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Old 10-16-2018, 02:31 PM   #7251
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As supplied by this forum, use this calculator to see what you are doing. This is way more useful than doing the calcs by hand.

https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp

When you compare the stock:
245/40-18 on 18x8.5 ET+55

to your desired set up:
225/50/17 on 17x7.5 ET+40

you will find you have no issues, other than the tire is a bit taller than stock, but acceptably so, below 1%. In the past, with other cars, including AWD cars, I have tried to keep that variance below 2%, and not had any issues.

As advised by so many of the experienced contributors on this forum, bookmark that calculator.

Those wheels seem incredibly inexpensive. What do you know about Liquid Metal?

I am having a similar internal debate myself. Do I go with cheap wheels, or more expensive? If more expensive, how much more expensive? My new job requires winter driving every day, on generally well plowed and salted roads, so I need to do something quickly.

I had settled on some version of Sport Edition, a TireRack in house brand, until I started reading about issues with them being very soft, bending and or cracking after a season or two of potholes.

I decided to go with Tire Rack because of their national foot print, and because I can get a fully integrated package of tires, wheels, TPMS and hardware, so any issues, it is all them. I have done the take off route before and going between wheel company, tire company, tire installer is tiresome if there is an issue.
Thanks for info! I was using a different calculator that wasnt nearly as thurough. Going to bookmark that one for now. And i guess your right about the wheel, i should probably reseach it alittle more before i commit to them.
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:27 PM   #7252
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Need to get winter setup for my 2019 WRX Limited
Stock:
245/40-18 on 18x8.5 ET+55

Desired:
225/50/17 on 17x7.5 or 17x8 ET+48 or 50

I am looking on the TireRack for relatively cheap wheels, such as SportEdition or Moda (generally < $130 per wheel).

The cheap Enkei (Enkei Performance line) I can get for <$170 per wheel.

All appear to be gravity cast 1 pc wheels made in China and the weights vary from between 18.5 to 21.5 lbs.

I am NOT interested in buying even moderately priced (e.g., $200 to 250 per wheel) unless I am persuaded otherwise by the knowledgeable ones here.

In trying to research the quality of the wheels, I came across a few references to the SportEdition (in house TireRack brand) being soft, prone to going out of round, bending or outright spoke cracking.

Could find nothing about Moda except advertising hype.

I have had good experiences with all my OEM Enkei wheels (principally Hondas and Mazdas, not sure about the Toyotas).

Anyone have any experiences and/or references regarding the value/reliability/longevity of inexpensive SportEdition, Moda, etc. wheels pushed by TireRack or DiscountTire?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 10-17-2018, 04:06 AM   #7253
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Is there typically a way to get the offset from the wheel
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:54 AM   #7254
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Slush and not terrible on dry or wet - that sounds like winter performance or old fashion winter tires. If you skip slush then Xi3 is not bad choice, IMHO.
What is your tire size?

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I believe 225/65 17. Can confirm Saturday as that's when I pick it up.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:04 AM   #7255
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On the tirerack there is not that many choices

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...earDiameter=17

I would have selected WS80 as this is safe winter tire bet.
However it is rather poor in slush, dry and wet :-(

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Old 10-17-2018, 09:16 AM   #7256
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On the tirerack there is not that many choices

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...earDiameter=17

I would have selected WS80 as this is safe winter tire bet.
However it is rather poor in slush, dry and wet :-(

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Thanks. I'm considering the xi-2. They do a decent job. I have a set now on my OBXT. They aren't as good in deep snow as the generals, so I like to get those for my wife as her commute usually takes her into deeper snow, while mine takes me to clearer roads more often than not.
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Old 10-17-2018, 01:58 PM   #7257
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Is there typically a way to get the offset from the wheel
If your question is can you find the offset stamped on the wheel, typically, yes.

Typically there is a stamp ET on the wheel with a number...such as ET55 meaning the offset is +55. This has been true of every wheel that I have owned, most of which are OEM wheels, Honda, Mazda or Toyota and a set of BBS.

You can also find the model/part number stamped on the wheel which may be six or more numbers, and often the manufacturer website can tell you, or a quick phone call/email to customer support.
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:00 PM   #7258
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Need to get winter setup for my 2019 WRX Limited
Stock:
245/40-18 on 18x8.5 ET+55

Desired:
225/50/17 on 17x7.5 or 17x8 ET+48 or 50

I am looking on the TireRack for relatively cheap wheels, such as SportEdition or Moda (generally < $130 per wheel).

The cheap Enkei (Enkei Performance line) I can get for <$170 per wheel.

All appear to be gravity cast 1 pc wheels made in China and the weights vary from between 18.5 to 21.5 lbs.

I am NOT interested in buying even moderately priced (e.g., $200 to 250 per wheel) unless I am persuaded otherwise by the knowledgeable ones here.

In trying to research the quality of the wheels, I came across a few references to the SportEdition (in house TireRack brand) being soft, prone to going out of round, bending or outright spoke cracking.

