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Old 09-08-2022, 04:47 AM   #26
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It's clear we waited far too long to ban leaded fuels.
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Let's also spread the word that CARBON NEUTRAL GASOLINE ALREADY EXISTS... We don't all need to switch to EV's
Dude I was watching this thing about it yesterday, theres this company in Canada, It literally sucks out carbon from the air and brings it underground for(idk the process) any way, what is produced is this Hydrogen/oxygen fuel mixture, zero emission, twice as combustible. Its called Carbon Engineering Limited. Its freakin cool.

"Unlike capturing emissions from industrial flue stacks, our technology captures carbon dioxide (CO2) - the primary greenhouse gas responsible for climate change - directly out of the air around us. This can help counteract today's unavoidable CO2 emissions, and address the large quantities of CO2 emitted in the past that remains trapped in our atmosphere.

At Carbon Engineering, we're focused on the global deployment of megaton-scale Direct Air Capture technology so it can have the greatest impact on the huge climate challenge. Our team and partners around the world are working to deploy Direct Air Capture facilities that can capture one million tons of CO2 per year each - which is equivalent to the carbon removal work of approx. 40 million trees."
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:12 PM   #28
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It's clear we waited far too long to ban leaded fuels.
Its just the game theyre playing. They know people are earth conscious, so in cashing out in Lithium, forcing people to rely on the power-grid, meaning they can sell more natural gas and coal to the energy companies without losing profit. And we already know the idiocy happening with the heat wave and California. People think theyre doing more but in reality, its not helping anything at all. Its silly because oil companies (really any company of the like) would cash out more creating emission-less fuels for cars already on the road.
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:08 PM   #29
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:26 PM   #30
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[...] forcing people to rely on the power-grid[...]
Nobody forces you to pay your PG&E bill. You can stop paying anytime you want to .
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:58 PM   #31
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Its just the game theyre playing. They know people are earth conscious, so in cashing out in Lithium, forcing people to rely on the power-grid, meaning they can sell more natural gas and coal to the energy companies without losing profit.
Joke's on them. I just harpooned my first orca last week. As soon as I figure out how to render it into oil I'll be off the grid.



Remember before GM made the EV1 and nobody was reliant on the grid? We pumped our gas out of the ground by hand and heated/cooled our homes with natural convection, passive solar, and geothermal.



Obviously, to save the whales (from me) we just need to capture the carbon dioxide from the air, and pump it underground, then combine it with methane to create a liquid fuel that will perfectly simulate gasoline and won't cause any tuning or infrastructure issues at all none of which will require any energy input either.. and then we can ship it all around the world without using any energy and then we can burn it to re-release the CO2, capturing ~20% of the energy it produces in perfect, godly, mobile, eternal internal combustion engines, and start the carbon cycle all over for essentially free! We should have just created perpetual motion using carbon capture decades ago so that the evil EVs wouldn't threaten tradition with their far higher fuel to electricity to grid to battery to motion energy path. Ugh. Disgusting. #kommiekalifornia #heatwave #syntheticfuels #iPhoneofcars #rollincoal #climatechangeisahoax #unlesscarboncanmakemoregas4me2burn #derpinitup
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The noise, news and hype are feeding a perception that carbon removal will be cheap, simple, scalable, and reliableónone of which we can count on.

ďThis topic is becoming so visible and so many people are pouring in, and a lot of it is just nonsense,Ē says David Keith, a Harvard climate scientist who in 2009 founded Carbon Engineering, one of the first startups to attempt to commercialize so-called direct-air-capture technology.

ďItís adding confusion and thereby distracting from the set of immediate cost-effective actions needed to cut emissions,Ē he added in an email.

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I'm bowing out before the ensuing argument over political misinformation completely eclipses the points made regarding the laws of thermodynamics. I pity folks who learn more from social media than they did from 8 years sat in front of a science textbook.
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It is all funny because CO2 is not causing anything to warm at all. It is the opposite, and scientiests have known this since the 70's I believe. CO2 does not cause the earth to warm.

The warming (which is has been doing for a few thousand years) causes CO2 to increase.

So stop the nonsense panic. Enjoy a greener world, larger producible land area, and chill. Your EV is not going to do anything to save anything. Take a moment and pause and realize how insignificant man is to this planet.
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News Headlines be like:
"CA bans ICE cars by 2035, other states to soon follow"

Newsom a Day or two later:
"Stop Charging your cars the grid is on overload and we will be forced to shut off power in certain areas of the state intermittently"

Lol Yeah
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Bitcoin and hot tubs are likely a larger draw on the grid than EV charging. It's a distraction that just plays into the tin foil hat mindset.

The request was to charge in the evening and at night, which is what most people with EV's do anyway.
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Bitcoin and hot tubs are likely a larger draw on the grid than EV charging. It's a distraction that just plays into the tin foil hat mindset.

The request was to charge in the evening and at night, which is what most people with EV's do anyway.
Itís not a distraction for the state of California. SoCal Edison and more specifically PG&E have neglected their electrical grid and equipment for decades. During late spring - early fall, they both often do planned blackouts to not overload the system. Basically itís decades long corporate greed and not investing into the their grid / equipment. Like Iíve said in another thread, an issues with electrical lines lead to an electrical fire which completely burned a town to the ground (Paradise 2018). Since 2017, theyíve been at fault for more than 30 wildfires).

