2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[20WRX20]

So is this fisher price hunk of junk getting refreshed for MY 2025 or what?

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[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

So is this fisher price hunk of junk getting refreshed for MY 2025 or what?

besides the 25 ts, no yet

[Straight6]

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Spot on. This is by far the best WRX yet, so much better looking than the VA and the FA24 is a vast improvement over the FA20DIT. I can't wait for the tS. Love it!

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

You should, its a sleeper. Some guys wont race me cuz they in a v8 or bmw. They try to boost away.. try.

Just stop. Outside of heavy scat packs, your WRX (assuming modified) isn't keeping up with any modern M40i spec BMW, real Ms, and most V8s

If your stock, you aren't beating anyone. Thanks though, your post reminded me of the forum one and done posters who would join, talk about beating some much faster car, get flame and bounce out

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by KC

Not sure where you were 25 years ago, when Subaru used to pay enough money in contingency for SCCA autocross/prosolo to cover most travel and entry expenses (and more) - if you were good and won.

[Looks at calendar, statute of limitations has expired...]

At nationals in '00, SoJ engineers and mgmt types, and a couple 'known entities' from SoA that also autocrossed had a little discussion with us, showing their enthusiasm with the motorsports side of things (also Subaru was going strong in WRC). Where the new WRX was just a whisper to most, it was confirmed it was coming. It was also explained to us then that if the WRX did well, in agreement with mitsu, The EVO would come followed shortly thereafter with the STi. Many happy smiles. Also many tight lips. (Because contingency). It was all planned and weighted heavily on WRX sales numbers.

"Exceeded expectations" is a phrase that applies. They were only thinking about 10k/year. Blew through it. ~36k with ~12k wagons for 2002. Game on. The only *shock* at the motorshow with the announcement of the STi, was not that it was coming. Not at all. Most knew by that time. The actual shock was that it had a 2.5L turbo for the US Market, and not the 2.0 sold elsewhere. They held that one under wraps really, really well.

The rest is history. WRC's new transverse engine rules eliminated subaru and Mitsu's decline had to move $$ elsewhere. "Love" was instituted and they pulled away from most grass-roots motorsports support.

I remember one comment I made to one of the engineers, "What would be a real hoot, is if you made the 2.5RS RWD only. Boxer, low slung drivetrain, no transfer case, can make it damn near 50/50 weight distribution." I still remember his head tilt, in a 'how dare you... but I'm intrigued'. We talked for about 5-10 minutes just on that from an angle of "Would be a fun autocross car."

Now, I'm not taking credit that they actually made one 12 years later (BRZ), but my ego likes to think I was the butterfly that flapped it's wings.

I don't doubt your right, I just recall seeing videos and the articles - one said something like 305hp surprise bomb dropped on Mitsubishi blah blah blah

I was shocked and had no Idea it was coming and the magazines that got delivered back then also sounded like they didn't know. I was very very young back then though.....

All these years everyone I spoke with all shared the same viewpoint in my old car circle

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Straight6

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Spot on. This is by far the best WRX yet, so much better looking than the VA

Yeah no.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true.

Your shilling is dead to us.

[Scooby-Doode]

Originally Posted by Straight6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ea2G575gKY

There is a ton of great information on his channel.

Originally Posted by Straight6

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Spot on. This is by far the best WRX yet, so much better looking than the VA and the FA24 is a vast improvement over the FA20DIT. I can't wait for the tS. Love it!

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

Yeah no.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true.

Your shilling is dead to us.

Has he bought one yet or is still just talking it up?

[bugatti0628]

Any chance STI is looking at the hybrid setup Porsche is using for the new 911 as something they can use for the revival of it. They won't use the 911 flat 6, but the 2.4 turbo properly tuned can be quite potent, together with the instant torque from the electric turbo. A manual tranny would be difficult to implement here. The only reason to bring a flat 6 paired with a hybrid and turbo would be revival of the svx

[20WRX20]

I’d be good with removing the cladding and rear bumper, exterior design like the Levorg, FA24 with beefed up internals making 400 hp, 6- speed trans with DCCD and f/r LSDs. It would be damn near perfect especially if it was around 50k.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

The idea to build a sports car and the idea to use Subarus plaform are two seperate ideas then if that's how you are thinking. They've talked before about how way back when they sat down and discussed how to build one, and no doubt the modified Subaru platform came up as the winner eventually after running through all the options.

I don't doubt the general idea of sports car started first. Then, when he thought about the 800, that's when he had the idea to bring it to Subaru....because boxer/rear drive.

[mcarb002]

Seriously considering making an offer for a 53k miles white 2012 hatch STI, 2 owners. Dealer asking for 27k lol
This new gen just doesn’t do it for me as much as I’ve considered it as well.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Seriously considering making an offer for a 53k miles white 2012 hatch STI, 2 owners. Dealer asking for 27k lol
This new gen just doesn’t do it for me as much as I’ve considered it as well.

27k?! Wow - 13yr old rig

[mcarb002]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

27k?! Wow - 13yr old rig

That’s what they’re asking for.
I’d ask them to do 23 lol
Apparently 27k is within fair price for this vehicle.
Yeah 13 year old car, that’s what you pay for nostalgia. We all got our vices. I did a vin check and has long service history so it was well kept with according to that. Of course I’d schedule a lemon squad or something if I was 100% going to proceed. Man I just love that hatch style.

