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Old 01-17-2018, 04:29 PM   #26
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Some pretty good standard equipment there. Surprised to see MPSS on a Hyundai.

Not bad honestly. I wonder how much it'll cost and if any WRX buyers will bother to look at it.
The WRX buyers that cross-shop the GTi will likely give it a look; I'm willing to bet it will be in GTi territory as far as pricing is concerned, as that is the Hyundai/Kia pricing trend.

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So they map the throttle aggressively and shorten the steering ratio... Now the "...people who might not have driven a sporty car before." think they are driving a sporty car.

I call BS.
You want to talk about "aggressive throttle mapping" take a new WRX for a ride - no joke, 10% pedal is about 40% throttle.
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Just throwing shade at the CTR.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:00 AM   #28
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2019 Hyundai Veloster N Delivers a Roundhouse Kick to the Hot-Hatchback Class

But first attempts do occasionally work out, and we thought this one just might when we sampled a preproduction Veloster N on the Nürburgring and on German byways. And now, after spending hundreds of miles with an N on this side of the Atlantic, often on roads that squirm like a garden snake slithering into the bushes, we're impressed all over again. The Veloster N possesses an elusive combination of fun-loving personality, all-around capability, and grit that puts a grin on your face and a tingle in your gut.

Let us qualify that: The specific car we're talking about here is yet another preproduction Veloster N—although it presented well enough to pass as a production version—equipped with the optional Performance package. The extra-cost go-faster equipment bumps the power of the N’s turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four from 250 to 275 horsepower at the same 6000 rpm; the torque peak remains 260 lb-ft at 1450 rpm. The package also brings meatier tires: 235/35R-19 Pirelli P Zero PZ4s on our test car versus 225/40-R18s with the standard N. There are also slightly larger brake rotors, and the rear discs are vented instead of solid. And an electronically controlled limited-slip differential twirls the front tires through a slightly shorter final-drive ratio.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:16 PM   #29
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Not bad, nice job Hyundai.
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This thing has been getting pretty good reviews. I'm still adverse to FWD, but it's good to have actual competition in the performance market.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:40 PM   #31
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If they bring the N tuning to Kia, make it the AWD Stinger that gets the package.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:43 PM   #32
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This thing has been getting pretty good reviews. I'm still adverse to FWD, but it's good to have actual competition in the performance market.
I can’t speak for the Hyundai but the VW GTI and Honday Type R are a ****ing blast to drive and the handeling is damn amazing. Unless you’re trying to be captain drifto with a rwd car or absolutely need awd, the performance and handling of modern fwd Cars is quite remarkable.
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I can’t speak for the Hyundai but the VW GTI and Honday Type R are a ****ing blast to drive and the handeling is damn amazing. Unless you’re trying to be captain drifto with a rwd car or absolutely need awd, the performance and handling of modern fwd Cars is quite remarkable.
I'd really like to get behind the wheel of one of these newer sporty FWD cars. The last sporty FWD car that I owned was my RSX-S, which was fun to zip around town but definitely showed the limitations of the FWD drivetrain. This was of course before torque vectoring and all the other electronic nannies that they now have to make FWD feel less like FWD.

I live in SoCal so AWD is by no means a requirement - we hardly even see any rain all year. I think it is a "requirement" in a large chunk of the country though (Northeast, some Midwestern states, etc.).
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:11 PM   #34
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My Cadenza does pretty well putting 293 hp to the front wheels. It gets a little twitchy if I really stomp on it, or if the road is wet, but mostly it just goes.

My tentative plan is to jump to an AWD Stinger (probably the 2.0) when used prices drop a bit. Maybe in a couple years.
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I can’t speak for the Hyundai but the VW GTI and Honday Type R are a ****ing blast to drive and the handeling is damn amazing. Unless you’re trying to be captain drifto with a rwd car or absolutely need awd, the performance and handling of modern fwd Cars is quite remarkable.
Ummmmm... Yeah, actually, I am Cap Drifto and/or AWD Leecher! If I lived somewhere that was mostly warm with straightaways, I'd look more into FWD. They look more and more appealing to me.
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I can’t speak for the Hyundai but the VW GTI and Honday Type R are a ****ing blast to drive and the handeling is damn amazing. Unless you’re trying to be captain drifto with a rwd car or absolutely need awd, the performance and handling of modern fwd Cars is quite remarkable.
Pretty much agree. Unless someone is using on throttle over steer, the handling difference between a good handling well balanced FWD and RWD is minimal.

The main issue is many times a FWD is front heavy and oversteers quite a bit, or isn't up to snuff and experiences torque steer.

