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Old 09-10-2022, 07:31 PM   #226
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Dang it. I figured I got that wrong. Heck. School was many moons ago and really has no bearing on my jobs. Mostly math. And even then, as many years as I've been doing this, it's more experience than working the math of friction loss. I don't need no stinkin math!



I only referenced the YT and others like that because people on here tend to flock to it.....but seems now they aren't to be listened to since they seem to like something NASIOC doesn't? I'll take note of that for future reference. The magazine reviews are liking it as well, though. Are we not to listen to any reviews anymore? Aren't we always saying things like "Can't wait for the reviews to come out"?



My point is people will always want more. There were "shortcomings" to the previous car that this one fixes. But, "shortcomings that can't be ignored"? Seriously. It isn't that bad.





Oh. And I have been behind the wheel of this one. On a track.
Yes, but they fixed things and broke others. Things that didnít need to be butchered. They could have given it a flatter torque curve, better suspension, updated interior and still made the outside good looking. They completely messed up the exterior.

The redline, seems like a mistake, but there must be a reason (besides, it always fell on its face after 5k anyway). And we know it wasnít done to increase MPG.
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I only referenced the YT and others like that because people on here tend to flock to it.....but seems now they aren't to be listened to since they seem to like something NASIOC doesn't? I'll take note of that for future reference. The magazine reviews are liking it as well, though. Are we not to listen to any reviews anymore? Aren't we always saying things like "Can't wait for the reviews to come out"?
don't consider me as the voice of NASIOC.

I personally see them as influencers and entertainment value only. clearly, if all these brands are sending them testers and bringing them to events tailored specifically for them then someone is considering them to provide value to their brands.

I think they're fun to watch, and a good enough way to introduce content.
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Old 10-04-2022, 11:03 AM   #228
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"Despite complaints about the plastic cladding, the 2022 WRX continues to be a success for Subaru."

Man I am tired of hearing that excuse. Just because the limited stock is selling out doesn't mean it wouldn't sell more as time progresses and have more interest if a few things were changed.
We heard that so much on the sedan vs. hatch "the sedan is selling fine". IMO the WRX sedan sold because everyone else started making hot hatches - the cars that people wanted - so the non-hatch people wanting a sedan or the few who sucked it up wanting to stick with Subaru (me) got sedans where competition was minimal at the price.
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Old 10-04-2022, 03:21 PM   #229
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"Despite complaints about the plastic cladding, the 2022 WRX continues to be a success for Subaru."

Man I am tired of hearing that excuse. Just because the limited stock is selling out doesn't mean it wouldn't sell more as time progresses and have more interest if a few things were changed.
We heard that so much on the sedan vs. hatch "the sedan is selling fine". IMO the WRX sedan sold because everyone else started making hot hatches - the cars that people wanted - so the non-hatch people wanting a sedan or the few who sucked it up wanting to stick with Subaru (me) got sedans where competition was minimal at the price.
I don't think I understood what you just said.

The WRX only sold because hatches were available? So, it wouldn't have sold had there not been available hatch competitors?

And what excuse are you tired of hearing?
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I don't think I understood what you just said.

The WRX only sold because hatches were available? So, it wouldn't have sold had there not been available hatch competitors?

And what excuse are you tired of hearing?
Basically with Golf R, Focus ST, Focus RS, GTI, Veloster N, there were enough hatchbacks from other manufacturers that people who REALLY wanted a hatchback could get one.

However, if you hated hatchbacks, you were okay with the sedan. Or if you wanted to stick with Subaru, you made yourself okay with the sedan.

Also, just because Subaru sells their low-volume allocation of the 2022 WRX doesn't meant that it's successful. The volume is low, and only time will tell if people will continue buying in increased volume despite the lackluster performance and design. Basically we're waiting to see if there's a saturation point or if it actually exceeds expectations.
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he is tired of hearing despite it looking like a pile of cat vomit it is selling.

He is tired of hearing that as a justification because just about anything on the lot will sell today as somehow people still have money to spend on new cars. And just any damn thing will do to the average person. Subaru has moved the WRX into the ugly plain commuter car segment with the elantra and civic and insert generic compact sedan segment. It is not hardcore, or raw or agressive or anything anymore. It is just like a mazda 3 sedan now so as such is selling based on its ability to be average.

