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Old 03-23-2019, 12:27 PM   #26
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I doubt it will lose much of weight if any. If they can keep it the same just slap the 2.0 turbo in there making 220hp. That would make it pretty damn fun and likely draw in more buyers since it's already turbo making it an easier platform to build power on if the buyer wishes.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:55 PM   #27
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Good news. As an auto enthusiast I think the success of a car like is important as it shows that millennials care about sporty cars. I donít foresee anything close to 300 hp but one would have to imagine there will be a modest bump in power in the range of 240 hp which is probably all this car needs at the price point.
Just make it FI from the factory and let the aftermarket take over for those who want a few more ponies.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:01 PM   #28
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Soo many people still just don't get it. The person quoted in the article basically even says it. Want more HP? Get a Supra. The twins have their target and it has been successful at that target. The next one will be an improvement. For those wanting "significant" HP gains for the next one, you might as well shoot yourself in the foot now. My wager on the gain is as someone said. It'll be some; but, it'll be a whole package improvement. The Supra is there for the HP folks. Getting hopes up on Gen 2 I think is a waste if you're waiting for HP.
All the more reason for Toyota to throw a manual transmission option in the Supra. A lot of BRZ/FRS owners would probably upgrade, especially those who've received pay raises in the last few years and are looking to upgrade the stable.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:35 PM   #29
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I test drove a brz then a miata and got back into the Boss.

I wanted a miata, the brz was terrible.

Give it something noteworthy and it would be great. It was just forgettable and bland.

**** even a poverty ej255 would be amazing.
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:13 AM   #30
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Lose weight, improve NVH over the FA20, and get more power by virtue of engine speed... and I'll buy another one.
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Old 03-24-2019, 06:57 AM   #31
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I agree with thill, less weight and the 1.6DIT would do wonders for it, especially if they could get it to rev well.
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Old 03-24-2019, 09:24 AM   #32
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Keep the current gearbox, seats, steering rack and feel. Lose some weight (100-150lbs) and drop in a 1.6 turbo that makes 200hp and 190ft lbs of torque and you will have a winner. Think Fiesta ST power numbers. And put some proper tires on it.

They don't need to change much just keep the car simple. It doesn't need to weight 3000lbs and have 250-300hp there are too many other cars already out like that.


I guess it depends on if they must stay with their formula or not. I would think that they've been polling owners if they care about the MPG or not. Depending on that finding, would they be willing to put something in there that doesn't get the MPG the current one does. That article quotes as saying it's been a success; so...... It is still holding a pretty even line in sales. In 7 model years, the decline has been a bunny slope. Just some small decreases each year.
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I guess it depends on if they must stay with their formula or not. I would think that they've been polling owners if they care about the MPG or not. Depending on that finding, would they be willing to put something in there that doesn't get the MPG the current one does. That article quotes as saying it's been a success; so...... It is still holding a pretty even line in sales. In 7 model years, the decline has been a bunny slope. Just some small decreases each year.
MPG in a car with a turbo and small motor is easy and better than a NA car imho. I can easily get 21-22 in town in my Evo and 26 on the highway despite the limitations of the gearbox (desperately needs a 6th gear). If I drive it hard it hovers around 12. All about staying out of the turbo unless it is time to get on it
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Old 03-25-2019, 07:32 AM   #34
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I test drove a brz then a miata and got back into the Boss.

I wanted a miata, the brz was terrible.

Give it something noteworthy and it would be great. It was just forgettable and bland.

**** even a poverty ej255 would be amazing.
The Miata has some special sauce in the driving experience. It will be hard for another car to match it but it can be done.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:49 PM   #35
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They may drop the current engine because it can't meet future emissions standards, and isn't worth the cost of redesigning given the projected sales. So a corporate sibling ends up in there with minor changes.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:14 PM   #36
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The Miata has some special sauce in the driving experience. It will be hard for another car to match it but it can be done.
It's called weighing 2300lbs and change and having a very linear power delivery with max torque below 4K rpm. On paper I think people expect the Miata to be slow because they look at the specs, but it's actually a quick little car.
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I just wish the Miata didn't have the wheel gap of an SUV. It looks awful in stock form.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:58 PM   #38
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It's called weighing 2300lbs and change and having a very linear power delivery with max torque below 4K rpm. On paper I think people expect the Miata to be slow because they look at the specs, but it's actually a quick little car.
Itís more than that. Itís a stiff chassis, almost perfect balance, and compliant enough to allow shinanigans
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I just wish the Miata didnít have the wheel gap of an SUV. It looks awful in stock form.
I don't disagree with you there. Easily fixed though.
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Itís more than that. Itís a stiff chassis, almost perfect balance, and compliant enough to allow shinanigans
The FT86 is really good stock too if you change out the tires.
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The FT86 is really good stock too if you change out the tires.
Eh, it still has a crappy engine, forgettable transmission, and mediocre everything else.