[samagon]

yeah, before I got the GRC, I was tumbling the idea of a STI hatch, but then I started looking at prices for a reasonable STI, and nah.

I like to think I made the right choice. all the upgraded tech in an AWD hatch, and it was designed from the factory to have 3 cylinders, not something that just randomly happens when I'm driving.

[mcarb002]

Originally Posted by samagon

yeah, before I got the GRC, I was tumbling the idea of a STI hatch, but then I started looking at prices for a reasonable STI, and nah.

I like to think I made the right choice. all the upgraded tech in an AWD hatch, and it was designed from the factory to have 3 cylinders, not something that just randomly happens when I'm driving.

Damn son, shots fired! lol
Well, at least the Subies AWD wouldn’t limp into 2WD after overheating lol

Just messing with you man, there’s a GRC I see every morning on my way to drop my son off for daycare. It’s a sweet little car. I’ve just never been a fan of that sized vehicles. If I lived in Hawaii maybe.
Anyway, the hatch I was looking at is already getting sold so maybe good for me lol

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Damn son, shots fired! lol
Well, at least the Subies AWD wouldn’t limp into 2WD after overheating lol

Just messing with you man, there’s a GRC I see every morning on my way to drop my son off for daycare. It’s a sweet little car. I’ve just never been a fan of that sized vehicles. If I lived in Hawaii maybe.
Anyway, the hatch I was looking at is already getting sold so maybe good for me lol

Limp into 2WD ..or catch on fire.. or void warranty above 85mph.

Hopefully it holds the resale value.

[20WRX20]

If a car burns down your insurance pays you for lost value. What really happened was the idiot owner overpaid and still owed money after the insurance payout. So they went after Toyota for a “warranty” claim who pretty much told them to pound sand.

Not defending Toyota by any means but there’s always two sides to every story.

I’d definitely cough up a little extra and go for a new GRC over paying 27k for a used and likely beat on 2012 STi. You’ll probably end up putting 10k into the Subaru after the motor blows up anyway.

[Apb_pools]

A little extra, like 20k. I like your train of thought, id pay a lil bit extra myself over GRC and get an M5 myself.

What about the other GRC that burned same way? And is that the norm, to expect a new car to burn? Must be a feature.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

A little extra, like 20k. I like your train of thought, id pay a lil bit extra myself over GRC and get an M5 myself.

What about the other GRC that burned same way? And is that the norm, to expect a new car to burn? Must be a feature.

A GRC is not $47,000. They're $36,000 and you can finally buy them without markup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GRCorolla/c...d_for_your_gr/

People are getting them at MSRP and some are getting $ off MSRP. The days of $10,000 markup are long gone.

All cars have problems. Here's a WRX that caught fire, completely stock: https://www.reddit.com/r/subaru/comm...ng_completely/

If you want a hot hatch for mid-30s, the GRC is it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one because two cars out of tens of thousands caught fire. For all we know those could have been staged to get the insurance money (the circumstances around both fires are extremely fishy.)

Again, not defending Toyota, but it's not really cause for concern.

[Apb_pools]

Base is 37k if you can find one (open diffs). Circuit is 46k. My dealer has two circuits they cant move.

Only fishy thing about fire is hole in both engines and Toyotas response indicating 85mph speeds void warranty.

10s of thousands GRCs sold? Damn, is this in USA or the entire universe?

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

....I wouldn't hesitate to buy one because two cars out of tens of thousands caught fire. For all we know those could have been staged to get the insurance money (the circumstances around both fires are extremely fishy.)

Again, not defending Toyota, but it's not really cause for concern.

This statement can be used with the WRX and it's LITERAL 10s of thousands of cars out there. It's still "early" with the GRC. Maybe this is a bigger issue? I lean like you, though, that it probably isn't. But I also believe the WRX issues are vastly exaggerated(numbers of VINs) versus the numbers of cars sold.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

This statement can be used with the WRX and it's LITERAL 10s of thousands of cars out there. It's still "early" with the GRC. Maybe this is a bigger issue? I lean like you, though, that it probably isn't. But I also believe the WRX issues are vastly exaggerated(numbers of VINs) versus the numbers of cars sold.

Good rule of thumb is never buy the first few model years of anything. Mid-cycle refresh is usually where they have the issues ironed out. WRX issues are from people beating the piss out of the car, lugging the motor in every gear, using garbage dealer bulk oil and then running that for 6000 miles, etc.

You don’t see stock, well maintained, properly driven cars randomly failing. I’m sure it has happened but the majority of WRX failures I’ve seen are used cars people buy and then put trash OTS tunes on them and drive like they are Ken Block. I won’t even get into how Subaru bulk loses viscosity after 3,000 miles.

I personally wouldn’t buy a GRC, but if the choice was paying almost 30k for a used almost 15 year old STi from a dealer or 36k for a GRC, the GRC is the only intelligent option.

[Apb_pools]

Again the 36k GRC has open diffs. You gotta pay more for torsen diffs.

[20WRX20]

The performance pack is $1100.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

The performance pack is $1100.

You are crazier than i thought if you think they waiting on you to show up with 1100$ and requests for "your" setup.

You must be the same delusional guy who would just pop in cams and do headwork for 400whp? must be nice in your head, anything goes at any given moment.