The fact that it sells a bit is not praise worth mentioning, it is confirming its mediocrity.
Ugly cars still sell because people need basic transportation.

This is an AWD sedan at less than 40k dollars. It will sell despite it being ugly, but lets not call it an attractive performance offering.
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Welp, September was ugly... -31.56% vs 2021.

Overall, 2022, WRX is down -40% (or -22% if you remove MY21 cars)

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he is tired of hearing despite it looking like a pile of cat vomit it is selling.

He is tired of hearing that as a justification because just about anything on the lot will sell today as somehow people still have money to spend on new cars. And just any damn thing will do to the average person. Subaru has moved the WRX into the ugly plain commuter car segment with the elantra and civic and insert generic compact sedan segment. It is not hardcore, or raw or agressive or anything anymore. It is just like a mazda 3 sedan now so as such is selling based on its ability to be average.

The fact that it sells a bit is not praise worth mentioning, it is confirming its mediocrity.
Ugly cars still sell because people need basic transportation.


This is an AWD sedan at less than 40k dollars. It will sell despite it being ugly, but lets not call it an attractive performance offering.
This just sounds like a post of hate.

Cause if it were just "mediocre" like those other cars you care comparing it to, then they can get an Impreza. We have 2 coming that MSRP is in $22K.

It sells because it is still what it has always been. An AWD, 4 door, everyday car that is also fun. My fun requirements are pretty much the same they have always been. It doesn't rely on "more" as time goes on. This version isn't "more" than the last in performance, maybe; but, it doesn't mean it's not fun. If it isn't to any individual, well, that's just on them. And I feel sorry for them that they need "more" to be fun. I had a blast taking my 57hp Sambar fire truck to the firestation last night. And it's SLOW .

Now, looks? I won't argue what someone likes. But, there are only couple/few cars I've ever seen that I wouldn't buy on looks alone. I am curious, though, to see how many WRXs are sitting on lots and how long they have been there.....then to see how many have ADM put on them and if that is the reason they sit. Yes, yes. I know some retailers have some they are selling at or below MSRP. I'd like to know if those are the ones getting many while we wait for them for our sold order customers.

On that note, we should have our first GT dropping soon. I'm hoping the customer will let me drive it before it leaves. If not, this customer already said he'll be trading it within the next year at our Nissan dealer when he can get a Z. So, might have an opportunity to buy it used, or just get the new one I want. I prefer WRB. His is SOP....that I like. Just think it has to be blue.
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Old 10-04-2022, 04:16 PM   #234
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Welp, September was ugly... -31.56% vs 2021.

Overall, 2022, WRX is down -40% (or -22% if you remove MY21 cars)

Do we know how many were delivered to retailers though?
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Do we know how many were delivered to retailers though?
I will guess this is customer deliveries. So, in that case, no we don't. I will assume more than 1, less than 5,000 haha.

If the car was selling out, or close, they would highlight that in the press release. There's no commentary on the WRX being popular.
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I will guess this is customer deliveries. So, in that case, no we don't. I will assume more than 1, less than 5,000 haha.

If the car was selling out, or close, they would highlight that in the press release. There's no commentary on the WRX being popular.
Why would they announce that in a press release? They don't mention anything more than "If we had more, we'd sell more" and that is in general. Not really for any one trim.

Was there commentary of the VA being popular? I know I kept saying it sold a lot and mentioned how much based on unofficial statements by sources. Don't remember any official statements saying something like "This generation WRX sold more than ALL previous gens combined".

I personally don't think this is "more" popular than the VA. And I think it'll sell the same, to a bit less than it did before. I think it'll depend on it's competitors and their availability.
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To put things in context...

It appears that every WRX that hits the lots is being sold, or sitting for not that long then being sold, granted there is a small pool of available units.