Could find nothing about Moda except advertising hype.

I have had good experiences with all my OEM Enkei wheels (principally Hondas and Mazdas, not sure about the Toyotas).

Anyone have any experiences and/or references regarding the value/reliability/longevity of inexpensive SportEdition, Moda, etc. wheels pushed by TireRack or DiscountTire?

Thanks in advance.
New info. Can anyone verify? Tire Rack said look for construction method other than gravity cast. There are actually a few of their in house brand, SportEdition, that are not gravity cast but low pressure cast, a step up.

Even the cheaper Enkei Performance wheels are gravity cast. The agent's opinion was you were paying $50 more for name brand. Think that is true?

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Old 10-18-2018, 02:00 AM   #7259
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Too bad STI takeoffs arent s cheap anymore, they would be my choice in your situation. Personally Im not a fan of messing with offsets on winter setups. Id be scanning for 17" takeoffs first. Sometimes TR gets screwy with their list of what fits and doesnt between otherwise similar models.
For what its worth, I contacted tirerack and they were able to confirm the 17x7.5 +40 offset enkei ys5s would fit an 08 sti as well. I bought them and there is ~6mm clearance from the barrel to caliper, and ~3mm clearance from the caliper to existing wheel weights. I'd consider that a success!
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Old 10-22-2018, 07:57 AM   #7260
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Pretty certain this is the place to ask.

Iíve been running WS80s for the past couple of years but wanted to try the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds so bought me a set.

Anyone in CNJ have any input on how well they do up here?
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Old 10-22-2018, 12:01 PM   #7261
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Need to get winter setup for my 2019 WRX Limited
Stock:
245/40-18 on 18x8.5 ET+55

Desired:
225/50/17 on 17x7.5 or 17x8 ET+48 or 50

I am looking on the TireRack for relatively cheap wheels, such as SportEdition or Moda (generally < $130 per wheel).

The cheap Enkei (Enkei Performance line) I can get for <$170 per wheel.

All appear to be gravity cast 1 pc wheels made in China and the weights vary from between 18.5 to 21.5 lbs.

I am NOT interested in buying even moderately priced (e.g., $200 to 250 per wheel) unless I am persuaded otherwise by the knowledgeable ones here.

In trying to research the quality of the wheels, I came across a few references to the SportEdition (in house TireRack brand) being soft, prone to going out of round, bending or outright spoke cracking.

Could find nothing about Moda except advertising hype.

I have had good experiences with all my OEM Enkei wheels (principally Hondas and Mazdas, not sure about the Toyotas).

Anyone have any experiences and/or references regarding the value/reliability/longevity of inexpensive SportEdition, Moda, etc. wheels pushed by TireRack or DiscountTire?

Thanks in advance.
I just bought a set of Velox Apex wheels for my STI (18x8) and they were under $500 (including tax, free shipping) for the set from Discount Tire Direct. The 17" wheels should be a little cheaper, look into some of those. As far as tires, I'm not sure whether to go with an All-Season or a Winter tire.
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Old 10-22-2018, 12:24 PM   #7262
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Pretty certain this is the place to ask.

Iíve been running WS80s for the past couple of years but wanted to try the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds so bought me a set.

Anyone in CNJ have any input on how well they do up here?
Those two tires are nothing alike. The Dunlop is a performance winter, the ws80 is a proper winter tire. The perf winter seems more suited to folks out your way, seems like any perf winter goes well there.
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Old 10-22-2018, 12:26 PM   #7263
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I just bought a set of Velox Apex wheels for my STI (18x8) and they were under $500 (including tax, free shipping) for the set from Discount Tire Direct. The 17" wheels should be a little cheaper, look into some of those. As far as tires, I'm not sure whether to go with an All-Season or a Winter tire.
Same goes for you, same state. Performance winters usually go well out there from what Ive seen from folks. Do you have snow needs? Ice? Most of the midwest seems to do well on perf winters, proper winters might be overkill.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:06 PM   #7264
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I just bought a set of Velox Apex wheels for my STI (18x8) and they were under $500 (including tax, free shipping) for the set from Discount Tire Direct. The 17" wheels should be a little cheaper, look into some of those. As far as tires, I'm not sure whether to go with an All-Season or a Winter tire.
Performance winter if you drive a lot and need to get to work. Performance winters are nice too for those winters it never snows a whole lot as you don't lose that much performance as compared to full blown winter tires.

I live in Northwest Indiana so we have similar winters.
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:39 AM   #7265
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Noob question: I bought a set of steelies and winter tires and I would like a center cap to cover the wheel hub. Does anybody know where I can find these for steel rims? Do the ones from Ebay (like these) fit?

I have a 2018 Subaru Impreza Hatch.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:40 PM   #7266
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Those two tires are nothing alike. The Dunlop is a performance winter, the ws80 is a proper winter tire. The perf winter seems more suited to folks out your way, seems like any perf winter goes well there.


