stereo? Aside from "playing" with the settings of the DCCD and doing RWD burnouts, what the hell is the point of the DCCD? I run my WRX in SOLO II and I never think I am going to be that into the sport that I would feel the need to put such an expensive option into the car for what is basically a track oriented option. I would be driving the STi on the road a hell-of-a-lot more than on the track, and long commuter-trips listening to the turbo whistle would get very tedious with nothing to drown it out.

If the STi is coming without a stereo, as is suggested above, would it be an option? Would there be a blank in the dash to install an aftermarket unit?

It is unlikely this is true, because every new STi shown has what looks like a new-to-Subaru (or at least different from the current WRX) stereo sitting in the dash. And besides, who in their right mind would sell a car without a standard stereo to people, like the majority of us, who are in their twenties? If this is true, and the stereo doesn't come standard, and we have to pay a thousand or two to get it as an option, I might keep my '02 WRX, enjoy it for years to come, and get my deposit back to avoid buying a car which Subaru might use as a tool to gouge people (like me) who are obsessed over the arrival of this car.

wrx320 · 12-17-2002, 10:14 PM

oh I would bet it has some sort of stereo and also a drink holder. Americans don't buy cars without either one and I am sure Subaru won't screw up by not installing either. Stand back and watch (as in mark my words)

dwx · 12-17-2002, 10:17 PM

Hahaha I wouldn't worry about it not having a stereo so don't get your underwear in too much of a bunch. It's not like they are picking the DCCD over the stereo or something, I'm sure it'll have a stereo. Even the Integra Type-R has a stereo...

I'd like to have the DCCD for the 65/35 torque split, it would be good for either solo2 or track use, although it'd make the car harder to drive fast initially. The new model in Japan does have an auto mode but I don't know the details of that.

Brahmzy · 12-17-2002, 10:19 PM

I sure wish they'd offer a stereo delete option. Knock a grand or so off the ticket price. The thing's comin' out as soon as I get it.

StreetTribe_V35 · 12-17-2002, 10:24 PM

i cant wait to get mine!!!!!

who cares about the stereo... it's not like the stock system is any good

capt.sensible · 12-17-2002, 11:02 PM

Bramzhy,

Thank you, but I guess I was not clear about my question. I was wondering if the "plain," non-Sti WRX would receive a tiptronic-style 4EAT gearbox for 2004. The face-lifted WRX on sale in Australia now has this system (according to Subaru Australia :

"An exciting new addition to the automatic Impreza WRX is Sport Select gear control, giving drivers the option to use the shifter stick to instantly change up or down a gear, via electronic control."

Man, would I love to see that come state-side.

ewt · 12-18-2002, 12:12 AM

Shirokuma, is the automatic setting of the DCCD "better" than whatever it would get otherwise? I would rarely go into manual mode as I am sure that I wouldn't know what I was doing, but if the auto setting is an electronic diff. then it might be worth quite a bit just for that, if the option is, say, a viscous coupling that takes some time to engage (as some people have mentioned is noticable.)

Eric

BigElm · 12-18-2002, 12:28 AM

Okay... I'll make this simple...

Can someone direct me to some "useful" and "good information" about this center diff.

Don't tell me to do a search... that's why I'm asking for "useful" and "good information", I don't want to read debates...

Thanks.

shirokuma · 12-18-2002, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ewt
Shirokuma, is the automatic setting of the DCCD "better" than whatever it would get otherwise? I would rarely go into manual mode as I am sure that I wouldn't know what I was doing, but if the auto setting is an electronic diff. then it might be worth quite a bit just for that, if the option is, say, a viscous coupling that takes some time to engage (as some people have mentioned is noticable.)

The DCCD that I sampled in the standard STi and spec C was virtually unnoticeable in automatic mode. As in, I felt nothing artificial about it, nor any hesitation to it. What I experienced was throttle-induced oversteer that felt, well, great. It had more steer-by-throttle predictability than the 350Z which I had drove extensively. I felt no need to play with the manual settings, to be honest. I did, and while it felt even more rwd biased when that was done, it is such a seriously fast car that I preferred the less twitch automatic setting, which transparently kept things under control. For my tastes, it worked better than the system in the GT-R and the Evolution - the GT-R just managed to either feel heavy, or when the systems kicked in, I could really feel them kicking in. And the Evo just felt artificial - it would turn in great, handled great, but I felt like I was in a glorified videogame. I'm a very visceral driver, I grew up driving lightweight rwd cars that had incredibly direct feedback, and because of that I feel uncomfortable with most of the electronic aids on cars today. The new STi DCCD-a system did not feel at all artificial, an amazing feat since it must be.

I would gladly pay up to 5k extra on nearly any turbo Subaru to have that system. It works wonders that I thought I'd have to buy an RWD for.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

US2JDM · 12-18-2002, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MYSTi
No stereo? No stereo? But the DCCD might be an option? Why the hell would you want a DCCD over a stereo? Aside from "playing" with the settings of the DCCD and doing RWD burnouts, what the hell is the point of the DCCD? I run my WRX in SOLO II and I never think I am going to be that into the sport that I would feel the need to put such an expensive option into the car for what is basically a track oriented option. I would be driving the STi on the road a hell-of-a-lot more than on the track, and long commuter-trips listening to the turbo whistle would get very tedious with nothing to drown it out.

If the STi is coming without a stereo, as is suggested above, would it be an option? Would there be a blank in the dash to install an aftermarket unit?