There is such a backlog for Highlanders that they are "sold" 4-6 months before they hit the lot, now estimates are a year out for orders placed more recently; same goes for the Sorento, 4-6 months out, we happened to luck out that the dealer in Queens where we bought ours had only recently stopped charging markup, as it was 5k over MSRP less than a week before we bought it at MSRP, and the Highlander/Sorento models we were looking at had MSRPs in the 51-52k range with minimal options (once you crack the 50k barrier state taxes go from 6.35 to 7.75, so we intentionally did not option dealer add-ons, Sorento we had no choice as it was on the lot, but its stuff we would have bought anyways). Granted, generally a different demographic is interested in 3-row hybrid/PHEV CUVs but it's a relevant data point.

The car market is a mess right now, the fact that every new WRX that is hitting the lot isn't to fulfill and order is telling.

86/BRZs in my area were all 4-6 months out in April, and I doubt that has improved.

Has anyone ordered a Supra? I wonder what the wait is for one of those.

Interest rates are 4.99% or more for cars, that's a lot of added money over the life of a loan (why we paid cash), I imagine that's keeping some people from buying, but not everyone thinks that far ahead.

When manufacturing gets back to normal, and dealer markup falls off more, we'll see how sales are affected, but for now if there is no markup, I don't think new desirable cars sit on a lot for too long, if at all.
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To put things in context...

It appears that every WRX that hits the lots is being sold, or sitting for not that long then being sold, granted there is a small pool of available units.

There is such a backlog for Highlanders that they are "sold" 4-6 months before they hit the lot, now estimates are a year out for orders placed more recently; same goes for the Sorento, 4-6 months out, we happened to luck out that the dealer in Queens where we bought ours had only recently stopped charging markup, as it was 5k over MSRP less than a week before we bought it at MSRP, and the Highlander/Sorento models we were looking at had MSRPs in the 51-52k range with minimal options (once you crack the 50k barrier state taxes go from 6.35 to 7.75, so we intentionally did not option dealer add-ons, Sorento we had no choice as it was on the lot, but its stuff we would have bought anyways). Granted, generally a different demographic is interested in 3-row hybrid/PHEV CUVs but it's a relevant data point.

The car market is a mess right now, the fact that every new WRX that is hitting the lot isn't to fulfill and order is telling.

86/BRZs in my area were all 4-6 months out in April, and I doubt that has improved.

Has anyone ordered a Supra? I wonder what the wait is for one of those.

Interest rates are 4.99% or more for cars, that's a lot of added money over the life of a loan (why we paid cash), I imagine that's keeping some people from buying, but not everyone thinks that far ahead.

When manufacturing gets back to normal, and dealer markup falls off more, we'll see how sales are affected, but for now if there is no markup, I don't think new desirable cars sit on a lot for too long, if at all.
I would argue the market was a bigger mess a year ago and Subaru managed to sell more WRX's last year. I'm sure there's other factors at play but it does appear this new WRX is not selling as well as the VA.
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These new interest rates right now.. my gawd
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Interest rates are 4.99% or more for cars, that's a lot of added money over the life of a loan (why we paid cash), I imagine that's keeping some people from buying, but not everyone thinks that far ahead.
Not enough people think that far ahead IMO. That's why so many people in this country are in bad situations, financially speaking. Too many people only look at the monthly payment and if it fits their budget (in many cases more like: "if I can somehow squeeze this in even though I really shouldn't") then they'll go for it.
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Why would they announce that in a press release? They don't mention anything more than "If we had more, we'd sell more" and that is in general. Not really for any one trim.

Was there commentary of the VA being popular? I know I kept saying it sold a lot and mentioned how much based on unofficial statements by sources. Don't remember any official statements saying something like "This generation WRX sold more than ALL previous gens combined".

I personally don't think this is "more" popular than the VA. And I think it'll sell the same, to a bit less than it did before. I think it'll depend on it's competitors and their availability.
They went out of their way to talk up the performance of the Crosstrek. They are selling better than in 2019.

"In September, Crosstrek was the top performer by volume and achieved its best month ever, with 16,092 (surpassing record set in August 2019 with 15,860) sales and a 35.6 percent increase compared with the same period in 2021."
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They went out of their way to talk up the performance of the Crosstrek. They are selling better than in 2019.

