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Old 01-17-2017, 03:20 PM   #3801
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Yeah GTI's have poor trade-in.. That's why you have to get them discounted so much, I am pretty surprised at how bad trade-in is on the Facebook group I am on. R is better but not Subaru good, but all the same I would take a GTI all day long over an Impreza if the price is that close.

AWD is nice to have but get a set of dedicated winter tires on a GTI and you are good to go.
It's all linked; discounts hurt trade-in and resale value.
You either pay upfront (less discounts) or pay later (more discounts but lower resale).
Doesn't matter to me too much though as, in general, I keep cars for a while.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:12 PM   #3802
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Resale of R's up here in Canada is insane. Way better than any Subaru but I think Canadians like VW's more than Americans and Subaru's less.
I am guessing people in Canada might value AWD a little more

I take my R to a non-VW dealer shop for maintenance (they work on only Audi, VW, Porsche) and have had two people offer to buy my car when I am ready to sell it. I think people here get the R due to the snow and I see a lot more VW's in New England than I did in the midwest.
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:28 PM   #3803
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It's all linked; discounts hurt trade-in and resale value.
You either pay upfront (less discounts) or pay later (more discounts but lower resale).
Doesn't matter to me too much though as, in general, I keep cars for a while.
Thats true, thats why all the american brands get killed on trades. 10k off new kills resale.
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Old 01-17-2017, 05:35 PM   #3804
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I bought a truck for a 1'er. Turned around and sold it for a 2'er.
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Old 01-18-2017, 07:55 AM   #3805
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low end impreza should def have better resale. I personally would rather enjoy the car I plan to drive daily for 3 or 4 years than hate every minute of it and have a few grand better resale.
Hmm...maybe. When I ditched my 2.5i back in 2014, I didn't get that great return everyone talks about; but that being said...the value of my GTI after 6 months of having it is pretty low. Then again, I would much have a car that's enjoyable than a base level Subaru again. Even, with the heavy downpours we've been getting around Houston since last weekend, I'm still not running to drive a Subaru. The GTI gets the job done.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:48 AM   #3806
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Yeah GTI's have poor trade-in.. That's why you have to get them discounted so much, I am pretty surprised at how bad trade-in is on the Facebook group I am on. R is better but not Subaru good, but all the same I would take a GTI all day long over an Impreza if the price is that close.

AWD is nice to have but get a set of dedicated winter tires on a GTI and you are good to go.
GTI trade-in may be bad but my Focus ST was HORRIBLE! I purchased a new '13 ST3 in September for just under $30K ($29 and change I think). When I went to trade in my ST3 for my Golf R in October of 2015, I got a little over $15K for it. The car depreciated 50% in just 2 years! Holy crap!

I got a flyer in the mail from some company wanting my ST a few months ago and they were going to offer me "an amazing" $9500. So from September '13 to November '16 the car went from $30K to $9.5K. That blows mind!
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:01 AM   #3807
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Hmm...maybe. When I ditched my 2.5i back in 2014, I didn't get that great return everyone talks about; but that being said...the value of my GTI after 6 months of having it is pretty low. Then again, I would much have a car that's enjoyable than a base level Subaru again. Even, with the heavy downpours we've been getting around Houston since last weekend, I'm still not running to drive a Subaru. The GTI gets the job done.
it boggles my mind that we N&R gang all being in HOuston have not met.
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:39 AM   #3808
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GTI trade-in may be bad but my Focus ST was HORRIBLE! I purchased a new '13 ST3 in September for just under $30K ($29 and change I think). When I went to trade in my ST3 for my Golf R in October of 2015, I got a little over $15K for it. The car depreciated 50% in just 2 years! Holy crap!
Private party value, as of January 2017, for a 2013 Focus ST3 (w/ 40k miles) is $15,470. Trade in is $13,800.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just showing that there are often depreciation curves that don't make sense, especially when talking about trade-in value. It looks like you could've driven the Focus for another year with very little depreciation.
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:12 PM   #3809
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I am guessing people in Canada might value AWD a little more

