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Old 09-07-2022, 11:34 PM   #126
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I can't imagine buying a Z over a Supra for either manual or automatic unless you just don't have the cash and can actually find a base Z for under $50K. And even then I would get something else like a used Camaro or Mustang.
I was really hoping the new Z would excite me but there is nothing about the car that moves me. Even if a fully loaded performance was $35k, I wouldnít buy it although I would say itís a good value at that price. The exterior doesnít excite me, neither does the interior. Itís a Nissan parts bin car comprised of the 370z, Q engine, and a new body.

I really want something else that excites me other than the Supra and M2. I think the GRC is a cool car and will definitely be really and enjoyable but itís not something I want.

Hell, Iíd be more interested in building a boosted S2K than buying the new Z.
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:29 AM   #127
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Wonder if Toyota will do a Mid-Cycle refresh on aesthetics, alas BMW LCI. I definitely would like to see a more aggressive front fascia.
When they launched the MKV, the goal of the platform, based on what Tada who is the chief engineer and head of program, was to do constant updates to keep the car fresh and in demand.

Then Covid hit. I really don't know if they will do any type of major refresh as they cannot build enough of these cars to meet demand as it stands now. I suspect this platform has maybe 2 years left (although they may extend it). Offering the manual at this point seems like a small miracle..
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:33 AM   #128
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Sorry, I missed this. I was on a cross-country trip where I happened to use Turo 2 times this summer.

Dating back to 2015 I've rented:
  • '06 Outback Sport
  • '12 Fit
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  • '14 Model S
  • '18 Expedition
  • '18 Model 3 Performance
  • '19 HR-V
  • '19 Outlander PHEV

There's always a risk that the previous renter (or the car's owner) will crash it and leave you without a car.. but in nearly every situation I could have simply walked up to a rental counter instead. 4 of them I picked up at airports (parking or on the arrivals lane) for little-to-no extra charge.

The MX-5 I rented in the Bay Area and used to travel from Oakland to Laguna Seca along the PCH. There were rental automatic Mustang convertibles everywhere along the PCH, and hkerekes and I were out there living a far better drop-top life. It cost me about the same as a rental Corolla.

I took the Model 3 Performance on a trip through Death Valley. I felt like an automotive journalist getting to go on an adventure in a relatively new vehicle in an exotic landscape. Worth every penny.

The HR-V I rented in PEI this summer was excellent for us.. because the local rental agencies had zero cars to rent or reserve for at least 6 months prior. The Outlander PHEV I just wanted to try out.

My enthusiasm for the service might wane if I had to deal with any real problems, but so far I've had nothing but positive experiences.
Thanks, been meaning to try Turo.
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Old 09-08-2022, 10:35 AM   #129
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Thanks, been meaning to try Turo.
I used Turo back in June to rent a Chrysler Pacifica for a family vacation; owner came to me to drop off and pick up, not everyone offers that, but some do and you can filter for it.

It was slightly less than half the price of renting the equivalent vehicle from Enterprise, and the hours were more flexible (earlier & later availability).

It's also a good service if you want to "try before you buy" with something like a Tesla or any vehicle you can't readily test drive at a dealer, which is most of them these days.

Supra Manual is pretty sweet, I'm sure they will all sell (or are already spoken for). I'd like to see a comparison between it, the Z, 2SS Camaro and Mustang Mach 1, not that it would sway my decision, I just think it would make for good content, heck bring in a 90's example of each of them for the nostalgia hit. We're coming to the end of pure ICE vehicles & those all have a manual available to boot; Camissa can do it, I generally like his presentation style.
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Old 09-08-2022, 11:00 AM   #130
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I, too, appreciate the Turo feedback since I'm gonna try to set something up for my mom and sister when they come to MA from Alaska to visit later this month. Mostly we'll be using my car, but one weekend I have planned as a guy's weekend up in New Hampshire to drive fast through curves in the mountains (*gasp*) and I don't want my mom to feel trapped at my place. We have friends in New York/New Jersey that she'll probably go visit, so I'll have to see what's available for about 500 miles of driving around.
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:06 PM   #131
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Has anyone here bought a Supra new? Especially lately? I ask because I'm curious how that process went. I can barely fathom how hopeless it would be.

Maybe the market for it is small enough that it's not any worse than obtaining say, a GR86 (which is a really really bad experience.)
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Old 09-08-2022, 12:49 PM   #132
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Has anyone here bought a Supra new? Especially lately? I ask because I'm curious how that process went. I can barely fathom how hopeless it would be.

Maybe the market for it is small enough that it's not any worse than obtaining say, a GR86 (which is a really really bad experience.)
Buying a vehicle right now sucks in general; in my experience, if a dealer has what you want, they are likely charging markup, which I refuse to pay out of principle. If a dealer doesn't charge markup, they may be able to get you what you want, but you're going to wait an indeterminant amount of time, with Toyota, their allocation system has been discussed previously in this thread, suffice it to say, it really sucks for the consumer.

I've been waiting on a highlander Hybrid I ordered at the beginning of April, and I still don't have a build date, so over five months so far.

