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Old 07-05-2021, 11:42 AM   #26
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Correct. The 2er will be built in Mexico.

As for the bunny teeth models, I have seen the new M3 in Brooklyn Grey and Isle of Man Green and it looks pretty good actually. Sao Paulo Yellow and White, not so much.
I've seen the M3 as well. It's a new front end away from being amazing looking.
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Old 07-05-2021, 12:30 PM   #27
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I've seen the M3 as well. It's a new front end away from being amazing looking.
I understand, however I do not think any drastic changes will be coming for the M3 until the next generation.

I don't think you have kids prof, do you? Why not go for the M2 or pick up a Porsche GT4? I mean, you know the STI is gonna disappoint.
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Old 07-05-2021, 01:02 PM   #28
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I understand, however I do not think any drastic changes will be coming for the M3 until the next generation.

I don't think you have kids prof, do you? Why not go for the M2 or pick up a Porsche GT4? I mean, you know the STI is gonna disappoint.
I do have one daughter. The roads are so terrible in upstate NY, and they salt so heavily, I think I’m probably going to end up with two cars. I can’t deal with the thought of thrashing something nice and expensive like an RS3 driving it year round. Maybe a mint 996 GT2 and a base ****box Subaru for the winter.
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Old 07-05-2021, 01:37 PM   #29
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I do have one daughter. The roads are so terrible in upstate NY, and they salt so heavily, I think I’m probably going to end up with two cars. I can’t deal with the thought of thrashing something nice and expensive like an RS3 driving it year round. Maybe a mint 996 GT2 and a base ****box Subaru for the winter.
GT2, now you are living out my dreams. Message me when you get one, I want a ride.
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Old 07-05-2021, 11:17 PM   #30
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240i loses the manual this go around? Damnit man.
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Old 07-06-2021, 12:53 AM   #31
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No bad grill is going to up the stock of the 2.
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Old 07-06-2021, 09:44 AM   #32
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240i loses the manual this go around? Damnit man.
Correct, all 2 Series will only come in automatic. Only the M2 gets a 6 speed manual.
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Old 07-06-2021, 10:12 AM   #33
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Hark ! are they getting back to those E30 M3 Fenders instead of weenie wide lips ?
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:21 PM   #34
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Along with the 3 Series, the 2 Series Coupe has been one of those rare, universally appealing models within BMW's lineup over the last few years. It doesn't have outrageous styling, the driving experience has always been tactile and fun, and power was directed to the right set of wheels. This week, the new 2 Series was leaked and for all BMW fans, the immediate question was: Has BMW messed too much with a winning formula, or is the second-generation 2 Series a success? Well, here it is and that's a question we'll attempt to answer over the next few minutes.





It has to be said that initial impressions are far more promising than was the case with the latest 4 Series. Compared to the outgoing 230i, the new 2 Series in 230i guise is 4.3 inches longer, 2.6 inches wider, an inch lower, and rides on a wheelbase that has been lengthened by two inches. European models are pictured here which is why the model in white is a 220i, which won't be offered in the US.

BMW has widened the tracks by a significant 2.8 inches in front and 1.9 inches at the back on the 230i, and by 2.5/2.4 inches on the M240i xDrive. These changes give it a wider, more aggressive stance yet it still has a sporty, compact look about it. It's the various styling details that will be hotly debated in the weeks to come. On a positive note, the kidney grille with its vertical air flaps looks far better than the grille on the 4 Series. We also like the powerful fenders, the short overhangs, and the fact that the Hofmeister kink hasn't gone anywhere.

BMW says that the smaller headlights were inspired by the BMW 2002 models which is why they only have a single circular full-LED headlight, which is a notable departure from almost every other modern BMW. However, we can't ask automakers to "come up with something new" and hold too tightly to the past at the same time. In this case, the 2 Series has a cheeky, bold face that we think works well.

At the back, the taillights with a three-dimensional effect have been positioned at the outer edge of the car; these clusters move away from the gentle L-shaped taillights of the previous model. 230i models have rounded exhaust tips and M240i xDrive variants get larger trapezoidal items. The latter also has Shadowline trim, an M trunk lid spoiler, and M mirror caps.

