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Old 04-07-2024, 02:18 PM   #4501
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I like hearing from all sides - to see if the other side has a point or is complete deluded and high on their own supply. It's been driving my investment decisions since before Tesla IPO'd. Could go point by point here but it's unnecessary as the information would not be assimilated anyway. I still hold all the best Tesla/Elon counterarguments internally, and no one has topped them here.

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Reuters article no doubt accelerated the announcement of the robotaxi even, Tesla does not like to announce events this early. However the next-gen platform for the low-cost car and the robotaxi are the same, one without the drive-by-wire steering controls. This has been well known for a long time.
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Old 04-09-2024, 03:07 PM   #4502
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Old 04-09-2024, 09:50 PM   #4503
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I knew they weren't going to bring a 25k car here. And why should they when there's a long list of people waiting to buy a pickup truck with 10x the margins. And why are they even making a robo taxi? I thought everyone who owns an FSD equipped car would be able to send it out to pimp and make money for them. Why else would they have paid 15k for it?
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Old 04-10-2024, 08:09 AM   #4504
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I knew they weren't going to bring a 25k car here. And why should they when there's a long list of people waiting to buy a pickup truck with 10x the margins. And why are they even making a robo taxi? I thought everyone who owns an FSD equipped car would be able to send it out to pimp and make money for them. Why else would they have paid 15k for it?
Not many people have bought FSD outright. IMO the robot car will be exclusive for Tesla to run their fleet. Maybe they will make a variant $25k car for the public. It seems that FSD V12 is a game changer; the trial was a great idea because I keep seeing many people on Facebook groups saying that their minds are blown and that they would be willing to pay around $5000 for it. I also have seen comments from people that used older version of FSD saying that "FSD has come from nerve racking to actually being usable for everyday driving". Another interesting comment was "I would buy it right now for $12k if it was transferable because having a personal chauffeur cost way more money"

We really live in very interesting times. I still have not received my free trial .
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Old 04-15-2024, 07:46 AM   #4505
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No 25k car.
Model Ys are starting to sit on lots.
And the cybertruck might not be supply constrained after all.
Tesla is now laying off 10% globally.

Is it interest rates? Or has the demand for battery vehicles leveled off? I donít think interest rates are that big of a factor with demand for Teslas. The prices of a model Y is like 10-15k less than when it first came out and there is still excess supply. I suspect the extra model Ys will be bought up in a few months when the price of gas goes through the roof due to the Middle East. If only the largest producer of oil in the world would stop exporting oil and gas and keep what we produce here to help keep prices more stable. But the other reason demand for teslas is weakening is the used car market is starting to recover. Used Teslas are especially cheap.
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Old 04-15-2024, 01:47 PM   #4506
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We really live in very interesting times. I still have not received my free trial .



You're not missing much, in my opinion. I've been playing around with the FSD trial. It's very novel, but on the whole it scares the crap out of me. When making left turns, it frequently puts the car straddling the turn lane and forward lane, which would block traffic behind me if I didn't intervene. It also tries to go into the passing lane on the freeway when not passing, which is a huge pet peeve of mine. It varies the speed by up to 10 mph on the hills trying to figure out where the accelerator should be to maintain the speed limit.
I test drove a Chevy Bolt with super cruise about a year ago, and it was FAR superior to the Tesla FSD offering, although limited to certain freeways.
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Old 04-17-2024, 09:06 AM   #4507
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You're not missing much, in my opinion. I've been playing around with the FSD trial. It's very novel, but on the whole it scares the crap out of me. When making left turns, it frequently puts the car straddling the turn lane and forward lane, which would block traffic behind me if I didn't intervene. It also tries to go into the passing lane on the freeway when not passing, which is a huge pet peeve of mine. It varies the speed by up to 10 mph on the hills trying to figure out where the accelerator should be to maintain the speed limit.
I test drove a Chevy Bolt with super cruise about a year ago, and it was FAR superior to the Tesla FSD offering, although limited to certain freeways.
I find it interesting how everyone has a different experience. He is telling me that FSD is amazing and that it has been taking him to work without any interventions everyday but that is cautious. I obviously have the basic AP and use it everyday. I have no idea how it can get any better than what it is currently other than not having the nag; I like it a lot. As far as FSD on freeways there is no such thing yet. The FSD stack only applies to city driving they have not rolled out the neural nets for highway driving and it is still on the old stack.

It seems that I haven't receive the update because of my hardware but they said that they will rollout at the end of week. We shall see. I also have seen that many people have gotten their wheels curved because it rides to close to the curb. Hopefully that is fix when I get my update .
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Old 04-17-2024, 09:13 AM   #4508
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No 25k car.
Model Ys are starting to sit on lots.
And the cybertruck might not be supply constrained after all.
Tesla is now laying off 10% globally.

Is it interest rates? Or has the demand for battery vehicles leveled off? I don't think interest rates are that big of a factor with demand for Teslas. The prices of a model Y is like 10-15k less than when it first came out and there is still excess supply. I suspect the extra model Ys will be bought up in a few months when the price of gas goes through the roof due to the Middle East. If only the largest producer of oil in the world would stop exporting oil and gas and keep what we produce here to help keep prices more stable. But the other reason demand for teslas is weakening is the used car market is starting to recover. Used Teslas are especially cheap.
Tesla inventory prices just went up by $3k in my area since yesterday, I have no idea what they are thinking here. In China IMO they are having trouble selling more because there is way to many competition. Here in the states I think the problem is that not many people know that you can get a brand new Model Y off inventory for $40k and the media is pushing hybrids hardcore. I find it funny how they are saying that Toyota hybrids are flying off the lots specially talking about the Prius increasing by 363% while only moving 17,832 which is a single day of Tesla production with the Prius being on sale for more than a year.

Edit: they inventory cars price is up now by $6k. Are they planning on offering 0% financing?

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Old 04-17-2024, 01:38 PM   #4509
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Numbers games are at play with all manufacturers I am sure. The new Prius a much better looking car than the 3 or Y
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Old 04-18-2024, 08:53 PM   #4510
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The good sales press for Toyota hybrids is probably because they are among the shortest supply in days for all car brands that report that data. Tesla doesn't provide that data and probably never will. I feel sorry for the people who came to work for Tesla and couldn't badge in because they were laid off and didn't even know. That's messed up.
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