"In September, Crosstrek was the top performer by volume and achieved its best month ever, with 16,092 (surpassing record set in August 2019 with 15,860) sales and a 35.6 percent increase compared with the same period in 2021."
It's not "out of their way". It's normal. They would do that if it sold one more car than previous year. It also happens to be a record for it. It also happens to be their number #1 selling car at the moment. They'll be revealing the new one soon. Get as much attention for it they can. WRX was 5% better last month. Didn't talk that up much outside that it was up. Facts. That's all. I do think it is selling less. I'll wait to make full judgement till it's had a year and 3 months of sales.
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It's not "out of their way". It's normal. They would do that if it sold one more car than previous year. It also happens to be a record for it. It also happens to be their number #1 selling car at the moment. They'll be revealing the new one soon. Get as much attention for it they can. WRX was 5% better last month. Didn't talk that up much outside that it was up. Facts. That's all. I do think it is selling less. I'll wait to make full judgement till it's had a year and 3 months of sales.
I'm confused. I feel like we both think the WRX is unpopular at the moment, and yet you are against me noting that the press release was silent on the WRX doing well.

If I was Subaru, considering the amount of hate the VB has received from journalists, I would want to show off how well it is doing (if that was the truth).
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I don't think we can judge demand in the current market, as a indicator of it's appeal relative to the historical appeal of the model.

Frankly, any somewhat interesting car that is priced well below the average new car cost is going to sell well. Subaru could have released the car with a GD era EJ205 and it would have probably sold at the same pace.

I expect Subaru can get away without releasing a refreshed WRX for 1.5-2 years.

Once market demand drops, supply increases (particularly for competing performance cars), they will have to refresh.

Because recent market conditions are favorable to the manufacturers, Subaru appears to have had a successful launch from a business perspective.
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Here's my anecdote comparing the sale of VA and VB when released.

The 2015 VA first arrived at dealerships in the spring of 2014. The 2022 VA first arrived in dealerships in the spring of this year.

In early September 2014, I needed a new car right away as my 2007 2.5i was totaled in a flood. I wanted the the new WRX and the closest one to Chicago area that I found was 10 hours away in Asheville, NC. So I flew down there and drove it back (still regret not spending time on the Blue Ridge Parkway).

Fast forward to September of this year and there were one or two 2022 WRX available at pretty much all the local Chicago dealers.

My, one anecdote, shows that the 2022 WRX is not selling as well as the 2015 WRX
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Anecdote. Every time I see a new WRX I throw up a little in my mouth. Every time I saw a new WRX back in 2015 I didn't. It actually grew on me over that year. To the point we nearly purchased a special edition every year they did one.
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Anecdote: I'm not seeing a barrage of slammed, modded 2022 WRX rollin' through these cold, hard streets.

Confirmed: New WRX is whack.
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CONFIRMED

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I've seen a few 2022 WRXs in person now. I didn't think I'd be saying this so soon but they aren't as bad as I initially thought from looking at photos. As a kid with no license my first 2.5RS sighting is what pulled me to the brand. Every iteration after that came with excitement, a little disappointment and a phase where the modern version had to grow on me. I don't like the cheap plastic cladding on the 2022 models, that is my biggest problem with the vehicle. Now that I've seen them painted, I don't know why Subaru doesn't sell them this way. There is a little too much unpainted plastic in the front bumper too. If the lower center section of the front bumper were painted to match the body along with the painted fender flares...it would look like a sports sedan again and not a Crosstrek sedan. Not that there is anything wrong with the Crosstrek, its just the design is more fitting of that vehicle than a WRX. The VA WRX for some reason reminds me of the GD models. Its almost like they picked up where they left off and its a very handsome design that is hard to beat...the 2022 already had an uphill battle ahead of it. Subaru made some easy to fix mistakes...I just hope the WRX survives.
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The wrx doesn't look bad as a car. It looks bad as a wrx. People more willing to accept the evolution of the wrx into a pedestrian sedan utility vehicle don't take issue with it. People that miss the more sporty wrx styling don't like it.
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