2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[Russ_G93]

Heres a 2011 WRX (Edit - Realize its not an STI) with 42k miles on it, goes for 24,930. Unicorn mileage

Really makes me wonder how Toyota is going to price the Celica in comparison to the GRC. A 50k AWD 2.0l 400hp Celica would be bonkers, although, wasn't the old Celica GT like 20,000 in 1994?

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[SCRAPPYDO]

That looks like a WRX more than it does an STI

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Heres a 2011 STi with 42k miles on it, goes for 24,930. Unicorn mileage

Really makes me wonder how Toyota is going to price the Celica in comparison to the GRC. A 50k AWD 2.0l 400hp Celica would be bonkers, although, wasn't the old Celica GT like 20,000 in 1994?

As stated above, that is a WRX. Notice the side WRX badge, the 17" rims, normal brake calipers.

[Russ_G93]

So then definitely an STI sitting around that mileage would be 26-28k, thats some value retention for sure. But would such an investment make sense considering the moldings and plastics might be a little worse for wear?

[timpala11]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

Seriously considering making an offer for a 53k miles white 2012 hatch STI, 2 owners. Dealer asking for 27k lol
This new gen just doesn’t do it for me as much as I’ve considered it as well.

I got my one-owner, unmodified 2010 STI with 60k miles for $23,500 in Sept 2021 after Hurricane Ida destroyed my 2019 WRX. With the amount of money I have dumped into it I could have a GRC Circuit, but I have gone overboard with replacing things with the intention of having that car forever. My wife's FXT was destroyed as well so I was kind of in a rush to buy a car, and the GRC wasn't out yet.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Heres a 2011 STi with 42k miles on it, goes for 24,930. Unicorn mileage

Really makes me wonder how Toyota is going to price the Celica in comparison to the GRC. A 50k AWD 2.0l 400hp Celica would be bonkers, although, wasn't the old Celica GT like 20,000 in 1994?

Lmao that is a WRX and the price is in crack pipe territory. That’s a $20,000 car, tops. And even that is being generous. Awful color too. Red is the worst for resale.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Again the 36k GRC has open diffs. You gotta pay more for torsen diffs.

not that it matters, but the '25 will no longer come with open diffs, all specs will receive the Torsen diffs. pricing hasn't been released yet, but I'd guess the base price will go up by whatever the cost for the performance pack was. so 38k ish.

still, 38k ish for a brand new car, or 30k for 15 year old car.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

Lmao that is a WRX and the price is in crack pipe territory. That's a $20,000 car, tops. And even that is being generous. Awful color too. Red is the worst for resale.

Yeah I wasn't paying attention with the first post.

Prices are definitely pretty bonkers, but I guess mileage really affects the price. Heres one for $30k, 35K miles for a 2011. Better off getting a new VB instead (To Samagon's Point)
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...NWIDE_SHIPPING

And then a 2012 STI (Non hatch) with double the miles (68k), brings it down to $20K. Though CA pricing is highway robbery in general, I agree with Crack Pipe Description.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...6/NONE/DEFAULT

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

not that it matters, but the '25 will no longer come with open diffs, all specs will receive the Torsen diffs. pricing hasn't been released yet, but I'd guess the base price will go up by whatever the cost for the performance pack was. so 38k ish.

still, 38k ish for a brand new car, or 30k for 15 year old car.

I would say it matters if comparing to a STi which has proper differentials and is an AWD car. But you guys must be smoking something if you think you can order a GRC the way you like it, with user-specs selected. You get what your dealer ordered or was assigned in most cases.

And you cant drive it past 85mph if you want to preserve your warranty.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Yeah I wasn't paying attention with the first post.

Prices are definitely pretty bonkers, but I guess mileage really affects the price. Heres one for $30k, 35K miles for a 2011. Better off getting a new VB instead (To Samagon's Point)
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...NWIDE_SHIPPING

And then a 2012 STI (Non hatch) with double the miles (68k), brings it down to $20K. Though CA pricing is highway robbery in general, I agree with Crack Pipe Description.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...6/NONE/DEFAULT

Makes me wonder what my low mileage (16k) 100% stock always garaged VA is worth.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I would say it matters if comparing to a STi which has proper differentials and is an AWD car. But you guys must be smoking something if you think you can order a GRC the way you like it, with user-specs selected. You get what your dealer ordered or was assigned in most cases.