Thankfully most states are not a complete dumpster fire like California.
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It's not a distraction for the state of California. SoCal Edison and more specifically PG&E have neglected their electrical grid and equipment for decades. During late spring - early fall, they both often do planned blackouts to not overload the system. Basically it's decades long corporate greed and not investing into the their grid / equipment. Like I've said in another thread, an issues with electrical lines lead to an electrical fire which completely burned a town to the ground (Paradise 2018). Since 2017, they've been at fault for more than 30 wildfires).

Thankfully most states are not a complete dumpster fire like California.
I'm not suggesting that CA's grid isn't in poor shape, but more that there are much bigger fish to fry than EV charging. Hell, electric resistance hot water heaters will consume more electricity in a typical CA home than an EV charger. So why not tell people to take cold showers instead of avoiding to charge their EV's. Distraction. EV's use a good bit of electricity, yes, but there are other very large consumers. Cutting down on crypto mining across the state would likely counteract all of the EV's in the state by multiples. But nobody wants to talk about that.

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I'm not suggesting that CA's grid isn't in poor shape, but more that there are much bigger fish to fry than EV charging. Hell, electric resistance hot water heaters will consume more electricity in a typical CA home than an EV charger. So why not tell people to take cold showers instead of avoiding to charge their EV's. Distraction. EV's use a good bit of electricity, yes, but there are other very large consumers. Cutting down on crypto mining across the state would likely counteract all of the EV's in the state by multiples. But nobody wants to talk about that.
That seems like a strawman argument to me. The scale of bit coin mining is by individuals is not easily known. EV will completely overwhelm the grid. Entire countries have declared it to be so. Yet we keep hearing all things will improve and the grid will be upgraded.... these are suppositions to support a failing argument. Government is forcing and picking a winner before they are ready. At no time has this ever been a good idea. Green energy is a loser and EV cannot replace ICE cars at the pace the envrionazi's want.

Then after all the ICE are gone and the earth continues to warm, what will be targeted next for premature extinction. What other industry will be hunted to death.
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The scale of bit coin mining is by individuals is not easily known. EV will completely overwhelm the grid. Entire countries have declared it to be so.
The scale of crypto mining is studied and charted. It's not as unknown as you suggest.

EV's will not overwhelm the grid. Stop reading bull****. Want to hear an electricity supplier's take on the situation? https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories...misconceptions

You have a vendetta against BEV's and that's cool, but you also spout half-truths and full on lies as proven science.
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I'm not suggesting that CA's grid isn't in poor shape, but more that there are much bigger fish to fry than EV charging. Hell, electric resistance hot water heaters will consume more electricity in a typical CA home than an EV charger. So why not tell people to take cold showers instead of avoiding to charge their EV's. Distraction. EV's use a good bit of electricity, yes, but there are other very large consumers. Cutting down on crypto mining across the state would likely counteract all of the EV's in the state by multiples. But nobody wants to talk about that.
I think the issue people are pointing out with California / Newsom, is he signs a law that by 2026 EVís need to make up 35% of a manufacturers offering, 2035 itís 100%. But then a few days later goes ďdonít charge at xyz time or days during massive heat waves.Ē

Iím all for EV transition but California writes laws / bills without a thought on how to support it. Itís like saying a frame to home needs to be built by a certain date yet you havenít even started on the foundation.
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Did the directive to not charge EV's from 4pm to 9pm come from Newsome and the lawmakers? Negative, it did not. Were citizens also given a request to not use any large electrical appliances such as electric dryers, dishwashers, stoves, etc? And was avoiding charging electric cars part of that list? Yes. Yes it was. Are we going to start coming for dishwashers too? They were just asked to reduce large electrical loads so priority could be given to AC units. EV charging was a part of that. This doesn't have to do with EV's taking over the grid, it has to do with AC units taking over the grid. Maybe we should start talking about upgrading AC units to more efficient systems that don't overload the grid.

And charging an EV at the heat of the day is also a terrible idea anyway. Anyone with half a brain and an EV wouldn't plug their car in to charge during a the 5 hottest hours of the day during a heat wave unless it was really necessary, and they could still do so under this voluntary request from the grid.
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PG&E shows record profits year after year
Southern California Edison shows record profits year after year

But yes, the ~1% draw on the grid that California EV's currently account for is the real issue here, not corporate greed.

In related news, bridges & roadways are falling apart because people drive on them, lets ignore the fact that they aren't maintained properly.

California started having real issues with their grid after their electric utilities were deregulated in the 90's; it's Profits > People, always has been.
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The scale of crypto mining is studied and charted. It's not as unknown as you suggest.

EV's will not overwhelm the grid. Stop reading bull****. Want to hear an electricity supplier's take on the situation? https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories...misconceptions

You have a vendetta against BEV's and that's cool, but you also spout half-truths and full on lies as proven science.
you should never use the term proven science. Just about all science is not proven and using that to end an argument is lazy and beneath you.

EV will overwhelm some grids at some point. We cannot wholesale switch to EV while we scuttle coal and Natural gas plants which are being replaced by crap intermittent windmills and solar. Until we get serious about Nuclear, which is the only thing that can replace fossil fuels, there is not enough copper and rare earth minerals to keep the 'green' energy religion from reducing the quality of life for every American.

I have nothing against EV at all. You are completely incorrect. I am against the government mandating them though back handed and unrealistic CAFE restrictions that make them the only feasible choice. Whenever a government pics the winners the people lose and the politicians get rich. Price of gas is just one thimble of proof you may need. If people want an EV I am 100% for them to have that choice. I do not want my choices removed from me to feel some imaginary problem.
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