2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[Straight6]

WRX offers more for the price too. Fantastic motor with ton of headroom and a real, proven and bulletproof AWD. That is why it sells so well and will continue to dominate this segment.

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[ayau]

lol yall still arguing between wrx and grc? they're not even in the same price brackets.

wrx is 31k. grc is 40k (you won't find base models).

it would be nice if grc memorized the auto blipping downshift feature. i'm lazy and actually like that feature for daily driving.

[ayau]

lol yall still arguing between wrx and grc? they're not even in the same price brackets.

wrx is 31k. grc is 40k (you won't find base models).

it would be nice if grc memorized the auto blipping downshift feature. i'm lazy and actually like that feature for daily driving.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

lol yall still arguing between wrx and grc? they're not even in the same price brackets.

wrx is 31k. grc is 40k (you won't find base models).

it would be nice if grc memorized the auto blipping downshift feature. i'm lazy and actually like that feature for daily driving.

WRX Limited is about $38k. GRC Core + Options is $39k.

That is comfortably within reach for those buyers. It could also hold its resale value, so it may be a better buy, if it's a bit more expensive.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

WRX Limited is about $38k. GRC Core + Options is $39k.

That is comfortably within reach for those buyers. It could also hold its resale value, so it may be a better buy, if it's a bit more expensive.

grc with options is 40k, not 39k. not sure that 1k really matters.

wrx limited at 38 is bad value when grc is only 2k more. unless you really prefer wrx over grc for whatever reason. this is why you're seeing 3-4k off sticker in regions with a lot of supply.

grc absolutely holds its resale better based on supply demand. eg., wrx can be had below sticker today. grc will require a lot of effort to even locate that isn't presold. realistically probably waiting at least a few months before you can find one at sticker price.

the only wrx worth considering, IMO, is the base trim at 31k. of course this doesn't count the big discounts that can be had on the higher trims. personally i would only pay 27k for a base trim wrx.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by Straight6

WRX offers more for the price too. Fantastic motor with ton of headroom and a real, proven and bulletproof AWD. That is why it sells so well and will continue to dominate this segment.

Let us know when you do get yours though.
I considered getting one but I got something else instead and it's not a Subaru .

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

grc with options is 40k, not 39k. not sure that 1k really matters.

wrx limited at 38 is bad value when grc is only 2k more. unless you really prefer wrx over grc for whatever reason. this is why you're seeing 3-4k off sticker in regions with a lot of supply.

grc absolutely holds its resale better based on supply demand. eg., wrx can be had below sticker today. grc will require a lot of effort to even locate that isn't presold. realistically probably waiting at least a few months before you can find one at sticker price.

the only wrx worth considering, IMO, is the base trim at 31k. of course this doesn't count the big discounts that can be had on the higher trims. personally i would only pay 27k for a base trim wrx.

[Straight6]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

Let us know when you do get yours though.
I considered getting one but I got something else instead and it's not a Subaru .

It is irrelevant as to what I drive. The facts remain. If you chose something else, great. I am sure there is a thread somewhere about that car. The reality remains, the WRX just had the best month when it comes to sales. It will continue to sell well and be at the top of this segment, regardless of my or your opinion about it or what we currently drive. This forum is a very poor representation of reality. This thread is just for online entertainment. WRX will continue to sell because it offers things that no other car at this price point can or probably ever will, no matter how much people yell at the cloud about the plastic cladding.

[Straight6]

LOL, CGR is about 15-20 grand more than the WRX when it comes to real world pricing, that is even IF you can find one.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

Fixed those numbers for you, Premium doesn't get leather, you have to go up to the Limited, it's 37,xxx, after destination it's 38.5k. Base again, 32k after destination. I know there are some dealers out there offering discounts, but it's not everyone.

even better, premium is what I was thinking.

as far as the price, are you suggesting that the price for the base couldn't be negotiated to under 29k, the premium with HK/sunroof might be tough to negotiate to much lower than 33k, but I bet it could be done right now, today. (maybe not tomorrow, really depends on how far a dealer wants to go for quarterly numbers).

re: modding, I'd suspect some pads/fluid, maybe lines would help the wrx massively for a weekend track car, no need for the BBK

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Most are listed for 40k in my area. The build site isn’t reflective of actual inventory.

https://www.toyota.com/search-inventory/model/grcorolla/

[samagon]

Originally Posted by ayau

Most are listed for 40k in my area. The build site isn’t reflective of actual inventory.

https://www.toyota.com/search-invent...del/grcorolla/

you'll want to look at the fine print.

there are 3 listed in my area (sale pending on all 3).

up at the top there is a place where it lists: TOTAL MSRP.

then down at the bottom it says Contact Dealer for Price.

aka, sure, the MSRP is listed, but that is the MSRP, not the actual price. for that, you need to contact the dealer, and at this point, with those 3 already being accounted for? yeah, they aren't going to tell you what the sale price is, they'll tell you what markup they'll plan on charging for the next one that they get allocated though.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

Most are listed for 40k in my area. The build site isn't reflective of actual inventory.

https://www.toyota.com/search-invent...del/grcorolla/

Those probably have port accessories to add hundreds. Even then, the buyer pool is the same for the VB and GRC (for Limited vs Core, especially).

