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Old 04-13-2022, 05:24 PM   #26
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Old 04-13-2022, 06:49 PM   #27
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Dude.. the Legacy is going to suffer in a major way, right when they got it right for 2020. Sad.
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Old 04-13-2022, 08:41 PM   #28
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Dude.. the Legacy is going to suffer in a major way, right when they got it right for 2020. Sad.
Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of people that think Subaru went backwards with the 2020.
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Old 04-13-2022, 09:24 PM   #29
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I don't see MPG enhancing golf-ball texture on that plastic...
This is the truth right here ^^^^^. With the impeding CAFE standards upon all auto manufacturers I would have expected golf-ball texture to take over all of Subaru's line up.

SIGH I am really disappointed.
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Old 04-13-2022, 09:29 PM   #30
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who from subaru said the golf ball texture was for mpg?
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Old 04-14-2022, 09:33 AM   #31
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who from subaru said the golf ball texture was for mpg?
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"This surface has a hexagonal aerodynamic shape, kind of like a golf ball," he said. "It's functional. It's designed to help improve airflow."
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...fender-flares/

While mpg is not stated it's assumed that better aerodynamics will lead to improved mpg. We are only making fun of it because we know it doesn't really matter.
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Old 04-14-2022, 10:23 AM   #32
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...fender-flares/

While mpg is not stated it's assumed that better aerodynamics will lead to improved mpg. We are only making fun of it because we know it doesn't really matter.
again... who at SUBARU stated it's for mpg?
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Old 04-14-2022, 11:07 AM   #33
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Old 04-14-2022, 11:25 AM   #34
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again... who at SUBARU stated it's for mpg?
Subaru didn't explicitly state MPG but discusses several items related to the "bold" exterior styling.

https://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=1790

1.) Front vents - Improved front stability and reduced lift on the front tires
2.) Rear bumper outlets - reduces body sway
3.) underside & channels - increased downforce
4.) golf ball texture - reduces air resistance
Reduced air resistance/lower Cd is for two things - increased fuel efficiency & higher top speed.

Based on Subarus press release, what do you think the goal of the textured plastic was?
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Old 04-14-2022, 11:39 AM   #35
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Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of people that think Subaru went backwards with the 2020.
I think the current is fantastic. As far as body lines it really filled that void left from the LGT -in my weird mind anyway lol. Though, as we all know, bigger isn't always better. Wish there was more euro spec mentality like they did for the 4th Gen Legacy.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:41 PM   #36
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One positive I like is the fog light area.

But adding the Solterra-esk bumper cladding with a fake vent doesn't look great. At least they could have made it functional or put led accent/drl lights in there. It reminds me of the last Forester XT with the fake bumper vents.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:58 PM   #37
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I prefer this look to the current model. But I cannot unsee Alice Cooper or any number of 70's shock rockers in white. The other colors will be much better IMO.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:10 PM   #38
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again... who at SUBARU stated it's for mpg?
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Subaru didn't explicitly state MPG but discusses several items related to the "bold" exterior styling.

https://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=1790

1.) Front vents - Improved front stability and reduced lift on the front tires
2.) Rear bumper outlets - reduces body sway
3.) underside & channels - increased downforce
4.) golf ball texture - reduces air resistance
Reduced air resistance/lower Cd is for two things - increased fuel efficiency & higher top speed.

Based on Subarus press release, what do you think the goal of the textured plastic was?
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[...]Molded wheel arches and lower trim feature an aerodynamic texture that reduces air resistance.[...]
But, WHO at Subaru STATED this? What's the name of that individual? SoDealer needs us to give him a name !!
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Someone high up at Subaru design definitely has a hard on for black plastic. It looks cheap to me like the treatment of a stripped down base model.
Come on man, they can save a few nickels. Every single penny counts when you're "small".

I just imagine Marge voice from Fargo "Well that looks reathonable".
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Old 04-14-2022, 04:38 PM   #40
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Old 04-14-2022, 06:31 PM   #41
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I think the current is fantastic. As far as body lines it really filled that void left from the LGT -in my weird mind anyway lol. Though, as we all know, bigger isn't always better. Wish there was more euro spec mentality like they did for the 4th Gen Legacy.



I do like the current version and pretty much think it's the best looking of all of them(once I got past the cross-eyed look). I was thinking I may like this better when I first saw it; but, it wasn't very large up on the screen. Now, I want to see what it looks like at night(headlights and fogs) cause I like the current fogs better.
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Old 04-15-2022, 08:28 AM   #42
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Subaru didn't explicitly state MPG but discusses several items related to the "bold" exterior styling.

https://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=1790

1.) Front vents - Improved front stability and reduced lift on the front tires
2.) Rear bumper outlets - reduces body sway
3.) underside & channels - increased downforce
4.) golf ball texture - reduces air resistance
Reduced air resistance/lower Cd is for two things - increased fuel efficiency & higher top speed.

