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Old 09-05-2010, 06:39 PM   #926
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I want to be able to have enough room to be able to put chains. They require them sometimes in the mountains and I don't want them scraping up against the body.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:35 AM   #927
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I want to be able to have enough room to be able to put chains. They require them sometimes in the mountains and I don't want them scraping up against the body.
AWD/4wd plus snow tires trumps any chain requirement. Get approved winter tires and forget about the chains.
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:11 AM   #928
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AWD/4wd plus snow tires trumps any chain requirement. Get approved winter tires and forget about the chains.
Doesn't matter. I went with my cousin last year in his 4runner and his big ass winter tires and they still required chains to get up to Stevens pass. Winter tires or not, need to be able to get chains around.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:12 PM   #929
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tires only or winter package: 15" winter package 195/65R15

Need advice. I was thinking about getting Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D and
downsizing to 15" 195's
Also steel or cheaper alloy wheels. This set will be my dedicated winter set.
Also do the steel wheels from tire rack come in proper offset for your vehicle or are they just standard?

Any kind of advice will be appreciated.


we only offer wheels which fit properly ... those 35mm offset steel wheels we see around from some other retailers are for a Neon

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Old 09-06-2010, 03:35 PM   #930
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for anybody that has painted there winter set-up, how has the paint held up to road salt, sand and that smelly a$$ brine stuff??? thanks
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:38 PM   #931
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Just a quick question. I have a set of 06 bbs for my 2010 sti and I'm just getting ready to buy some new winter tires. I have read a lot about size ect.. some say 225 50 17 some go with 235 45 17.

Could I run a 245 45 17? and will it really make that much of a difference either way?

I like the look of a wider tire.
You're 245 from the factory, right? In all honesty, my belief is that you could run the 245, and probably not notice much of a difference from the 235.

But between the 245 and 225, you*will* notice a difference.

Luke and others are much more qualified to answer that question, though - I'm just presenting an answer from an "everyday driver's'" point-of-view, that's all.


235/45-17 is the proper size

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Old 09-06-2010, 05:43 PM   #932
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Hi luke
i am planing on doing some winter rally cross this year and was wondering if you carried any racing tires, I don't think they allow studded but I don't mind studable. I have a

02wrx with Core racing 17"by7.5's
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also may like a package if you got some not lame rim choices with better than 38 offset as my current rim snowpacks pretty bad sometimes.


we have several wheel options with 45-53 offset which is Subi specific ... look into the tire rules for the racing you are planning on doing because you don't want to spend good money on tires if they are not legal to run in the class you are in.

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Old 09-09-2010, 12:37 AM   #933
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I want to be able to have fun on snowy back roads up north, but I also have a 15 mile commute (one way) to work everyday and don't want to burn the tires up. Tire noise is no issue and I can put up with less than superior dry road handling as long as they are great for snowy/icy roads.

I've been looking at Blizzaks and the Dunlop Winter Sports, but Im open to any suggestions. What do you think??

Take a look at these three
Michelin X Ice XI2
Continental Extreme Winter Contact
Bridgestone Blizzak WS70

any of them will work for you ... you will most likely get 3 or 4 winters out of a set

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Old 09-09-2010, 01:29 PM   #934
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looking for a normal commuter package. thanks!

16" Sport Edition A7 wheels with 205/55-16 Dunlop Winter Sport 3d's would work great. I have many friends who use the 3D's in Chicago with great results. The package price would be $736.00 if you skip the TPMS semsors

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Old 09-11-2010, 03:26 PM   #935
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02 WRX, have had blizzak LM 22 last few years, very happy with them but need replacing. I"d rather stay away from a directional tire and I don't want a Blizzak W60 (have had WS50/15 on other cars, they are fine but squirmy). I know the Michelin X Ice 2 is directional but how do they compare to a Conti Extreme Winter contact (which is not directional). Plus the contis are cheaper.


The Conti is surprisingly good. It really impressed us in this years testing. I personally prefer the XI2 but, the Conti is right up there. The Top three we have this year are The WS70, XI2 and EWC

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Old 09-13-2010, 11:55 AM   #936
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i have a set of 225/45/17 Continental Extreme Contact Tires with about 30% should i be able to get through this winter into spring with out any worries?
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Winter traction has three elements

tread compound
tread design
tread depth

and without all three your grip will be greatly diminished and with only 30% tread depth left you will have issues

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Old 09-13-2010, 12:05 PM   #937
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Last year I ran my stock '07 WRX wheels w/ the stock RE92's and yeah..... HORRIBLE!

Any help is appreciated

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In the Baltimore / DC area I have two favorites. The Sotto Zero from Pirelli and the Primacy Alpin from Michelin.

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Old 09-13-2010, 02:55 PM   #938
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Im wondering with narrow tires being better for traction in the winter, what would the narrowest size of studded winter tires be to fit the stock 16 inch wheel on the 02 wrx.

there is really no need to go narrower than 205 as they are already have a pretty narrow footprint. You could fit 195's if you really wanted but the performance characteristics wouldn't really change.