My point was that you can compare the VB to the GRC.

Whether or not you can find one, or negotiate is another story. That could all change by this summer.

I still think a GRC + ADM (within reason) after 5 years will be worth more than the WRX. It's a special car, compared to another WRX.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by samagon

you'll want to look at the fine print.

there are 3 listed in my area (sale pending on all 3).

up at the top there is a place where it lists: TOTAL MSRP.

then down at the bottom it says Contact Dealer for Price.

aka, sure, the MSRP is listed, but that is the MSRP, not the actual price. for that, you need to contact the dealer, and at this point, with those 3 already being accounted for? yeah, they aren't going to tell you what the sale price is, they'll tell you what markup they'll plan on charging for the next one that they get allocated though.

i was just giving him examples of what the actual inventory price is, assuming they're being sold at sticker.

[tolnep]

i dont know why anyone would discuss MSRP and gr corolla in the same post. they are basically unobtanium.

in concept its a cool thing, awd, 300hp, hatch. but but.. that 1.6L engine pushing 300 hp is, according to some things i've read, on par with the buggati v16 in hp per liter. which means it aint a tuner car unless you are willing to really push this thing way beyond what would be considered safe.

they should have brought the gr yaris over. they should have brougt a lot of gr yarises over, enough to allow folks to get them at msrp.. but no..

but regardless, they are next to impossible to find and all bring a hefty market adjustment. and at least one motor has grenaded and there is at least on report of the awd going to front wheel drive only due to heat on a track day.

will it hold its value compared to a wrx.. absolutely.. but thats about all you can say about its 'value'.

as an alternative, you can buy a wrx, add tuning and a few other things and probably get near or better performance for about what you would pay for the gr corolla at msrp. but then its been modified, it wont retain its value and any warranty work may not be paid for by subaru.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Those probably have port accessories to add hundreds. Even then, the buyer pool is the same for the VB and GRC (for Limited vs Core, especially).

My point was that you can compare the VB to the GRC.

Whether or not you can find one, or negotiate is another story. That could all change by this summer.

I still think a GRC + ADM (within reason) after 5 years will be worth more than the WRX. It's a special car, compared to another WRX.

all official port accessories are listed in the online inventory tool.

the things that aren't listed are dealer "accessories", e.g., tint, ceramic coat, etc.

ADM is a religion at this point. you either believe in it or not. it's just pure preference. i don't think it's worth any dollar amount over sticker, but nobody cares about my opinion. it's your money, do as you please.

toyota priced these cars based on what they believe it's worth. it's not like toyota will collect any of that ADM fee.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by tolnep

i dont know why anyone would discuss MSRP and gr corolla in the same post. they are basically unobtanium.

in concept its a cool thing, awd, 300hp, hatch. but but.. that 1.6L engine pushing 300 hp is, according to some things i've read, on par with the buggati v16 in hp per liter. which means it aint a tuner car unless you are willing to really push this thing way beyond what would be considered safe.

they should have brought the gr yaris over. they should have brougt a lot of gr yarises over, enough to allow folks to get them at msrp.. but no..

but regardless, they are next to impossible to find and all bring a hefty market adjustment. and at least one motor has grenaded and there is at least on report of the awd going to front wheel drive only due to heat on a track day.

will it hold its value compared to a wrx.. absolutely.. but thats about all you can say about its 'value'.

as an alternative, you can buy a wrx, add tuning and a few other things and probably get near or better performance for about what you would pay for the gr corolla at msrp. but then its been modified, it wont retain its value and any warranty work may not be paid for by subaru.

they can be found at msrp. i bought one at msrp. maybe 30% of them are being sold at msrp? on the other hand, maybe 5% of the new type r are being sold at msrp.

VA WRX is the better tuning platform, for now. maybe it will change in a year when there's more development time on the GRC. the ecu was recently cracked.

in theory, the 2.4 VA motor has more tuning overhead though. but this sort of discussion is goes down a rabbit hole. your limiting factor is your wallet.

nobody knows what caused the motor failure. could be a money shift, could be an engine defect. who knows. thanks to social media, it's the only thing people talk about.

the overheating awd on the grc is true. gr yaris also had the same problem. you'd think toyota would have gotten ahead of that, but i guess not. for street driving, not an issue.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

all official port accessories are listed in the online inventory tool.

the things that aren't listed are dealer "accessories", e.g., tint, ceramic coat, etc.

ADM is a religion at this point. you either believe in it or not. it's just pure preference. i don't think it's worth any dollar amount over sticker, but nobody cares about my opinion. it's your money, do as you please.

toyota priced these cars based on what they believe it's worth. it's not like toyota will collect any of that ADM fee.

$38k WRX vs $39k GRC or $40k with accessories (WRX can be loaded up with them too) still means they are the same buyers.