Based on Subarus press release, what do you think the goal of the textured plastic was?
AND Subaru did not state it was for increased fuel efficiency... anywhere. Yet NASIOC has globbed onto the fuel efficiency narrative that was NOT put out there by Subaru. DUMB The video from savage geese which came from Subaru's presentation (as evidenced by the road and track article) says itís to stabilize vehicle movement... you left that out of your options... NASIOC is frustrating. Just making stuff up that feels good.

Refer to the bottom right text, please.

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Old 04-15-2022, 08:37 AM   #43
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Okay, and? Basic hypothesis. I don't expect Subaru to tell us everything, like how much they sucked at tuning their EJ engines for CAFE. Except until recently, when they admitted they couldn't make the STI as we know it... because of CAFE.

I'm just not really sure what your argument is, SoDealer. If textured plastic is beneficial for one, why is it not beneficial for all, regardless of MPG gains or not?

On another topic, Justy and I have discussed this personally, but apparently I'm one of the few who really liked the design of the previous gen OB. I have friends who had one and then purchased a 2021 OBXT and they stated they miss their old OB. A lot of it has to do with the touchscreen interface being awful.
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Okay, and? Basic hypothesis. I don't expect Subaru to tell us everything, like how much they sucked at tuning their EJ engines for CAFE. Except until recently, when they admitted they couldn't make the STI as we know it... because of CAFE.

I'm just not really sure what your argument is, SoDealer. If textured plastic is beneficial for one, why is it not beneficial for all, regardless of MPG gains or not?

On another topic, Justy and I have discussed this personally, but apparently I'm one of the few who really liked the design of the previous gen OB. I have friends who had one and then purchased a 2021 OBXT and they stated they miss their old OB. A lot of it has to do with the touchscreen interface being awful.
NASIOC spends a lot of time making stuff up and then doubling down on being wrong. It's gotten worse and worse over the past 20 years.
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Old 04-15-2022, 11:24 AM   #45
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AND Subaru did not state it was for increased fuel efficiency... anywhere. Yet NASIOC has globbed onto the fuel efficiency narrative that was NOT put out there by Subaru. DUMB The video from savage geese which came from Subaru's presentation (as evidenced by the road and track article) says it's to stabilize vehicle movement... you left that out of your options... NASIOC is frustrating. Just making stuff up that feels good.

Refer to the bottom right text, please.
I hope to get to see that next week. Not sure what they will show us; but, they did say less/no classroom this time.....which means more track time!!!



I can also see the comments coming now....."But, no one drives their car soo fast as to need that; so, still a waste cause it's butt ugly!"

To which, I can't really argue someone not likely the look aspects of it.
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I hope to get to see that next week. Not sure what they will show us; but, they did say less/no classroom this time.....which means more track time!!!



I can also see the comments coming now....."But, no one drives their car soo fast as to need that; so, still a waste cause it's butt ugly!"

To which, I can't really argue someone not likely the look aspects of it.
it's definitely ugly, rear bumper is worse, but the fenders and the rear bumper are both bad.
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NASIOC spends a lot of time making stuff up and then doubling down on being wrong. It's gotten worse and worse over the past 20 years.
It's the defenders of the texture that made up the MPG benefits. The rest of us are just rolling our eyes because we see through the bs. Show me some actual race cars that utilize this, and maybe there's a story.... The fact that they're not putting it on all of their cars is telling that it's not doing a damn thing.
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it's definitely ugly, rear bumper is worse, but the fenders and the rear bumper are both bad.
Spent some time with them back in September and again some with the first one we got a few days ago. It really doesn't bother me look wise. I actually like contrast. Doesn't look 80's base model to me as it does to others. I DO worry long term fading though. I've already planned on possibly getting those pieces and sealing and storing them when I get mine. Then, when I can't keep them black anymore, SWAP!

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It's the defenders of the texture that made up the MPG benefits. The rest of us are just rolling our eyes because we see through the bs. Show me some actual race cars that utilize this, and maybe there's a story.... The fact that they're not putting it on all of their cars is telling that it's not doing a damn thing.
I think it's funny trying to compare one car design to another and especially to race cars. Can you show me another car that has the exact same lines as a WRX to benefit from any particular aero design done to the WRX? And this even goes for other Subaru models. Not the same lines at all between them. "not a damn thing" when shown the proof. Hmmmm Just because the look is hated doesn't make it not viable.
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