It's just mediocrity overload.
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Old 03-26-2019, 01:02 AM   #42
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Eh, it still has a crappy engine, forgettable transmission, and mediocre everything else.

It's just mediocrity overload.
This is the perplex.
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I test drove a brz then a miata and got back into the Boss.

I wanted a miata, the brz was terrible.

Give it something noteworthy and it would be great. It was just forgettable and bland.

**** even a poverty ej255 would be amazing.
I agree completely. I test drove a BRZ Limited a few times hoping to buy as a miniature version of my STI. My buddies also let me drive their BRZ's pretty hard a couple times saying how great it was, but meh.. it's too frikken slow and yeah handling is better than most but nothing spectacular or memorable. I think a Honda Fit with light mods is faster going down hill in the touge. I mean the BRZ has no power to win anything going up hill or in straight line, so the only place for it is downhill.

First they need to add 150hp/lb-ft and then see how well the platform handles. Slow cars are easy to make them handle well.
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I agree completely. I test drove a BRZ Limited a few times hoping to buy as a miniature version of my STI. My buddies also let me drive their BRZ's pretty hard a couple times saying how great it was, but meh.. it's too frikken slow and yeah handling is better than most but nothing spectacular or memorable. I think a Honda Fit with light mods is faster going down hill in the touge. I mean the BRZ has no power to win anything going up hill or in straight line, so the only place for it is downhill.

First they need to add 150hp/lb-ft and then see how well the platform handles. Slow cars are easy to make them handle well.

Where are you experiencing touge in the Midwest? What is this talk about ďwinningĒ up hill or down hill in the Midwest? Put down the initial D, Takumi.
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^^ Hahaha, funny guy. You're absolutely right, no place for a BRZ in the midwest to make any sense, thus I do not own one or care to. However, I do travel a lot and know the LA area very well (Malibu area with canyons) where there are many winding roads including some tight roads similar to a touge. Not to forget the tail of the dragon.

I would not be surprised if a Honda Fit with light mods could keep up with the BRZ on the winding roads going down hill.
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I agree completely. I test drove a BRZ Limited a few times hoping to buy as a miniature version of my STI. My buddies also let me drive their BRZ's pretty hard a couple times saying how great it was, but meh.. it's too frikken slow and yeah handling is better than most but nothing spectacular or memorable. I think a Honda Fit with light mods is faster going down hill in the touge. I mean the BRZ has no power to win anything going up hill or in straight line, so the only place for it is downhill.

First they need to add 150hp/lb-ft and then see how well the platform handles. Slow cars are easy to make them handle well.
The car doesnít need 350hp. Give it a 2.0lt turbo making between 220-250hp max and call it good. If you must have 330+ hp, go buy the new Supra.
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Yeah, I guess they do need to keep that power gap for the Supra and 86 to co-exist.. however the next BRZ might have an opportunity for more power..(?)
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Malibu area with canyons) where there are many winding roads including some tight roads similar to a touge. Not to forget the tail of the dragon.
Tail of the dragon is in NC. The Snake is on Mulholland.

Can't wait for August where I'll be working in Port Hueneme for a week. My rentals always get a workout. 2 years ago in the Camaro was really good.

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The car doesn't need 350hp. Give it a 2.0lt turbo making between 220-250hp max and call it good. If you must have 330+ hp, go buy the new Supra.
220hp as a base model but why cant they option it up to a high hp engine.

You can option a 4 door sedan to 300+ hp
Why not a sports coupe?

This **** isnt an economy car. When you can get just about everything with 300 hp why not the only 2 door light weight rwd sports coupe.

HP sells to everyone. OMG muh chassis and weight and balance only sells to a select few.
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Everyone keeps talking about the horsepower...

It doesn't need horsepower, it needs torque and a flat torque band. Give it 200 ftlbs and somewhere from 200-250hp and it will be amazing.
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