They definitely are not in the same category of winter tires.

I ran the WS80 but just wanted to try these 3Ds since I got a decent deal.

Kinda regret them since it might be shifting up to be a harsh winter.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:31 PM   #7267
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Noob question: I bought a set of steelies and winter tires and I would like a center cap to cover the wheel hub. Does anybody know where I can find these for steel rims? Do the ones from Ebay (like these) fit?

I have a 2018 Subaru Impreza Hatch.
You need to measure the diameter of the hole. If it is 60mm it should fit. But if it is 58 or 67 mm, for example, it will not fit.

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Old 10-23-2018, 11:01 PM   #7268
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Theres a steel wheel thread here or in the gallery, I think i remember seeing caps people were fitting. Search there
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:02 PM   #7269
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or you could pick something close and make them fit...
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Old 10-24-2018, 07:51 AM   #7270
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I just bought a set of Velox Apex wheels for my STI (18x8) and they were under $500 (including tax, free shipping) for the set from Discount Tire Direct. The 17" wheels should be a little cheaper, look into some of those. As far as tires, I'm not sure whether to go with an All-Season or a Winter tire.
I do agree Discount Tire has better prices overall but shipping remains an unknown to east coast buyers. I could never put together a winter tire package on their website as all the tires I was interested in were out of stock.

I was too lazy to compare a summer package
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I just bought a set of Velox Apex wheels for my STI (18x8) and they were under $500 (including tax, free shipping) for the set from Discount Tire Direct. The 17" wheels should be a little cheaper, look into some of those. As far as tires, I'm not sure whether to go with an All-Season or a Winter tire.
I do agree Discount Tire has better prices overall but shipping remains an unknown to east coast buyers. I could never put together a winter tire package on their website as all the tires I was interested in were out of stock.

I was too lazy to compare a summer package so Iended up buying from Tire Rack
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:17 PM   #7272
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They definitely are not in the same category of winter tires.

I ran the WS80 but just wanted to try these 3Ds since I got a decent deal.

Kinda regret them since it might be shifting up to be a harsh winter.
If you are Fredricksburg, from what I have researched, I think performance winters would be the right choice. There is not that much snow, and it is not packed on the roads for days, like up north. Definitely let us know.

I live a few miles north, in NOVA, but I will let you know at the end of the season. This is my first season with winters. I selected Pirelli Sottozero3's in 225/50-17 to use in place of my summer 245/40-18's.

I do know with the recent, near freezing weather, my summers were flat spotted on leaving for work in the morning, and took a couple of miles to warm up. I cannot imagine what the tires would be like in snowy or subfreezing weather...
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Old 10-24-2018, 04:57 PM   #7273
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I do agree Discount Tire has better prices overall but shipping remains an unknown to east coast buyers. I could never put together a winter tire package on their website as all the tires I was interested in were out of stock.

I was too lazy to compare a summer package
I ended up chatting with an online rep, and they helped me pick some out. Actually ended up finishing my order via text with a guy from their customer service dept.
Most everything they have is free shipping. I live about 2 hours from their distribution center in Ohio, so I got them next day. Also, their website is not up to date, they may have some that aren't listed (the opposite is also the case).
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If you are Fredricksburg, from what I have researched, I think performance winters would be the right choice. There is not that much snow, and it is not packed on the roads for days, like up north. Definitely let us know.

I live a few miles north, in NOVA, but I will let you know at the end of the season. This is my first season with winters. I selected Pirelli Sottozero3's in 225/50-17 to use in place of my summer 245/40-18's.

I do know with the recent, near freezing weather, my summers were flat spotted on leaving for work in the morning, and took a couple of miles to warm up. I cannot imagine what the tires would be like in snowy or subfreezing weather...
Decided on the Toyo Celsius tires. I've heard really good things about them from a few people around me. Plus, a really good friend of mine has a son that works in a local tire shop and gave me a great deal on a set.

You can really tell that these Yokohama tires don't like cold weather.....When I left the house this morning it was 30F and the tires just felt bad until I drove about 5 miles and warmed them up.
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Really could use any and all advice so here is the rundown. I have a 2018 wrx that I'm prepping for a rallycross event next month and have heard that for drivers on a budget winter tires are the best option for amateur rallycross events. I got an absolutely sweet deal on four steelies that are 17"x7". As I'm going to a smaller wheel width (8" to 7") I want a slimmer tire to cut through the dirt for more traction. I'm thinking a 215/45r17 should do the trick but I cannot find any winter tires that size with the OEM load index of 94 (1477 lbs). Highest load index that I've found for a tire that size is 91 (1356 lbs). With a gross vehicle weight of 4409 lbs, and myself at 200 lbs I reach 4609/4 = 1,152 still within the limits of a load index rating of 91. Under heavy acceleration and braking which would add to the load of the front and rear wheels respectively is this a safe setup or do I risk blowing out a tire and mangling my wheel wells? Any input is appreciated thanks!
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