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Old 08-27-2022, 06:59 PM   #26
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Not compared to the traditional double din unit, nah, don't agree. If you want to talk the mfr putting in an iPad into every vehicle because of demographics or the "in" age of folks they are chasing via marketing, I'll concede to that. Hey we're putting in a big ****ing screen into this thing so it's cheaper to just do that vs. also having physical climate controls. Sure. But compared to a traditional double din and physical climate controls, not buying it for one second. All that **** is plastic dude. Big screen cost more than a smaller screen.

I don't want nor ever asked for larger than a double din size for the HU. And apparently you're wrong as this isn't the defacto standard or answer because my next car has the tacked on double din sized screen on top of the dash but still has physical controls. Why didn't Toyota just do an iPad then in the new GRC or the Corolla in general or many of their models? Apparently they got some smart engineers that work there and have worked it out to have the screen size X, place it in y location, and have it cost efficient, even with physical climate controls.

Still not buying it.

I'll start by saying the manufacturers respond to customer demand. More so than the other way around. Complain "enough", they go back to physical controls. Too many people probably just not caring.

That said, talking about the GRC and all.....Subaru's 11.6 screen is a Toyota thing........Subaru just put more buttons with theirs.
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Old 08-30-2022, 01:07 PM   #28
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They suck in operation, it's real easy to go into park when aiming for reverse because there are no physical detents, you just turn the wheel; there is a "click" as you change, but there is no real resistance, it's not like a column, where there are physical detents or console shifter where there is a pattern to follow, also typically with physical detents.

Can't really speak towards reliability, but I'd assume they are as reliable as the other options offered; reliability issues would be more related to overall manufacturer (and supplier) reliability.



Similar in concept, but very different in operation, it operates more like a volume knob than a column or console shifter.



Even analog gauges haven't been "analog" in a very long time.
ON the RAM I can tell you the knob has distinct Detents bud. You can easily hit the right position based on feel. I thought the knob would suck, but you get used to it in about a day.
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Old 08-30-2022, 03:31 PM   #29
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They're saying that since the screen has to be there anyway now due to the backup camera requirement, it does cost more to add knobs/buttons if those controls can be simply added to the screen's UI.

I'm with you though, I just don't care. They still need to be there, at least the volume/tuning knobs and climate control (but really, I want everything toggleable; drive mode, cruise, buttons for the smart systems like lane change assist, etc). Thankfully, that's how it all is on my Mazda.
Backup camera? Dude Iíve had a backup camera in a vehicle since 2013. So almost 10 years. Backup cameras are not new.
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Backup camera? Dude Iíve had a backup camera in a vehicle since 2013. So almost 10 years. Backup cameras are not new.
Yeah, my '09 Tacoma it was part of the SR5 package or a $125 stand alone option. The screen was in the rearview mirror about 1in square, optical quality isn't stellar but works good when you're trying to hitch up a trailer.
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Old 09-05-2022, 07:55 PM   #31
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Backup camera? Dude I've had a backup camera in a vehicle since 2013. So almost 10 years. Backup cameras are not new.
I didn't say they were.

I said since the screens have to be there now by law thanks to the backup camera requirement that started in 2018, that's why manufacturer's think they can start getting away with removing physical controls; the screen is there anyway and paid for, may as well save money on buttons/knobs by integrating their functions on the screen. It's garbage bean counting.
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Old 09-07-2022, 12:20 PM   #32
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Been playing with the new 2023 Outback updates. Even more can be done with voice commands now; so, really, less distraction for reaching for anything. Heated/ventilated seats and even turning on/off Auto Start/Stop can be voice commanded now.


Hands on the steering wheel. Eyes on the road. Safest of all.
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