2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[20WRX20]

Local dealer would only take $1500 off a leftover 2023 Premium. They have over a dozen WRX’s on the lot right now.

So 35k and then they would only offer 26k for my trade. Over 10 grand after TTL to get into a VB? No thanks.

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[rexster]

There's 25 2023 premium trim wrx within 30 miles of my location and Edmund's says I can get one for 31-32k. But prices vary quite a bit by region.

[jimbobjohnbrown]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

Local dealer would only take $1500 off a leftover 2023 Premium. They have over a dozen WRX’s on the lot right now.



So 35k and then they would only offer 26k for my trade. Over 10 grand after TTL to get into a VB? No thanks.

Check out Quirk Work Subaru. About a 3hr drive from you. They are doing 3500 off sticker, no negotiating needed. They also offer more on trade-ins than anyone in the Capitol Region.

[ajsti24]

Timmons Subaru in Long Beach SoCal 2023 WRX's $2,300 Off MSRP:

https://www.timmonssubaru.com/new-in....htm?model=WRX

[mcarb002]

Wow, surprised you’re getting below msrp in SoCal. With other brands like Toyota it’s like 10k over lol

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by jimbobjohnbrown

Check out Quirk Work Subaru. About a 3hr drive from you. They are doing 3500 off sticker, no negotiating needed. They also offer more on trade-ins than anyone in the Capitol Region.

This has not been my experience with them. Last year when they had the big discounts on WRX they offered 5k under KBB trade-in for my car. “5k off MSRP” though lol. Joke.

[JustyWRC]

KBB

[pearljam11]

I wonder what resale will be for these 23s considering how much they're sitting and getting marked down.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by pearljam11

I wonder what resale will be for these 23s considering how much they're sitting and getting marked down.

WRXs have been heavily discounted before. Just go look how they held value.

Edit: Just did a quick look and I really don't know this organization; but, Motortrend's Intellichoice rates it a "Highest Retained Value". Now, being a magainzine doing this, can they be paid to say that? I would think that would invalidate that whole thing; but.....

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

KBB

I have sold and/or traded every car I’ve ever owned for KBB or more. The only ones who offered less were sleazy dealers.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

I have sold and/or traded every car I’ve ever owned for KBB or more. The only ones who offered less were sleazy dealers.

Soo, you're essentially saying YOU'RE the sleazy dealer overcharging.......got it.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Soo, you're essentially saying YOU'RE the sleazy dealer overcharging.......got it.

By selling my cars for what they are truly worth?

All of my private party sales have helped both parties. I got more than trade, and the buyer got a well cared for vehicle that cost less than dealer retail.

There are definitely scumbag dealers out there who try to take advantage of people who don’t know what their car is worth. KBB is a guide, it’s not 100% but if you’re offering me almost 5k less than what a local dealer is offering for trade, and then trying to make it sound like you’re doing a favor by “discounting” a car by the same amount, then that dealer is sleazy and I will never do business with them.

I understand you work at a dealer but my experience working at a dealership is they make a fortune off of newer trades and they will try to rip you off as much as possible on them. I don’t rely solely on KBB, I check other sources as well but I know a lowball offer when I see one.

It sucks we’re still stuck in the 1980s when it comes to buying cars but this is how we got into the mess that we are into now where people think it’s OK to pay 50k for a RAV4 and then trade it in three years later for 25k. Mouth breathers will usually mutter “BuT ThAt’S tHe MaRkEt” or “In ThIs MaRkEt” or some other coping mechanism statement. I feel sorry for them.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

By selling my cars for what they are truly worth?

All of my private party sales have helped both parties. I got more than trade, and the buyer got a well cared for vehicle that cost less than dealer retail.

There are definitely scumbag dealers out there who try to take advantage of people who don't know what their car is worth. KBB is a guide, it's not 100% but if you're offering me almost 5k less than what a local dealer is offering for trade, and then trying to make it sound like you're doing a favor by "discounting" a car by the same amount, then that dealer is sleazy and I will never do business with them.