And you cant drive it past 85mph if you want to preserve your warranty.

There’s three colors and one option package. They are not really hard to find. Right now there are over 100 cars within 250 miles of my zip code.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Base is 37k if you can find one (open diffs). Circuit is 46k. My dealer has two circuits they cant move.

Only fishy thing about fire is hole in both engines and Toyotas response indicating 85mph speeds void warranty.

10s of thousands GRCs sold? Damn, is this in USA or the entire universe?

Dude how are you that off about cars?

A GRC w/perf package and climate pack was 38-39k. Not 20k or even 10k over the price of a VB

[KC]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Dude how are you that off about cars?

A GRC w/perf package and climate pack was 38-39k. Not 20k or even 10k over the price of a VB

Maybe with markup?

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I would say it matters if comparing to a STi which has proper differentials and is an AWD car. But you guys must be smoking something if you think you can order a GRC the way you like it, with user-specs selected. You get what your dealer ordered or was assigned in most cases.

And you cant drive it past 85mph if you want to preserve your warranty.

you can't order a Toyota. I got exactly what I wanted even in December of '22 and I didn't order.

if you walk onto a lot and expect to drive off with something, you may not get what you want, but if you contact a sales guy, give him your list, then in a few days/weeks/months, that same sales guy will reach back out and tell you he has what you are looking for.

neat how that works.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

you can't order a Toyota. I got exactly what I wanted even in December of '22 and I didn't order.

if you walk onto a lot and expect to drive off with something, you may not get what you want, but if you contact a sales guy, give him your list, then in a few days/weeks/months, that same sales guy will reach back out and tell you he has what you are looking for.

neat how that works.

Yes because your list/story translates into everyone’s list/story. Neat how your mind projects. They probably make a trim for everyone’s liking, you are probably right, especially with their high production numbers. (Sarcasm)

I was comparing an STi priced at 27k to a GRC top trim, apples-apples. I was not trying to compare base GRC to a top Subaru sports trim. But you guys can to prove a point, most people do. Like this guy above, he waited and got what he wanted so projected onto rest of the world. Lucky Toyota made a GRC for everyone.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Yes because your list/story translates into everyone's list/story. Neat how your mind projects. They probably make a trim for everyone's liking, you are probably right, especially with their high production numbers. (Sarcasm)

I was comparing an STi priced at 27k to a GRC top trim, apples-apples. I was not trying to compare base GRC to a top Subaru sports trim. But you guys can to prove a point, most people do. Like this guy above, he waited and got what he wanted so projected onto rest of the world. Lucky Toyota made a GRC for everyone.

you're running with theories. my data may only be anecdotal. anecdotal is better than theory. if you have something empirical, then you can ignore my anecdote and share the empirical data.

and what makes a STI a top trim? the performance? the fake leather? the technology? and why would it being a top trim matter?

I get it, you like the Subaru, and great, go get it, but be mindful of telling other people they are projecting, when you yourself are doing it, K?

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Yes because your list/story translates into everyone’s list/story. Neat how your mind projects. They probably make a trim for everyone’s liking, you are probably right, especially with their high production numbers. (Sarcasm)

I was comparing an STi priced at 27k to a GRC top trim, apples-apples. I was not trying to compare base GRC to a top Subaru sports trim. But you guys can to prove a point, most people do. Like this guy above, he waited and got what he wanted so projected onto rest of the world. Lucky Toyota made a GRC for everyone.

You don’t need the top trim to get the limited slip diffs.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

you're running with theories. my data may only be anecdotal. anecdotal is better than theory. if you have something empirical, then you can ignore my anecdote and share the empirical data.

and what makes a STI a top trim? the performance? the fake leather? the technology? and why would it being a top trim matter?

I get it, you like the Subaru, and great, go get it, but be mindful of telling other people they are projecting, when you yourself are doing it, K?

I dont like Subaru as a car maker specifically at all. I have 2 BMWs and had 4 over my lifetime, where as this is my second Subaru which is a daily workhorse.