Color choices include Alpine White, Melbourne Red Metallic, Portimao Blue Metallic, and the distinctive Thundernight Metallic (purple) featured on the M240i here - it looks like a color more associated with a Dodge Challenger.
The new 2 Series is expected to be just as much of a performer as its fun-to-drive predecessor. Unlike the 2 Series Gran Coupe, this is a rear-wheel-drive car (or one with a rear-biased AWD system in the case of xDrive variants).

The 230i uses a tweaked 2.0-liter four-cylinder turbocharged engine with outputs of 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque, increases of 7 hp and 37 lb-ft. In RWD guise, it'll scoot to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds. An eight-speed automatic transmission with launch control is standard.

The M240i xDrive - the only other model to be offered at launch - uses the familiar 3.0-liter six-cylinder turbocharged engine that makes 382 hp and 369 lb-ft. Torque is negligibly better but power is up by a nice 47 hp.

With AWD traction, the M240i will reach 60 mph in only 4.1 seconds. Both models can reach a top speed of 155 mph if properly equipped. BMW says that the latest eight-speeder introduces sharper shift patterns and also improves efficiency. Shift paddles add to the fun and an optional Sprint function for the 230i switches the gearbox into the lowest possible gear following a tug of more than a second on the left shift paddle.

The M240i xDrive gets an M Sport rear differential as standard. This is a RWD car in most cases, unless the added traction of AWD is required based on the driving conditions. The old 2 Series was a joy to drive but the combination of wider tracks, a 12-percent increase in torsional rigidity, and a near-perfect 50:50 weight distribution should make this one even better.

Model-specific electric power steering is standard and the M240i xDrive gets Variable Sport steering, making low-speed maneuvers easier but firming things up when necessary.

After the thoroughly reworked look of the exterior, the interior almost comes as a bit of a disappointment. At first glance, it looks identical to the cabin in the 3 Series. While that should ensure a notable step up in quality, the design seems especially staid for a sporty coupe. Thankfully, there are some fun textures and lighting patterns on the doors that you won't find in a 3 Series. As standard, the 230i gets power front seats, three-zone climate control, active blind-spot detection, and lane departure warning.

The M240i xDrive has a standard moonroof which is 20 percent larger than before. It also adds an M sport steering wheel and ambient interior lighting.
For infotainment duties, the new 2 Series uses the iDrive 7 operating system with an 8.8-inch central touchscreen. Analog gauges and a 5.1-inch driver information display are standard, but the BMW Live Cockpit Professional is optional with its 12.3-inch digital display. This upgrade will also add a larger 10.25-inch central touchscreen. For the first time, a head-up display is available on BMW's smallest coupe and projects information like speed and warnings for the driver-assist systems. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are standard, while the default 10-speaker Hi-Fi sound system can be upgraded to a 14-speaker Harman Kardon unit.

The standard perforated SensaTec upholstery can be upgraded to Vernasca leather, and you can spice up the look with colors like Cognac, Tacora Red, and

As usual, there is a vast options list that includes larger wheels, remote engine start, a drive recorder, and Active Cruise Control with Stop & Go. The 230i can also be had with the Dynamic Handling Package that includes an M Sport rear differential.

Pricing will begin at $36,350 for the 230i Coupe with RWD, an increase of just $450 over the equivalent older model. The M240i xDrive will cost you $48,550, an even smaller $200 increase. These prices exclude a destination charge of $995. The market launch of the 2022 BMW 2 Series Coupe is slated for November 2021. BMW says that 230i xDrive and M240i RWD models will follow, although pricing for these variants is yet to be revealed.










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Old 07-06-2021, 07:27 PM   #35
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Following several teaser images and an embarrassing leak, the next-generation 2 Series is finally here. The 2022 BMW 2 Series Coupe arrives in North America sporting two variants; the four-cylinder 230i and the six-cylinder M240i xDrive. In its less powerful 230i guise, the 2 Series produces a healthy 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque from a 2.0-liter engine, all going out to the rear wheels. All M240i models add xDrive all-wheel-drive with a 3.0-liter B58 engine dishing out 382 hp and 369 lb-ft. No matter which model you choose, all 2 Series versions will ship with an eight-speed automatic.