I understand you work at a dealer but my experience working at a dealership is they make a fortune off of newer trades and they will try to rip you off as much as possible on them. I don't rely solely on KBB, I check other sources as well but I know a lowball offer when I see one.

It sucks we're still stuck in the 1980s when it comes to buying cars but this is how we got into the mess that we are into now where people think it's OK to pay 50k for a RAV4 and then trade it in three years later for 25k. Mouth breathers will usually mutter "BuT ThAt'S tHe MaRkEt" or "In ThIs MaRkEt" or some other coping mechanism statement. I feel sorry for them.

Having a good dealer is nice. There is a dealer network here that i've NEVER heard a good story from. Sale or service. Except there was this one sales person that was truly an awesome dude. Fully enthusiast also. Now, I did laugh at that and to confess, I haven't paid attention to it for awhile and they could have gotten better. I know we still don't use it. They use a tool that looks at sales within a radius of us. I just remember KBB being stupidly off on their numbers.

Funny thing I've noticed in all my years here.....those that negotiate hard for a better price are mostly the unhappy, grumpy folks. You'd think they'd be happy. And the ones that just come in an pay MSRP and get all the extras, are really much happier.

But, that "more than trade". Were you buying a car with that money? Did the amount you sell if for account for the tax difference? If it did, I may have to challenge the idea that the buyer did better than negotiating a lower price at a dealer. But, there are SOO many variables, that wouldn't be worth the debate. I've seen it work that way and then not work.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

But, that "more than trade". Were you buying a car with that money? Did the amount you sell if for account for the tax difference? If it did, I may have to challenge the idea that the buyer did better than negotiating a lower price at a dealer. But, there are SOO many variables, that wouldn't be worth the debate. I've seen it work that way and then not work.

I bought a new WRX. Yes of course I accounted for the tax difference. I ran all of the numbers in Excel and ran every dealer’s offer to get the bottom line figures. I’m not taking a $5,000 bath to save $400 in taxes lol.

I understand the profit motive, but don’t rip me off and don’t play games. That’s really all I ask for when I buy and/or sell a car. I ended up buying my WRX from a local dealer because it was a straight forward transaction with no BS. Everything was done in writing and I only went to the dealer when it was time to pick up the car and sign the paperwork.

I still can’t get over how expensive these cars have gotten in just three years. The sticker on mine was $31,xxx. The same car (2023 model) is now $36,xxx. The 2024 will probably be $38,000.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

I bought a new WRX. Yes of course I accounted for the tax difference. I ran all of the numbers in Excel and ran every dealer’s offer to get the bottom line figures. I’m not taking a $5,000 bath to save $400 in taxes lol.

I understand the profit motive, but don’t rip me off and don’t play games. That’s really all I ask for when I buy and/or sell a car. I ended up buying my WRX from a local dealer because it was a straight forward transaction with no BS. Everything was done in writing and I only went to the dealer when it was time to pick up the car and sign the paperwork.

I still can’t get over how expensive these cars have gotten in just three years. The sticker on mine was $31,xxx. The same car (2023 model) is now $36,xxx. The 2024 will probably be $38,000.

Tell me about it. I will be making the decision to get either a Forester this year or wait for the Outback(if I get to see it early). The decision will be made this year. I've pushed that off long enough. I had been waiting for the STI. Then I was going to get my DD. Then got hammered on that with STI dead. Now, I'll do my DD and then wait to see what fun cars are coming down the Subaru pipeline or just get a WRX. But, the prices......geez.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

I still can’t get over how expensive these cars have gotten in just three years. The sticker on mine was $31,xxx. The same car (2023 model) is now $36,xxx. The 2024 will probably be $38,000.