[jimbobjohnbrown]

Originally Posted by samagon

even better, premium is what I was thinking.

as far as the price, are you suggesting that the price for the base couldn't be negotiated to under 29k, the premium with HK/sunroof might be tough to negotiate to much lower than 33k, but I bet it could be done right now, today. (maybe not tomorrow, really depends on how far a dealer wants to go for quarterly numbers).

I picked up my Limited with the STI short throw, all-weather mats (would've got Huskies, but I dig the OEM ones with the raised red WRX lettering), wheel locks and cargo tray for $33,793.

The same dealer is now listing '22 base models for 4k under. 26.6k for a new base model is a heck of a deal!
I chose to get the top trim at the lower price (4.5k under MSRP) for the lovely seats. Having adjustable lumbar is a godsend!

Good time to buy.


P.S. If anyone is in the market to buy one and lives in or near Massachusetts, the dealer I bought from with the good prices is Quirk Works Subaru in Braintree >>> https://www.quirkworkssubaru.com/

I highly recommend them. Not only for the good prices (they also gave me +$1000 for my trade over any other dealer, with ZERO haggling!), but for the fast and easy process overall. They don't try and sell you nonsense add-ons like extended warranties, scotchgaurd seat protector cr@p, etc. They don't even have finance guys on staff! Everything is done through the sales guys, a very stripped down operation.

[ayau]

boggles my mind on why subaru sent so many wrxs to that region. poor forecasting on their part.

if it wasn't for my bad habit of swapping cars all the time, i'd probably get a 26.6k base and an e85 tune over a 40k grc.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

boggles my mind on why subaru sent so many wrxs to that region. poor forecasting on their part.

if it wasn't for my bad habit of swapping cars all the time, i'd probably get a 26.6k base and an e85 tune over a 40k grc.

New England is the top selling (someone from CO or PNW correct me) for all Subaru dealers.

However, Subaru of New England (SNE) is an independent distributor, unrelated to SOA. They order cars direct. Tom Doll (RIP) and his cronies have nothing to do with the allocations to New England. Same goes for Hawaii and Subaru Distributors Corp. (New York and Northern NJ).

[samagon]

Originally Posted by ayau

in theory, the 2.4 VA motor has more tuning overhead though. but this sort of discussion is goes down a rabbit hole. your limiting factor is your wallet.

not to get all "that thing got a HEMI", but as they say, there's no replacement for displacement.

I mean, technology and efficiency can get a smaller engine closer to a bigger engine, but if the same technology and efficiency is employed on the bigger engine, you can get back on the track of displacement being the king.

some of the technology that's packed into the GR Corolla, it's impossible to implement on a flat engine (cylinder offset from the crankshaft for instance, I mean, I suppose you could do cylinder offset on a flat engine), the inherent nature of the gains they saw with a 3 cylinder turbo vs a 4 cylinder, but there's 1.5x more displacement for the WRX over the GRC.

the GRC has 26psi of boost to achieve 30 more HP than the WRX gets with 12psi of boost. when you look at it from that perspective, that's pretty insane.

bump the WRX up to 15 PSI of boost and I bet you're already putting more HP to the wheels.

at that point, it's a bit of the 20 year old question we've been working over so often here on NASIOC, tune a WRX to be similar to a STI, or just get the damned STI? even if you have a tuned WRX, I still get a better trans, beefier components, better brakes, sharper handling, and if you are comparing a stock GRC against a tuned WRX, a fully intact warranty.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by samagon

not to get all "that thing got a HEMI", but as they say, there's no replacement for displacement.

I mean, technology and efficiency can get a smaller engine closer to a bigger engine, but if the same technology and efficiency is employed on the bigger engine, you can get back on the track of displacement being the king.

some of the technology that's packed into the GR Corolla, it's impossible to implement on a flat engine (cylinder offset from the crankshaft for instance), the inherent nature of the gains they saw with a 3 cylinder turbo vs a 4 cylinder, but there's 1.5x more displacement for the WRX over the GRC.

the GRC has 26psi of boost to achieve 30 more HP than the WRX gets with 12psi of boost. when you look at it from that perspective, that's pretty insane.

bump the WRX up to 15 PSI of boost and I bet you're already putting more HP to the wheels.

at that point, it's a bit of the 20 year old question we've been working over so often here on NASIOC, tune a WRX to be similar to a STI, or just get the damned STI? even if you have a tuned WRX, I still get a better trans, beefier components, better brakes, sharper handling, and if you are comparing a stock GRC against a tuned WRX, a fully intact warranty.

Yea but VC vs Clutch-Pack... JK, I'm just being a PITA.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Yea but VC vs Clutch-Pack... JK, I'm just being a PITA.

let's go down this rabbit hole though...

technically the way the clutch pack is implemented in the GRC it is a viscous coupling!

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by samagon

let's go down this rabbit hole though...

technically the way the clutch pack is implemented in the GRC it is a viscous coupling!

Not all. The clutch pack (not a differential) on the GR-Four system is electronically actuated based on data from the car sensors. A Viscous Coupling differential is analog and uses the difference in axle speeds to cause a sheering action of the internal plates which heat up a liquid, that liquid hardens slowing the plates and bringing the system back to 50:50.