Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday December 14, 2017
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Engine Management & Tuning > AccessPort

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-18-2013, 06:43 PM   #76
Chicago AJ
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 353343
Join Date: Apr 2013
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Suburb of Chicago
Vehicle:
'13 WRX Sedan Stg 3
'13 Prius C 86mpg!

Default

I'll give you 40 bucks for the Cobb intake map, lol.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Chicago AJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 10-18-2013, 07:00 PM   #77
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

Did 3 logs shortly after reflashing to the new map and I will post them up on what TP recommends to log. 59 degrees outside for logs.

Log 1

Log 2

Log 3

These were done right after flashing and I have sent them to Eric to have them be reviewed. I asked him about IDC as well as a few of my own questions. Will continue to update and let you know how things progress.

Last edited by AWDORBUST13; 10-18-2013 at 07:16 PM.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 07:09 PM   #78
Chicago AJ
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 353343
Join Date: Apr 2013
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Suburb of Chicago
Vehicle:
'13 WRX Sedan Stg 3
'13 Prius C 86mpg!

Default

Wow, those logs look great. IDC's are high for that intake temp. How does it feel compared to the Cobb maps?
Chicago AJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 07:15 PM   #79
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

It feels alot smoother in the transition and overall power is fairly noticeable. I did notice rather high boost (18.5) in 5th gear as I was driving back and giving it a little top end check. Will be interested to see what he wants to tweak and his responses to my questions.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 07:26 PM   #80
Chicago AJ
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 353343
Join Date: Apr 2013
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Suburb of Chicago
Vehicle:
'13 WRX Sedan Stg 3
'13 Prius C 86mpg!

Default

Yea, I went down to the 91 octane tune because I didn't want my intercooler to see 18 psi. I can't believe you don't have any knock at all, though, that's awesome. I think his tunes can run on 91 though as well. I might have to do this soon assuming we won't need pumps and injectors...
Chicago AJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2013, 07:29 PM   #81
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

I asked about that in the email, will keep you posted.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 01:30 AM   #82
snoopy_sti
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 164942
Join Date: Nov 2007
Vehicle:
2015 Porsche Cayman

Default

Log your TD error.
snoopy_sti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 11:40 AM   #83
Masterman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 360317
Join Date: Jun 2013
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Near the Beach, FL
Vehicle:
2015 WRX Limited
Galaxy BP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopy8818 View Post
Log your TD error.
I wouldn't mind seeing WGDC either

I want to see if TP is following Cobb's method of using low WGDC and ramping them down as RPM increases.
Masterman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 02:21 PM   #84
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

Will put it in to my accessport for my next logs, and Is there a max number of things to log on the V3?
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 03:22 PM   #85
BluewaterAWD
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 262210
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: International
Vehicle:
2011

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AWDORBUST13 View Post
Going to just go with torque performance tune for 85$ in the next couple days/ after the weekend since they offer quality tech support.

Kinda hit a brick wall on these forums other than cobbs replies of "get your tract tested", and "don't worry about those knocks". I'd like to believe it is nothing, but it will be worth 85$ to get some additional assistance.
An easy solution is to educate yourself. Read 'Maximum Boost by Corky Bell'. Read the Manifesto. Spend a lot of time on RomRaider. Don't take everything ChicagoAJ says as fact(Sorry, your history isn't helping you and your a fountain of misinformation. IDC and intake temps, after you have a thread about IDC's moving 100%+?? )Do continue to log. Don't continue to read too much into your logs. Do drive the car as you intend. Anyone who tells you to drive "10-15 miles" and then read your logs is talking out their ass. Reflash your ECU? Put a tank through it. Sure you can read the logs but I would not base a lot on it. Once you have a full tank through it, start to aggressively diagnose those logs. AF trims are just precautionary. The logs you have above are good, but, you have very minimal drive time on them. If you were to log again, the results would be different as the ECU continues to learn the various parameters. Run a week or so of start/stop cycles etc. Then readjust. Consistently changing the installed map will only result in your ECU having one hell of a hangover.

This is a complex piece of modern machinery. It's got a lot of nuisances that you can learn from. eTunes won't be your savior either. If you are not comfortable with the vehicle, uninstall and move forward. It's nothing to be scared about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterman View Post
I wouldn't mind seeing WGDC either
I want to see if TP is following Cobb's method of using low WGDC and ramping them down as RPM increases.
Is it bad that I was waiting for you to mention that. That's a great idea to compare the two. I've stayed out of the V332/333 threads because it's becoming a **** storm. I took the V330 map and started making my own changes to the WGDC. Seemingly good so far - Will hold until I get down to Innovative.n

Last edited by BluewaterAWD; 10-19-2013 at 03:29 PM.
BluewaterAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2013, 06:28 PM   #86
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

I appreciate all of the information, and have read through a large amount of material. When it comes to these forums I appreciate any input and that is what these forums are here for. Simply saying
Quote:
If you are not comfortable with the vehicle, uninstall and move forward. It's nothing to be scared about.
Is kind of the undermining tone you put into this post. When I purchased the V3 it seemed like a great idea as typically the OTS tunes were better than the factory tunes for the health of the vehicle.