Subaru is passing the increasing emissions penalties on instead of eating them and they are choking off the car at the same time. Subaru’s goal is not to sell more WRXs or even to hold the line. Subaru will purposefully sell less and less

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

Subaru is passing the increasing emissions penalties on instead of eating them and they are choking off the car at the same time. Subaru’s goal is not to sell more WRXs or even to hold the line. Subaru will purposefully sell less and less

I don't know why they are being so slow with the transition to hybrids. The majority of the line up is boring and slow, just tack on a hybrid system. Help with CAFE regs, increase MPGs and consumers want it.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I don't know why they are being so slow with the transition to hybrids. The majority of the line up is boring and slow, just tack on a hybrid system. Help with CAFE regs, increase MPGs and consumers want it.

It seems people like to complain about Subaru Hybrids. They don't get the gagillion MPG a Prius does. Maybe they are just working on an improved system that would be more accepted. I'm very curious how well the Forester Hybrid sells in Japan. Or any of the other models for that matter.

[dgoodhue]

Honda discontinued the 2.0T in the Accord, Toyota next gen of Camry are hybrid only. I suspect the next generation of Legacy will drop the 2.4T engine. The next Gen STI is suppose to be Hybrid. The EPA has a big influence on where this segment is going. Subaru doesn’t sell 200k+ legacy and 200k+ Impreza to offset the fuel economy of the WRX like Toyota & Honda can like the accord/Camry and Corolla+Prius/Civic


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[Straight6]

https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/o...ff-great-cars/

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

It seems people like to complain about Subaru Hybrids. They don't get the gagillion MPG a Prius does. Maybe they are just working on an improved system that would be more accepted. I'm very curious how well the Forester Hybrid sells in Japan. Or any of the other models for that matter.

There have been 2 "Hybrids" in the US, the Crosstrek Strong Hybrid (2 eMotors) and the Crosstrek PHEV (Plug-in w/ 2 eMotors). The MY25 Forester is an unknown.

ROW had/has the eBoxer, a Mild Hybrid (1 eMotor).

A lot of the inefficiency comes from a small battery, and placing eMotor 2 (MG2) at the transmission (not on 1 axle like Toyota). So, the car is always AWD, not 2WD for efficiency.

I am not calling for a 2WD Subaru, but that is why it is inefficient comparatively.

Either way, all CVT Subarus need a hybrid system to increase MPG and to help with CAFE, so we can have a STI or at least, better WRX.

[20WRX20]

I think people should focus on driving less instead of adding a bunch of weight and complexity (not to mention cost) to their vehicles just to save a few hundred dollars on gas per year.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by dgoodhue

Honda discontinued the 2.0T in the Accord, Toyota next gen of Camry are hybrid only. I suspect the next generation of Legacy will drop the 2.4T engine. The next Gen STI is suppose to be Hybrid. The EPA has a big influence on where this segment is going. Subaru doesn't sell 200k+ legacy and 200k+ Impreza to offset the fuel economy of the WRX like Toyota & Honda can like the accord/Camry and Corolla+Prius/Civic


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I could see the 2.4T dropped in favor of a 2.5L Hybrid (since those are US built).

STI is a pipedream. We will see that in 10 years, as the STe if we are lucky.

[neg_matnik]

As I said as soon as FA24DIT showed up, it is ill-suited for fuel efficiency because of bore > stroke.
Besides Porsche, all the other 4 pot turbo mills out there are either square or undersquare.
IMO, that means FA24DIT always had limited shelf life by design.
Subaru is aware; I believe they just never cared enough to do something about it.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

As I said as soon as FA24DIT showed up, it is ill-suited for fuel efficiency because of bore > stroke.
Besides Porsche, all the other 4 pot turbo mills out there are either square or undersquare.
IMO, that means FA24DIT always had limited shelf life by design.
Subaru is aware; I believe they just never cared enough to do something about it.

Nah, bro. 400 whp with just a tune! It’ll last forever!

/s