New WRX and new engine on the way

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

Better news, VB and VA were such an aesthetic abomination that even a blurry poster is an improvement.

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[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by dwf137

Okay. But the economic situation in 2008 was drastically different. It required US tax payers to bail out major automobile manufacturers. Discounts were needed to move anything at that point. Our economy right now has a lot of uncertainty, but the stock market hasn't yet had that level of correction.

Oh and the 2008 wrx was the most disappointing WRX up until 2022. Difference is, they fixed it in 2009 instead of just limping it along with huge discounts for another 3+ years.



The car has risen in price roughly along with it's historic peers.

Not Subaru.2007? Yeah. 2008 and the next 11 years? No. 2008 STi was it's own thing. Being a disappointment on a few levels including being hatch only.

Originally Posted by samagon

this is exactly the point.

either the WRX GT was a car that only existed after Subaru made the choice to cancel the STI, or the STI would have priced itself out of existence, or the WRX GT would have never been bought by anyone because why get that when they can get the STI for the same price?

there's only one scenario of the 3 that makes sense from a smart people making smart decisions perspective, and as much as SoDealer wants to pretend he knows what goes on in the NJ boardroom, his suggestion that the WRX GT would exist next to a STI makes no sense at all.

Why not? A fully loaded Crosstrek is more expensive than a base model of another line. The top WRX can certainly be available next to a base STI. If they chose to have such an offering.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

60k is 3.0 GR Supra territory

Supra is done this model year.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

WRX pricing wasn't related to the STI going away. It was related to penalties. WRX GT was in the lineup while the STI was still expected to exist.

Hmm, looking like I was only off by a year and a half or so? I know you don’t know what this is, but I do

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Yes.

This is not that.

I'm sure he will come in to remind everyone of what was said about this generation. Which is clearly needed.



Failure?

It was selling quite fine until all the price increases. Even mad dashes to get the pre-price hiked ones.


But I do hope for a hatch. Preferably both; but, for me, I'd rather a hatch.

The price hike (along with the elimination of the base model) is really what gets to me. Subaru used the “tariffs” excuse (even though the tariffs haven’t been enacted yet and likely never will because the president doesn’t have the authority to do that, but that’s a topic for another discussion.)

I was just at my local dealer and they want almost 43k for a Premium. I bought this car because it was a good value at 30k. At 43k, I’m getting a midsize truck which is infinitely more useful as a daily driver.

The WRX has been priced out of affordable DD territory and into the niche sport compact territory. I expect sales to continue to plummet. Now if they redesign it and give us the STi we always wanted for 45-50k then I may bite. But right now the WRX is off my new car list.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Supra is done this model year.

Yea, this generation. I thought there was talk about a MK6 coming for 2027, if so that'll be an increased price no doubt. They're even hemming and hawing about keeping the 86 going as well

[samagon]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Why not? A fully loaded Crosstrek is more expensive than a base model of another line. The top WRX can certainly be available next to a base STI. If they chose to have such an offering.

you're comparing the price overlap of similarly priced MODELS vs the overlap of similarly priced TRIMS?

as far as Subaru is concerned, the STI is a trim of the WRX, not a distinct model (at least I never saw a sales report that listed their sales numbers separately), as far as (most) people who are buying the car are concerned, the STI is a trim of the WRX, but a much better trim.

if 2 trims of the same model are priced the same, people are going to be far more likely to buy the trim that is seen as better.

[Scooby-Doode]

Subaru WRX Sales Have Fallen Off a Cliff
Subaru sold less than 500 WRXs in May. But BRZ sales increased 43.6 percent in the same period.

https://www.motor1.com/news/761832/s...ay-sales-down/

Ohh I sat in the WRX TS at the car show, liked the interior despised the exterior. Still a hard pass.

Bring the dang next iteration... Some of us are waiting.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Hmm, looking like I was only off by a year and a half or so? I know you don’t know what this is, but I do

WHAT!?! Go back to that thread. You were off by the whole damn lifecycle of the vehicle. And you clearly don't know what this is if you're relating it to a WRX refresh.

[20WRX20]

This is probably just going to be a GRC with a Subaru badge.