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Old 09-13-2010, 04:55 PM   #939
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you would be better off getting a performance winter like the Winter Sport 3D or the Sotto Zero

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Old 09-13-2010, 07:28 PM   #940
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I'm not Luke (Luke, where are you?!!?!!), but I'd like to give things a shot, since I enjoy the discussion.

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I want to be able to have fun on snowy back roads up north, but I also have a 15 mile commute (one way) to work everyday and don't want to burn the tires up. Tire noise is no issue and I can put up with less than superior dry road handling as long as they are great for snowy/icy roads.

I've been looking at Blizzaks and the Dunlop Winter Sports, but Im open to any suggestions. What do you think??
I guess what you'll need to do is to first define "fun."

To me, my WinterSport 3Ds are more fun than my wife's Xi2s - because I need to get up to nearly scary-fast speeds in order for the Xi2s to do what I can coax the 3Ds to do, at much lower speeds.

And since I'm no rally driver, nor have I had any specialized winter performance driving instruction, well, I prefer a bit of low-speed heroics for pretend, rather than hurtling along at speeds which can potentially land me in the ditch.

So, you'll have to define your fun.


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i have a set of 225/45/17 Continental Extreme Contact Tires with about 30% should i be able to get through this winter into spring with out any worries?
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^ This I'm a little afraid about - while the Conti Extreme Contacts are known to be a winter-capable all-season and a favorite among the Subaru crowd in snow-seeing regions for this very fact, they're also known for becoming less winter-capable as the tread wears down. With only 30% of tread left, you'll need to be careful....



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Last year I ran my stock '07 WRX wheels w/ the stock RE92's and yeah..... HORRIBLE!

Any help is appreciated

-Jeff
What you guys saw there was a once-in-a-decade thing (well, unless all those global-warming scientists are right, that is....; OK, in all honesty, I lived there, cumulatively, for more than 10 years - first as a pre-teen child, and then returning for college) - so unless you want to stock an extra set of the absolute best studded winter tires just for that kind of an event, I'd recommend that you first play around a bit with the tire pressures of your RE92s, to see if you can get them where you want them, for the winter, and to then consider stepping up to more winter-capable tires.

I'm being flat honest in saying that my wife and I used our respective RE92s for three and one (they expired during the next summer, due to tread damage) NE-Ohio winters, and as long as you drive within their envelope, you'll truly be just fine. And yes, this included our Mother's Day, 2005, blizzard. The snow was two feet in places, and we never got stuck.

But if you feel uncomfortable with the RE92s, you can rest-assured that virtually any of the "Performance Winter" tires would do you just fine - as would a more winter-capable all-season, such as the Nokian WR/WRG2 - particularly if you minded the treadwear, and switched out to a new set when you reach 6/32nd or so.

One thing I remember about the Baltimore area is that snow removal just isn't quite up-to-par, as compared to those areas of the US which see more routine/reliable snow. Given that's the case, know that although you'll gain significantly more winter-capable traction with the "Performance Winter" tires, you'll still need to watch it that you don't get too deep into fresh powder or go too aggressively on compacted snow or ice. The "Performance Winter" is a compromise towards clear-weather civility and performance, with many of the top-rated tires approaching the behavior of a good set of all-season tires, even when it's up in the 60-degree range - this compromise means that you won't be a snowmobile.


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For my southern brother/sister, the same advice, pretty much, as for 96accord from Baltimore, above, with one additional consideration:

You're likely to see more snow as well as some potential icing conditions, so if what you're doing is preparing for the absolute worst possible, you might do well to look at either "Performance Winter" tires that are more highly rated for ice traction (but still remember that, no matter how well they're rated for this, these tires are *not* designed for this kind of condition, and this fact alone will produce some white-knuckle moments) or potentially consider "Studless Ice & Snows," which are much better suited to icier conditions.

Just remember that as you get more aggressively winterized with your tire choices, you will be compromising handling and performance on clear roadways - and since y'all don't get nearly as much of the wintry stuff down there, as we do up here, this trade-off should weigh heavily in your decision-making process.
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:46 PM   #941
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I guess what you'll need to do is to first define "fun."

To me, my WinterSport 3Ds are more fun than my wife's Xi2s - because I need to get up to nearly scary-fast speeds in order for the Xi2s to do what I can coax the 3Ds to do, at much lower speeds.

And since I'm no rally driver, nor have I had any specialized winter performance driving instruction, well, I prefer a bit of low-speed heroics for pretend, rather than hurtling along at speeds which can potentially land me in the ditch.

So, you'll have to define your fun.

Fun would be back curvy roads at 40 MPH or so. Nothing "scary" fast, but not slow either.
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^ The more aggressively winter you go - i.e. selecting a "Studless Ice & Snow" instead of a "Performance Winter" - the faster your speed will be, and will be in control.