Quote:
eTunes won't be your savior either
Did I say that they were? I went the eTune route so I can have additional support rather than relying too much on these forums.

I have put 6700 miles on my car since the beginning of August, so its fair to say I know that logs change over the course of miles, weather, gas types. I'm simply posting everything to these forums for either input, or to help someone who runs into the same thing as myself.

Thanks again for the reading material and your general knowledge of tuning is very helpful.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 12:36 AM   #87
Airboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72829
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Canada
Vehicle:
2006 WRX
2015 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluewaterAWD View Post
The logs you have above are good, but, you have very minimal drive time on them. If you were to log again, the results would be different as the ECU continues to learn the various parameters.
What "various parameters" are you referring to?
Airboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 01:00 AM   #88
BluewaterAWD
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 262210
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: International
Vehicle:
2011

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboy View Post

What "various parameters" are you referring to?
Fuel trims etc..
BluewaterAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 03:20 AM   #89
Airboy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72829
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Canada
Vehicle:
2006 WRX
2015 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BluewaterAWD View Post
Fuel trims etc..
What falls under the "etc" category?
Airboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 11:00 AM   #90
BluewaterAWD
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 262210
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: International
Vehicle:
2011

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airboy View Post

What falls under the "etc" category?
Fkl/FKBL. The topic at hand is fuel trims

The point is - The vehicle learns what you have applied and that in the interest of ensuring you capture the best data it is best to put some mileage/start cycles on it.

Specific to here the OP has concerns about fluctuating fuel trims. Reflashing and logging right away won't give him the best results to diagnose. You need to cycle it
BluewaterAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 11:19 AM   #91
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

I'm planning on putting some gas through this map and getting a couple logs before I switch to the map that I received from TP regardless.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 12:33 PM   #92
BluewaterAWD
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 262210
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: International
Vehicle:
2011

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AWDORBUST13 View Post
I'm planning on putting some gas through this map and getting a couple logs before I switch to the map that I received from TP regardless.
You've got the right thought in mind. When I say 'If you are not comfortable with the vehicle, uninstall and move forward. It's nothing to be scared about' I'm not referring to you as an individual. I'm saying if you believe there is an issue, or are concerned about one, remove the map and diagnose the vehicle. You did your homework, smoked etc and nothing was there so now its time to put some mileage on it.

When I say don't be scared about it - Let's be honest, you're concerned about the trims causing an issue. Perfectly normal, and perfectly understood. I spent a lot of time concerned about rings, and oil starvation and then realized I wasn't going to drive this car everyday concerned about the what ifs. If it was going to happen, it's going to happen. So enjoy it, and don't fret about it.

No undermining intended. Just find it difficult at times to see the stuff people spew and how adverse it can be. Take the internet with a grain of salt. When COBB says its not a big deal, take it and move. You'll know it is. It's tough to give someone a pin point answer without seeing it in person. If you were close to me, I'd have zero concerns having you swing by for a look. Community help is great - Just need to factcheck what people are telling you.
BluewaterAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 04:47 PM   #93
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

I understand where you are coming from and it is all sound advice. I've pretty much gotten to the point now where looking and seeing knocks and fuel trims aren't making me drive more conservatively. Hopefully as I refine my tune everything will begin to even out, but I'm not holding my breath for perfect logs.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 06:43 PM   #94
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

As promised here are 2 logs after I put over a tank of gas through the first map.

Log 1

Log 2

Still getting some of that pesky Fine Knock Learning and Feedback Knock, but nothing drastic and nothing in increasing values.

My A/F Ratio (for what its worth) has been significantly more consistent on this tune. I have now uploaded the Revision 1 I recieved from Eric and will be putting a tank of gas through that before submitting more logs.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 08:59 PM   #95
snoopy_sti
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 164942
Join Date: Nov 2007
Vehicle:
2015 Porsche Cayman

Default

If you want to know when the knock is being learned you can log the knock sums because it could have been learned in a higher gear and just being re applied. You can also go in to ATR hook it up to the AP and load the map and look at it in realtime and I believe reset that table.
snoopy_sti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 08:01 AM   #96
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

Thanks for the advice, I will look into this when I get some time over the weekend.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 09:13 AM   #97
snoopy_sti
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 164942
Join Date: Nov 2007
Vehicle:
2015 Porsche Cayman

Default

This thread is so long... If your running the 93 map you can always run a 91 map and be very conservative. Or you can also copy over the 91 map Ignition table and put it into the 93 map so you retain the same boost level but just cut some timing out.
snoopy_sti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 09:31 AM   #98
AWDORBUST13
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 367361
Join Date: Sep 2013
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: VT
Vehicle:
2016 WRX STi

Default

Haha yes the thread is long, but as Cobb has advised others it's easier to keep all the information in one easily accessible thread.

As far as the mapping goes I have gone with torqued performance and Eric is adjusting the maps for me as I send logs (I am not experienced at adjusting logs and am still learning a lot about this machine). As cooler weather approaches I don't have any problem with lowering target boost for a safer engine.
AWDORBUST13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2017 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.