It is unlikely this is true, because every new STi shown has what looks like a new-to-Subaru (or at least different from the current WRX) stereo sitting in the dash. And besides, who in their right mind would sell a car without a standard stereo to people, like the majority of us, who are in their twenties? If this is true, and the stereo doesn't come standard, and we have to pay a thousand or two to get it as an option, I might keep my '02 WRX, enjoy it for years to come, and get my deposit back to avoid buying a car which Subaru might use as a tool to gouge people (like me) who are obsessed over the arrival of this car.

Many manufacturers have sold bottom of the line vehicles brand new without a stereo...it's not some huge feat.

In other countries you can get track/motorsports cars without the stereo as well.

Bottom line is...I can install a stereo...I CAN'T install a new tranny w/ DCCD and all the necessary wiring, etc.

I could care less about the stereo...it's nice...but if it knocked a grand off the sticker..."See ya later!"

Word.™

-Milan

ewt · 12-18-2002, 01:41 AM

Thanks Shirokuma, that's what I was hoping for. I had read your posts/articles before about this, and it seems to be a far superior differential system to the old. Now I will think of it as an Automatic CCD with a bonus manual option :-).

Eric

HOKWRX · 12-18-2002, 01:48 AM

U.S STi will get Stereo no matter what, it is against the law for car manufactory not to put a stereo in a brand new car, this is to avoid people felling asleep while they drive.

12-17-2002, 05:19 PM	#1
imprezawd Scooby Specialist Member#: 45 Join Date: Jun 1999 Vehicle: 99 2.5RS-N (SOLD)	2004 Subaru STi Well SOA SER Representives stopped by and gave us a little up to date on upcomming Subaru Product!! 2004 redesign is confirmed. STi will have redesign. 2004 WRX impreza will have leather and sunroof available. 2004 Subaru STi WRX should arrive in the STATES in MAY!!!! SOA will only produce 300 per region and 1-5 per dealer per month. Based on who sold the most WRXs is who will get the most STi's. If a dealer said he ordered you a car with your deposit, they didnt. SOA will just produce as they can which sucks for me since we already have 10 deposits !!! 2004 STi WRX might not even have a stero system 2004 Subaru wrx STi WILL HAVE VARIABLE CONTROLLED CENTER DIFF!!!! I know I am missing out on more info. I will try to post more when i hear more. I am kinda busy richie * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-17-2002, 07:27 PM	#8
capt.sensible Scooby Newbie Member#: 24174 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Califor-ni-yay Vehicle: 2003 Bugeye Carryall	Question For Imprezawd Imprezawd, Thanks very much for the information. Not to be a noodge, but did you happen to hear anything about the US WRX receiving the Sport-Shift 4EAT gearbox that seems to be available in Australia on new WRX's? If you happen to come across this info, please let us know. Thanks again.

12-17-2002, 11:02 PM	#19
capt.sensible Scooby Newbie Member#: 24174 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Califor-ni-yay Vehicle: 2003 Bugeye Carryall	Bramzhy . . . Bramzhy, Thank you, but I guess I was not clear about my question. I was wondering if the "plain," non-Sti WRX would receive a tiptronic-style 4EAT gearbox for 2004. The face-lifted WRX on sale in Australia now has this system (according to Subaru Australia : "An exciting new addition to the automatic Impreza WRX is Sport Select gear control, giving drivers the option to use the shifter stick to instantly change up or down a gear, via electronic control." Man, would I love to see that come state-side.

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wrx320 Scooby Specialist Member#: 28631 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on vacation Vehicle: 2002 WRB wrx wagon AVO stg I,II Shiv ECUtek	oh I would bet it has some sort of stereo and also a drink holder. Americans don't buy cars without either one and I am sure Subaru won't screw up by not installing either. Stand back and watch (as in mark my words)

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Brahmzy Scooby Specialist Member#: 3293 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: CO Vehicle: '20 Ascent '15 XTerra P4X	I sure wish they'd offer a stereo delete option. Knock a grand or so off the ticket price. The thing's comin' out as soon as I get it.

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StreetTribe_V35 Scooby Newbie Member#: 30890 Join Date: Dec 2002 Vehicle: 2003 V35 Skyline 350GT	i cant wait to get mine!!!!! who cares about the stereo... it's not like the stock system is any good

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ewt Scooby Newbie Member#: 14506 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Vehicle: 2008 Legacy Spec.B DGM	Shirokuma, is the automatic setting of the DCCD "better" than whatever it would get otherwise? I would rarely go into manual mode as I am sure that I wouldn't know what I was doing, but if the auto setting is an electronic diff. then it might be worth quite a bit just for that, if the option is, say, a viscous coupling that takes some time to engage (as some people have mentioned is noticable.) Eric

12-18-2002, 12:28 AM	#21
BigElm Always under your radar! Moderator Member#: 1568 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hawtlanta!!!	Okay... I'll make this simple... Can someone direct me to some "useful" and "good information" about this center diff. Don't tell me to do a search... that's why I'm asking for "useful" and "good information", I don't want to read debates... Thanks.

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ewt Scooby Newbie Member#: 14506 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Vehicle: 2008 Legacy Spec.B DGM	Thanks Shirokuma, that's what I was hoping for. I had read your posts/articles before about this, and it seems to be a far superior differential system to the old. Now I will think of it as an Automatic CCD with a bonus manual option :-). Eric

12-18-2002, 01:48 AM	#25
HOKWRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 5469 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: BayAREA Vehicle: 2004 Impreza	U.S STi will get Stereo no matter what, it is against the law for car manufactory not to put a stereo in a brand new car, this is to avoid people felling asleep while they drive.