IF you find a dealer that has what you want in stock, or you're not a picky SOB like I am, you'll have a better time, but if you want a certain color and certain trim packages, be prepared to wait (or pay markup).

If you're interested in buying a Supra, I suggest you start checking in with local dealers, determine if they are charging markup, ask if they know what they're getting and when they are getting it.

I did a search on cargurus and there is one supra 3.0 Premium with a manual listed in the contiguous US, and it's not in a color I want, and the dealer is in Miami, FL, where I'm certain they charge massive "dealer fees" as they are not legally limited (I have tried to buy vehicles in Florida previously, every dealer I spoke with charges ridiculous fees).

There are also 9 other 3.0 manuals listed - one 3.0 and eight A-91 CF's, most are gray, one is white.

You can also do a cargurus search for what you want, not every dealer lists cars on cargurus, but a bunch do and it's a good gauge of how tight supply is.

I think it's going to be difficult to say the least.
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:30 PM   #133
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Thanks, yeah I should have prefaced with the fact that I am all too familiar with Toyota's process. I'm shocked that they put Supra buyers through the same exact garbage. Their system is (and always was/pre pandemic) awful at dealing with lower volume models in a reasonable way and I'd expect the problems to be amped up to the sky with Supra.

The only commonly feasible path to getting one would lead to either a massive markup (man am I getting sick of talking about those) an indefinite if not infinite wait or both.

I say "commonly" because I know a few h4x for getting a car but I'm sure peoples' success rate will vary wildly and few would be up to doing the things.
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:30 PM   #134
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Old 09-08-2022, 01:50 PM   #135
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Has anyone here bought a Supra new? Especially lately? I ask because I'm curious how that process went. I can barely fathom how hopeless it would be.

Maybe the market for it is small enough that it's not any worse than obtaining say, a GR86 (which is a really really bad experience.)
My cousin just bought one, traded in his Stinger for it. Didn't pre-order it just bought one on a lot. Pre ordering with Toyota has been a PITA for GR86 buyers since Toyota really doesn't do that, they just send cars to dealers.

He bought it from a rural dealer that made the process pretty easy, but they weren't super knowledgeable about the car either. He got a really good trade in value for the Stinger but did pay a couple grand ADM (was right around 60k for a fully loaded model so not terrible).
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Old 09-08-2022, 02:03 PM   #136
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My cousin just bought one, traded in his Stinger for it. Didn't pre-order it just bought one on a lot. Pre ordering with Toyota has been a PITA for GR86 buyers since Toyota really doesn't do that, they just send cars to dealers.
Do any of them (non-boutique/non-real luxury brands) make cars to order anymore? BMW/MINI were holdouts for a long time, but I think even they have made both brands' products and packaging far more generic and just distribute existing allocations anymore.
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Old 09-08-2022, 02:23 PM   #137
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Do any of them (non-boutique/non-real luxury brands) make cars to order anymore? BMW/MINI were holdouts for a long time, but I think even they have made both brands' products and packaging far more generic and just distribute existing allocations anymore.
Most have always had an option for ordering a specific car with an allocation, but have a lot of pre-sent cars too. Toyota seems to have almost no option for ordering something via allocation to a customers specific pre-sold request. Even Subaru can do that which is odd.
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Old 09-08-2022, 02:30 PM   #138
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Even Subaru can do that which is odd.
I'm finding more and more that this is a remarkable thing, Subaru's ordering system. As everything drags on totally s***ty like it has I'd be surprised if more people don't start pointing to their system as The Way. It's like it was made for this post-pandemic world.
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Old 09-08-2022, 04:00 PM   #139
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Has anyone here bought a Supra new? Especially lately? I ask because I'm curious how that process went. I can barely fathom how hopeless it would be.

Maybe the market for it is small enough that it's not any worse than obtaining say, a GR86 (which is a really really bad experience.)
The entire market is going to stay jacked up for another 18-24 months. Industry people say the chip shortages for the automobile mfrís will ease Q4 of 2023. If you can punt as long as you can. The longer you can wait, the easier it will be, and less costly. The 6MT is going to be jacked all of next year. Waiting sucks but Iíd rather wait, which is free, then have to box and pay ADM.
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Old 09-08-2022, 04:12 PM   #140
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Has anyone here bought a Supra new? Especially lately? I ask because I'm curious how that process went. I can barely fathom how hopeless it would be.

Maybe the market for it is small enough that it's not any worse than obtaining say, a GR86 (which is a really really bad experience.)
A few have taken delivery on the the supramkv forum. Might want to check it out.
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Old 09-08-2022, 04:57 PM   #141
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Waiting sucks but I'd rather wait, which is free, then have to box and pay ADM.
For sure it's hard, can confirm. I'm not considering Supra any more, just curious how that actually goes.

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A few have taken delivery on the the supramkv forum. Might want to check it out.
Will have a look, thanks.

I remember this time last year thinking how lucky I was to not be wading around in this cesspool of a market. Not a new car care in the world. How did I find myself here now? Why?
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