I dislike dishonest or misleading arguments.

My empirical data is from two local Toyota dealers which i talked to and was told i get what they get/have and dont get to throw a fit or request cars. Your dealer must be better at customer service, or had more choices in 2022. I also run off common sense and know that not everyone can get a base with performance package or what they want, which is exactly what you suggested--give a list of what you want and wait (based on your list). And you KNOW that is not true, because Toyota premade them and you get what they made, not what you order. Or can you order one? I mean i ordered my BMW M3 just the way i wanted it, i built it online. I am not aware you can do that with a GRC. Can you?

What makes STi top trim is that it has different interior than a base WRX trim. Just like circuit trim probably has better than base Corolla interior. But again, you can be dishonest or misleading and compare base of one to top of the other to prove a point, you prerogative. I am just pointing out what may not seem obvious to you. Is there a trim above STi that i dont know about? Because if not, thats what makes it top trim. It matters not that STi is a top trim if you want to compare top to the base, but since one is top trim i was trying to be honest with myself (and others) and compare to top trim of GRC. I could reverse the question and ask, why are we comparing STi to GRC and not GRC to WRX at all then?

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

You don’t need the top trim to get the limited slip diffs.

You absolutely dont in theory.

In practice you cant get a base with performance package. Go try on their website and it will redirect you to available inventory, not a specific build YOU WANT. Because you are not building them, you are buying whats available.

How many do you think Toyota made in YOUR trim?

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I dont like Subaru as a car maker specifically at all. I have 2 BMWs and had 4 over my lifetime, where as this is my second Subaru which is a daily workhorse.

I dislike dishonest or misleading arguments.

My empirical data is from two local Toyota dealers which i talked to and was told i get what they get/have and dont get to throw a fit or request cars.

lol, so your data is anecdotal. I don't want to devolve this any farther than you are taking it, so I won't ask you to first understand what the difference between empirical and anecdotal is.

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Your dealer must be better at customer service, or had more choices in 2022.

my guess is better customer service. I reached out to them in October. gave them my list of what I wanted. I reached out to the sales guy once I saw the cars started getting delivered, and we stayed in contact pretty much every 2 weeks from that point, and he notified me when they had a car that matched my list of wants.

it wasn't that hard.

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I also run off common sense and know that not everyone can get a base with performance package or what they want, which is exactly what you suggested--give a list of what you want and wait (based on your list). And you KNOW that is not true, because Toyota premade them and you get what they made, not what you order. Or can you order one? I mean i ordered my BMW M3 just the way i wanted it, i built it online. I am not aware you can do that with a GRC. Can you?

nothing about what I stated is out of the ordinary, if you talk to people who have bought Toyotas, sure, it's not as easy as going into a Subaru dealer and telling the sales guy what you want and the exact car magically shows up a month/2 later. it still works.

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

What makes STi top trim is that it has different interior than a base WRX trim. Just like circuit trim probably has better than base Corolla interior. But again, you can be dishonest or misleading and compare base of one to top of the other to prove a point, you prerogative.

that's exactly why I asked. you need to define what you find valuable and what sets a car apart for you. the fact is, the GR Corolla, whether a core, circuit, premium, or whatever trim name they want to give it, the base core with LSD is comparable to a STI from a performance perspective. that is what I and others are measuring. now that I know you are impressed by fake leather, I know the core isn't something you'd consider. so for you, it's not a valid consideration. for a good many who are interested in the performance characteristics more than they are the seat material, the core is perfect, and paying 5-10k more to get a brand new vehicle with all the new technology that didn't exist 15 years ago is a no brainer.

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I am just pointing out what may not seem obvious to you. Is there a trim above STi that i dont know about? Because if not, thats what makes it top trim. It matters not that STi is a top trim if you want to compare top to the base, but since one is top trim i was trying to be honest with myself (and others) and compare to top trim of GRC. I could reverse the question and ask, why are we comparing STi to GRC and not GRC to WRX at all then?

I think where you are confusing things is the available vehicles.

when the WRX/STI had a hatch, it was based on an Impreza, on which the WRX and STI are based.