The outgoing 2 Series previously offered a manual option, but it was discontinued due to R&D costs. When asked if this new car might bring it back, BMW confirmed "there are no current plans to offer a manual transmission option on the new 2 Series Coupe." Even the Europe-only 220i model is automatic-only.

"The standard eight-speed Sport automatic on the new 2022 BMW 2 Series Coupe brings many performance benefits such as standard Launch Control, lighting quick gear changes, optional Sprint mode, and the ability to include advanced driver assistance systems such as active cruise control with stop & go, frontal collision warning with braking, and back-up and parking assists," added Oleg Satanovsky, BMW Product & Technology Spokesperson.

Though we wish BMW would offer an affordable coupe with three pedals, the manual 2 Series Coupe dream is not completely dead. The standard models may be automatic-only, but the upcoming M2 will almost certainly offer one mated to a twin-turbocharged S58 inline-six.

The 2 Series might not have a stickshift, but it does receive another exclusive option. Satanovsky says the new Thundernight Metallic purple (pictured above on the M240i) is not "listed as a paint color for any other 2022 model," meaning it may likely be a 2 Series exclusive (for now). It's only a matter of time before an M3 or M4 owner with great taste has this color painted on their car through the BMW Individual program.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:47 PM   #36
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I think that purple makes for a nice looking car. The tail lights are a bit weird, but compared to what it could be... pretty nice.
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Old 07-06-2021, 09:00 PM   #37
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Very weird looking car. The body looks too big for the cabin. You can really tell they’re making a coupe out of a sedan body.

Guess if I ever want an M2 it’ll have to be the current gen. But I think I’d rather have a Cayman GTS.
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Old 07-06-2021, 09:09 PM   #38
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BMW Usa just posted, ugly af front and back.. happy I owned an M2 before they looked like ass
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Plus you have to come to terms with an M2 being made in México.
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Damn shame. B58, xdrive AWD, and a 6MT, you had a buyer. To quote the legend Spicoli "right here dude." F me, that would have been my next vehicle. 8 speed auto is the only choice? Goodbye.
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Old 07-06-2021, 10:38 PM   #41
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I like the purple color, that's about it.
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Major improvement over the outgoing M240i which was pretty plain looking. Not a big purple guy but that color looks good on this car.
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Plus you have to come to terms with an M2 being made in México.
Current 3 series is made in San Luis and it's solid.
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Yeah, I like that. A lot. It's a Supra with AWD option without the yech looks and lack of rear seats. Supra is complete ass. And is the likely reason this doesn't come with a manual box...because Toyota is a bitch succubus. No R&D money? Between Toyota and BMW, there's simply nothing they could do!





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It's so... Purple
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Is it Techno or Daytona Violet?
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Yeah, I like that. A lot. It's a Supra with AWD option without the yech looks and lack of rear seats. Supra is complete ass. And is the likely reason this doesn't come with a manual box...because Toyota is a bitch succubus. No R&D money? Between Toyota and BMW, there's simply nothing they could do!
The M2 will still come with a manual. I believe the take rate on manual M240i was very low compared to M2 so this does make sense as forum posters usually don't consist of people that actually buy the cars.
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Old 07-07-2021, 11:17 AM   #48
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I think the new M2 is going to freakin' ROCK. That body and fenders make a great platform to get ridiculous with the M treatment...

Watch..
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I think the new M2 is going to freakin' ROCK. That body and fenders make a great platform to get ridiculous with the M treatment...

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Good point. I didn't look that closely and thought that purple one was the M2. If that's the M240 with some optional sport looks package, the M2 should be great.
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The front end proportions look weird. Kinda like they threw a 5-series front clip onto the 2... The back is new and different, but we'll all get used to it.

So many vehicles getting tossed around as a new car and a used 2 series was on the list, don't think this generation would ever fit the bill... previous gen was a lot better looking.
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