I take my R to a non-VW dealer shop for maintenance (they work on only Audi, VW, Porsche) and have had two people offer to buy my car when I am ready to sell it. I think people here get the R due to the snow and I see a lot more VW's in New England than I did in the midwest.
One would think but that's not the case. Canada is Subaru's 3rd best market after Australia which is opposite of what you would expect seeing Australia is less populated and has a much better climate. Canadians love FWD cars as the top selling cars in 2016 were;
  1. Civic
  2. Elantra
  3. Corolla
  4. Cruze
  5. Mazda 3
  6. Jetta
  7. Golf
  8. Camry
  9. Sentra
  10. Focus

Subaru doesn't get in the picture until 18. Canadians are used to winter weather so we don't feel the need for AWD nearly as much as we have more confidence in our winter driving skills. When I hear Americans here state that "AWD is a must have" that's kind of a weird thing to hear from a Canadian point of view seeing how most people up here roll in FWD cars. Also we have less disposable income so we tend to seek better value.

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Old 01-18-2017, 03:13 PM   #3810
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GTI trade-in may be bad but my Focus ST was HORRIBLE! I purchased a new '13 ST3 in September for just under $30K ($29 and change I think). When I went to trade in my ST3 for my Golf R in October of 2015, I got a little over $15K for it. The car depreciated 50% in just 2 years! Holy crap!

I got a flyer in the mail from some company wanting my ST a few months ago and they were going to offer me "an amazing" $9500. So from September '13 to November '16 the car went from $30K to $9.5K. That blows mind!
Why not sell private party then, to...ya' know, get more money for your car?



I've only traded in one car.
2006 Mazda5
It had 80,000+ miles and some brake line issues that the dealer couldn't fix properly.
Knowing I was going to take a bath on it anyways, the VW dealer gave me $4,000 for it in 2011 towards a new Golf TDI...which VW is now going to give me $18,638 for it with 95,000+ miles.

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Old 01-18-2017, 08:08 PM   #3811
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Why not sell private party then, to...ya' know, get more money for your car?







I've only traded in one car.

2006 Mazda5

It had 80,000+ miles and some brake line issues that the dealer couldn't fix properly.

Knowing I was going to take a bath on it anyways, the VW dealer gave me $4,000 for it in 2011 towards a new Golf TDI...which VW is now going to give me $18,638 for it with 95,000+ miles.





Yeah, about that, I had a 2013 Focus ST with the ST2 package (recaros, nav, moonroof,). It was in excellent condition. And had 30k miles. I was including a set of almost new Nokian Hakka snow tires. It took forever to sell private party and I was lucky to get 15k.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:33 AM   #3812
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Well, yeah... it's a Ford that's not a special edition model (GT350, FoRS, GT).
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:23 AM   #3813
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Private party value, as of January 2017, for a 2013 Focus ST3 (w/ 40k miles) is $15,470. Trade in is $13,800.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just showing that there are often depreciation curves that don't make sense, especially when talking about trade-in value. It looks like you could've driven the Focus for another year with very little depreciation.
I get where you are coming from and the $9.5 was just a flyer. But it just was more of a shocker that the car had depreciated by 50% in that short of time. I think Rob is right that it has a lot to do with being a ford.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:21 AM   #3814
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GTI trade-in may be bad but my Focus ST was HORRIBLE! I purchased a new '13 ST3 in September for just under $30K ($29 and change I think). When I went to trade in my ST3 for my Golf R in October of 2015, I got a little over $15K for it. The car depreciated 50% in just 2 years! Holy crap!

I got a flyer in the mail from some company wanting my ST a few months ago and they were going to offer me "an amazing" $9500. So from September '13 to November '16 the car went from $30K to $9.5K. That blows mind!
Those cars are prime examples of discounts ruining resale. If you wait till one of the crazy promotions, or end of model year, you can buy an ST3 with everything for 24-25k. Ford outside of the F series trucks and ltd edition cars like a Shelby just don't hold value for crap.