If speed is your defining factor, the "Studless Ice & Snow" tires, or even a studded tire (if your laws allow), may be a good choice...but if long controllable slides are your definition of fun, the "Performance Winters" will let you do the same, only at lower speeds.

The fact that you'll be playing on back roads, though, makes me want to say that you should be looking at either a "Studless Ice & Snow" or a studded tire - and even then, to think about carrying traction-enhancing equipment and/or extraction equipment, just-in-case.

My definition of fun is to screw with the tire pressure by a few PSI, and then go to a deserted parking lot. For that, the "Performance Winters" more than gets me there and back home.

But since you're going out to where the plows don't go, especially with what you might see up in MI, I'm more inclined to say that you need to be more aggressive in your tire choice.
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02 WRX, have had blizzak LM 22 last few years, very happy with them but need replacing. I"d rather stay away from a directional tire and I don't want a Blizzak W60 (have had WS50/15 on other cars, they are fine but squirmy). I know the Michelin X Ice 2 is directional but how do they compare to a Conti Extreme Winter contact (which is not directional). Plus the contis are cheaper.

I researched the Conti DWS and the Michelin Pilot Sport AS Plus. I mean days researching. And i called around, and checked w/ a few trusted tire gurus I know.

Bottom line - the DWS and the PS AS Plus are probably the best "snow capable" all season for the WRX platform. really really close in terms of performance and treadwear (DWS wins slightly on treadwear).

The price difference, however, is not really really close . Unless there is a sale going on, the Conti's are amazingly cheap compared to the PS AS Plus. I'd save you $$ and get the Conti's. (I got a "friend" discount + a mail in rebate on the Michelins, so i went with those)



As far as a dedicated snow tires, I've never found anything better than Nokian.

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^ The more aggressively winter you go - i.e. selecting a "Studless Ice & Snow" instead of a "Performance Winter" - the faster your speed will be, and will be in control.

If speed is your defining factor, the "Studless Ice & Snow" tires, or even a studded tire (if your laws allow), may be a good choice...but if long controllable slides are your definition of fun, the "Performance Winters" will let you do the same, only at lower speeds.

The fact that you'll be playing on back roads, though, makes me want to say that you should be looking at either a "Studless Ice & Snow" or a studded tire - and even then, to think about carrying traction-enhancing equipment and/or extraction equipment, just-in-case.

My definition of fun is to screw with the tire pressure by a few PSI, and then go to a deserted parking lot. For that, the "Performance Winters" more than gets me there and back home.

But since you're going out to where the plows don't go, especially with what you might see up in MI, I'm more inclined to say that you need to be more aggressive in your tire choice.
Studless Ice & Snow is what I have been looking into. I am still undecided on what exact tire I should choose though based on the fact that I have a decent commute (expressway ~30 miles a day) to work. I want to be able to have fun in the snow, but not hate my life when I'm on the pavement. Any suggestions?
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Has anyone heard anything about Hankook's new Winter I*Cept Evo tires? They seem like a step up from the Icebear W300 while still retaining "performance" qualities.
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^ I'd like to see some more info. on that, too.


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Studless Ice & Snow is what I have been looking into. I am still undecided on what exact tire I should choose though based on the fact that I have a decent commute (expressway ~30 miles a day) to work. I want to be able to have fun in the snow, but not hate my life when I'm on the pavement. Any suggestions?
You won't hate your life, don't worry.

Certainly, they're less responsive than some good modern HP or UHP all-seasons - or their V/H-rated "Performance Winter" counterparts - but they're not going to make you want to drop the car to the minimum legal speed on the open highway, either.

My wife's '05 WRX/'09 FXT, fitted with the Xi2s, are a plenty pleasant enough daily-driver - and even on the highway, it's not any worse than some of the squishier all-seasons I've had experience with, in the past.

This is pretty much a trait of the breed: and I think that if you reviewed data from, say, the 2009 NAF testing, and tried to isolate tires that had better subjective highway behavior as well as better clear-road behavior, you'll be good to go.
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Thoughts about this setup?

2011 WRX Limited running a 16x6.5 wheel with 205/55 R16 Blizzaks for Western PA.



that set up will make you pray for snow so, you can go out and have fun

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Anybody from Seattle gonna use studs this winter? Planning on taking my 07 Sti up the pass numerous times this year and I'm just unsure if I should go studded or studless. Not sure how many people with awd actually go studded.Opinions would be much appreciated.


studded tire for your area would be overkill for your area and you are right not many AWD folks go with studs. Look for some Performance winter tires like the Sotto Zero, Winter Sport 3D or the Blizzak LM60

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^ I'd like to see some more info. on that, too. ........
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^ I need to get my Russian student back....and have him translate full issue of AutoReview for me. It's interesting how they targeted the hardcore Euro market with that tire - maybe an effort to improve upon what that market has typically thought of Asian winter tires?
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