Toyota has the Corolla, on which the GR Corolla is based.

there is not a WRX comparable car in the lineup for the Corolla.

I think before we can have any educated discussion, we first have to agree upon these baseline facts.

and for what it's worth, in 2011 you could get a STI and a STI Limited...

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

lol, so your data is anecdotal. I don't want to devolve this any farther than you are taking it, so I won't ask you to first understand what the difference between empirical and anecdotal is.



my guess is better customer service. I reached out to them in October. gave them my list of what I wanted. I reached out to the sales guy once I saw the cars started getting delivered, and we stayed in contact pretty much every 2 weeks from that point, and he notified me when they had a car that matched my list of wants.

it wasn't that hard.



nothing about what I stated is out of the ordinary, if you talk to people who have bought Toyotas, sure, it's not as easy as going into a Subaru dealer and telling the sales guy what you want and the exact car magically shows up a month/2 later. it still works.



that's exactly why I asked. you need to define what you find valuable and what sets a car apart for you. the fact is, the GR Corolla, whether a core, circuit, premium, or whatever trim name they want to give it, the base core with LSD is comparable to a STI from a performance perspective. that is what I and others are measuring. now that I know you are impressed by fake leather, I know the core isn't something you'd consider. so for you, it's not a valid consideration. for a good many who are interested in the performance characteristics more than they are the seat material, the core is perfect, and paying 5-10k more to get a brand new vehicle with all the new technology that didn't exist 15 years ago is a no brainer.



I think where you are confusing things is the available vehicles.

when the WRX/STI had a hatch, it was based on an Impreza, on which the WRX and STI are based.

Toyota has the Corolla, on which the GR Corolla is based.

there is not a WRX comparable car in the lineup for the Corolla.

I think before we can have any educated discussion, we first have to agree upon these baseline facts.

and for what it's worth, in 2011 you could get a STI and a STI Limited...

So many words..

Subaru has an impreza, which to me is equivalent to corolla. Then there is wrx and sti, both based on impreza. STi is a top impreza model, what is top corolla model? Seems to me, like i said a grc should be comparable to a wrx (base, premium and limited) just like grc has 3 trims. But i didnt start the comparison, i am responding to it.

Where can i buy a white grc base with black interior for 38.2k. Please show me. Simple specs.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

So many words..

Subaru has an impreza, which to me is equivalent to corolla. Then there is wrx and sti, both based on impreza. STi is a top impreza model, what is top corolla model? Seems to me, like i said a grc should be comparable to a wrx (base, premium and limited) just like grc has 3 trims. But i didnt start the comparison, i am responding to it.

Where can i buy a white grc base with black interior for 38.2k. Please show me. Simple specs.

https://www.toyota.com/search-inventory/model/grcorolla/?zipcode=12303&showCompareVehicle=false&distance=5 00&trim%5B%5D=6281&year%5B%5D=2024%2C2023&extColor %5B%5D=0040

26 to choose from.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

https://www.toyota.com/search-inventory/model/grcorolla/?zipcode=12303&showCompareVehicle=false&distance=5 00&trim%5B%5D=6281&year%5B%5D=2024%2C2023&extColor %5B%5D=0040

26 to choose from.

2 starting at 40k.

Probably delivers to me for -2k to sell at 38k right?

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Dude how are you that off about cars?

A GRC w/perf package and climate pack was 38-39k. Not 20k or even 10k over the price of a VB

Was when? For the record i was responding to a comparison of STi thus comparing to top of line GRC to make it apple to apple. 27k+20 is 47 which is what GRC Circuit is.

In november of 2022 i got my vb for 28.9k for your info. So base GRC is really close to 10k over VB which is the only car it should be compared to, not an STi. Thats ~33% pricier.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

So many words..

Subaru has an impreza, which to me is equivalent to corolla. Then there is wrx and sti, both based on impreza. STi is a top impreza model, what is top corolla model? Seems to me, like i said a grc should be comparable to a wrx (base, premium and limited) just like grc has 3 trims. But i didnt start the comparison, i am responding to it.

Where can i buy a white grc base with black interior for 38.2k. Please show me. Simple specs.

but it's not.