And on the subaru value, Outbacks and WRX/STI hold great value. Everything else is good, but not like you get with the ones I mentioned.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:54 PM   #3815
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You Can Finally Get A Great Deal On A Volkswagen Golf R



Ever since the latest Volkswagen Golf R launched in America, I’ve been consistently getting emails from customers asking me to work my deal-making magic on this hottest of hatches. But for a long time, for various reasons, it could not be done. Now that inventory has reached almost 1,000 units, some dealers are offering great prices on the Golf R.

Over the past year, I put in pricing inquires on dozens of Golf Rs across the U.S.. Most of the time the answer was “Sticker price, take it or leave it.” Sometimes they would offer a few hundred bucks off and act like they were doing me a huge favor. Why no deals? It’s a limited-edition, limited-supply car with a lot of demand behind it. And while the Golf R might be worth its MSRP to some people, in the midst of Dieselgate when some GTIs were selling for $5,000 off sticker, the numbers didn’t add up for most enthusiasts in the market for one.

That is slowing starting to change. There are still some dealers holding strong to the MSRP or even putting markups on the R, but some careful shopping in the right metro areas reveal some pretty killer discounts. We’re talking $4,000 to $5,000 off the Golf R’s nearly $40,000 MSRP.

https://jalopnik.com/you-can-finally...f-r-1792353073
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:16 PM   #3816
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I'm curious on what kind of profit margin VW has with the R and what dealers make when they sell at MSRP. $40k just seems like a fat wad of money to throw down on a decently quick VW w/ AWD. Call me crazy, but i'd rather pick up a used S4 or M2 for that type of coin.

The other issue that I have is that I could not use this car as a daily driver and would have to be a second car. Again, at that cost point and for a second fun car, I have other cars much higher up on the list.

I do think the GTI is one hell of a bargain though, especially if you don't mind waiting a year and picking a CPO / used one. My MKVI was the best damn car that i've owned.
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:56 PM   #3817
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You can't buy an used M2 for $50k, let alone $40k. EAG lists theirs for around $60-65k so I assume private party goes for about $52-56k.

Why wouldn't you use a Golf R as a DD? It's a compromise car that's designed to do exactly that...
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:56 PM   #3818
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If they could get the manual in the 30-33 range they'd steal lots of wrx sales. Heck, it's still tempting at the 35 mark.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:06 PM   #3819
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If they could get the manual in the 30-33 range they'd steal lots of wrx sales. Heck, it's still tempting at the 35 mark.
The GTI is the WRX competitor, the R is positioned against the STI which is also $38-40k.
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:30 PM   #3820
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R is positioned against the STI which is also $38-40k.
Both are overpriced. Hot hatches shouldn't be in loaded pony car territory.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:00 PM   #3821
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I do not see why not. They are more crammed with technology than the muscle cars. RWD and a V8 are extremely cheap to make. They have been doing it for decades. I would probably say the pony cars are extremely overpriced. Not the hot hatches.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:29 PM   #3822
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If they could get the manual in the 30-33 range they'd steal lots of wrx sales. Heck, it's still tempting at the 35 mark.
Certified used is sitting right at these numbers....
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:06 PM   #3823
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Interesting that they had a base trim at ~35k, then dropped it for only a loaded ~40k version but now dealers are having to deal now.
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I think a lot of people who hate on a $40k Golf are missing the point.

Tell me another car under $40k that fulfills the following requirements:
-AWD
-I can put my 80lb labrador in it
-Wife can drive it because it's auto but it's DSG so it's not a crap cvt, ect
-Sporty/quick/fun to drive/ect

Bonuses:
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-Decent exterior aesthetics and a well finished interior
-By far my favorite thing is it's reserved. It's not flashy like an M car, evo, sti, mustang, ect.
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THIS is why I have one. Stick though, wife does not mind shifting.

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I think a lot of people who hate on a $40k Golf are missing the point.

Tell me another car under $40k that fulfills the following requirements:
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-I can put my 80lb labrador in it
-Wife can drive it because it's auto but it's DSG so it's not a crap cvt, ect
-Sporty/quick/fun to drive/ect

Bonuses:
-Fast as balls with down pipe and stage 2 tune
-Decent exterior aesthetics and a well finished interior
-By far my favorite thing is it's reserved. It's not flashy like an M car, evo, sti, mustang, ect.
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