[SoDealer]

It isn't what anyone thinks it is and it's irrelevant for us. Don't get gaslit by R4 again.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

This is probably just going to be a GRC with a Subaru badge.

they could make a worse choice, but it'd be great to see something fully Subaru, especially with a starting point of the Impreza hatch, which is already pretty sharp on looks.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by samagon

you're comparing the price overlap of similarly priced MODELS vs the overlap of similarly priced TRIMS?

as far as Subaru is concerned, the STI is a trim of the WRX, not a distinct model (at least I never saw a sales report that listed their sales numbers separately), as far as (most) people who are buying the car are concerned, the STI is a trim of the WRX, but a much better trim.

if 2 trims of the same model are priced the same, people are going to be far more likely to buy the trim that is seen as better.

I don't disagree with you on how Subaru internally counts the car; but, they are different enough. If you don't like my original comparison, how about a limited Outback versus a base 3.6 Outback(only happened one year)? Over it's history, there typically wasn't a lot going into them. WRX had these struts and those brakes. Cloth and leather. STI had all the upgraded ones. No place for overlap. Now there would be room for that overlap. WOULD they offer a "base" STI to have an overlap? I dunno and would lean to no; but, maybe they'd wanna make a more "affordable" STI trim. And I certainly agree to your assertion that someone may not care about the performance gains of a STI to chose a base model versus a tS WRX with ALL the bells and whistles. Nothing wrong with that. STIs were low numbers compared to WRXs. I don't think a more expensive tS would hurt a base model STI's sales.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

It isn't what anyone thinks it is and it's irrelevant for us. Don't get gaslit by R4 again.

You don't know what it is, I don't gas light, but I also can't say what it is.

Maybe its a hatch, maybe the VB STI is making its debut after being production ready and halted, maybe its a BS concept. You tell us SoDealer, since you're the Subaru product wizard

[rallly 4]

Looks like a North American car, look at the wipers

[SoDealer]

Unlike you, I wouldn't say I did if I didn't. And there is nothing for us to see here.

Once again, the VB STI wasn't production ready. No matter how many times you repeat it, it's not true. Everything except a major component of it was ready, which made it still a ways out from production.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

It isn't what anyone thinks it is and it's irrelevant for us.

The forum and manner in which they announced what appears to be some kind of race car had me expecting exactly this. Still, considering what they're saying it is encouraging.

[chanomatik]

N&R used to be fun, when Subaru used to be fun. This teased WRX had the exact result I feared would pop-up in my newsfeed, which is everyone screaming "OMG! NEW STI!!!"...

It's almost as bad as people crying about the S210 Prototype. There are never any nuanced discussions. Just clickbait and whining. North American's have always had a diminished world view, and it has worsened over the last decade.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

N&R used to be fun, when Subaru used to be fun. This teased WRX had the exact result I feared would pop-up in my newsfeed, which is everyone screaming "OMG! NEW STI!!!"...

It's almost as bad as people crying about the S210 Prototype. There are never any nuanced discussions. Just clickbait and whining. North American's have always had a diminished world view, and it has worsened over the last decade.

and if it's something less than a WRX?

[fredzy]

That's a heck of a widebody for a 150hp Impreza hatch lol

[bugatti0628]

Any possibility, they are working on a brand new 2.4 turbo that is electrified in some way. Be it an electric turbo or some other sort of hybridization to make it more fuel efficient. Don't forget Porsche has a 911 hybrid. I mean theirs is a hybrid turbo flat 6 but it is a boxer motor nonetheless. If they design it properly, it can lead to interesting power gains. The sacrifice might be the hybrid trim can only be automatic. That would be perfect for cars like a new ascent or hybrid outback

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

and if it's something less than a WRX?

Originally Posted by fredzy

That's a heck of a widebody for a 150hp Impreza hatch lol

Exactly my thought since I'm not sure how to interpret SoDealer's comment!

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

Unlike you, I wouldn't say I did if I didn't. And there is nothing for us to see here.

Once again, the VB STI wasn't production ready. No matter how many times you repeat it, it's not true. Everything except a major component of it was ready, which made it still a ways out from production.

That’s not true at all, the cars were done in US spec getting quality checks. The engine was done, body, etc. The cars , interestingly enough, are still in existence despite the STI getting canned even though it was finished

[rallly 4]

I could easily hire a designer and draw a near carbon copy of the exterior of the car. I have no reason to lie, nor would I do that to entertain a handful of people on a forum with a limited audience in 2025. Liebermann was misinformed. When he said it was coming, but believe me he talked to some serious people in the auto world, and they told him the car has been finished and ready.

[SoDealer]

you're exhausting. wrong and exhausting.