But there have been few made in the past that were 50/50 balanced and would drift/oversteer with a slight throttle lift.
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The main issue is many times a FWD is front heavy and oversteers quite a bit, or isn't up to snuff and experiences torque steer.
I assume you mean understeer.

But then we have Subaru, who's tuned out all the '05 STi's oversteer to the point where the '18 STI understeers with even the help of yaw control.
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I assume you mean understeer.

But then we have Subaru, who's tuned out all the '05 STi's oversteer to the point where the '18 STI understeers with even the help of yaw control.
I miss my 05 STI's oversteer so badly. One reason I hated my 11 WRX was because it would understeer like crazy.
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I assume you mean understeer.

But then we have Subaru, who's tuned out all the '05 STi's oversteer to the point where the '18 STI understeers with even the help of yaw control.
Whoops, yep “understeer”
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I miss my 05 STI's oversteer so badly. One reason I hated my 11 WRX was because it would understeer like crazy.
Fat rear sway bar, more camber up front & LSD in the rear will fix that problem.
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Fat rear sway bar, more camber up front & LSD in the rear will fix that problem.
Remember when the WRX had a rear LSD? Ah, those were the days.

GV WRX looked nice, but that was about it. 15+ is much improved under the skin, just not a fan of the looks.
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Remember when the WRX had a rear LSD? Ah, those were the days.
Sometimes you don't appreciate things until they are long gone...sometimes you don't know the good days until you stop and see they have passed by...
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GV WRX looked nice, but that was about it. 15+ is much improved under the skin, just not a fan of the looks.
I'm still living those days

The good news is if you pine for the days of your 2004 STI, you can buy a new one!
It's a bit heavier, and a bit slower, but it's still got that signature EJ strapped to a good AWD system.

I was making a joke there, but I'd love to see a 2004 STI vs a 2019 STI "stock to stock" with the exception that you slap modern/similar rubber on the 2004, in it's stock width and profile though.

Tires are some of the fastest evolving and arguably most important auto tech out there; it's amazing what an old chassis can do with modern rubber under it.

wait, this is a Veloster N thread right? I still say they should have done a five door hatchback instead of the Veloster, but the numbers will tell if it was a good move or not.
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Pretty much agree. Unless someone is using on throttle over steer, the handling difference between a good handling well balanced FWD and RWD is minimal.

The main issue is many times a FWD is front heavy and oversteers quite a bit, or isn't up to snuff and experiences torque steer.

But there have been few made in the past that were 50/50 balanced and would drift/oversteer with a slight throttle lift.
I actually quite liked my Focus ST. Loved the steering and it was a fun little runabout car that felt quicker than it really was. That said the law of physics means that FWD will always have to make do with less HP than other platforms. There's no way around it as they just can't put the power down like RWD or AWD. The Civic Type R comes close but it's not perfect and anything less than summer temperatures loses front end traction like any other high powered FWD car. At the end of a day nothing ruins the fun like front wheel spin.
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You want to talk about "aggressive throttle mapping" take a new WRX for a ride - no joke, 10% pedal is about 40% throttle.
It's not just the OEM doing that either... got a pro-tune on my wrx from a reputable tuner. At 800 RPM, 25% pedal position was a 95% throttle plate opening... Now, it did taper off once the RPMS's rose, but I quickly modified that - thankfully it was an open-source pro-tune.


Honestly, I just can't get around the goofy styling and door configuration on the Veloster... Really think it'd be a good idea for them to bring this drivetrain in a better package.
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I'm still living those days

The good news is if you pine for the days of your 2004 STI, you can buy a new one!
It's a bit heavier, and a bit slower, but it's still got that signature EJ strapped to a good AWD system.
They screwed up the rear-bias on the center diff (35/65 to 41/59) after 2005 and removed the gearbox oil pump for '08. The '04 had a clutch-type front diff which made it do some wonky transitions between heavy understeer and milder understeer as the clutches went from static to kinetic friction. In '05 they went to the helical front diff which made the car steer and behave much better at turn-in (the bigger hubs also avoided the pad knockback that the '04 was known for).

The '05 was the most aggressive and most fun STI for oversteer.. but Subaru prefers the John Deere approach.. plowing.
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The Civic Type R comes close but it's not perfect and anything less than summer temperatures loses front end traction like any other high powered FWD car. At the end of a day nothing ruins the fun like front wheel spin.
The temps have been pretty low here by our standards - 40s and 50s. I've got summer tires on my GTI. I took a corner pretty hot the other day and punched it as I was straightening it out. Wheel spin for days.

Luckily, it's rarely this cool here and the tires stick like glue when it's warm.
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