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Old 09-07-2022, 06:10 AM   #901
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Wasnít aware of the ME edition and was assuming core and circuit. So I was fairly accurate in pricing.

Not sure why people are griping or bailing out because of pricing. Seems expected given limited number and inflationary cost. Maybe if enough bail out and these sit on lots weíll see discounts. That said, if these donít sell, I could see Toyota killing production after 2-3 years.
For me, as clarification, pricing is actually right where I expected. I was just hoping to be wrong and to be surprised if it actually came in lower as it would've reignited my temptation to own one.

As it stands, my life has taken more of a transient turn, and owning a new car wouldn't allow for that. Otherwise it's a damn good deal. I genuinely hope everyone gets the color and trim they desire, or at least sets money aside for a professional wrap.
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:42 AM   #902
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We knew the pricing of the trims last week so nothing new. We knew destination was gonna be $900-1000.

The packages are all decently priced. I ran numbers this morning when the package prices were revealed. A loaded core to CE in my state factoring in TTL, everything, is right about a 5k spread. I want the silver of the CE and the seats, but I don't know anymore if I'm willing to spend 5k for honestly no real increase in performance in a straight line, in the corners, anywhere really. The CF roof saves little. And I've said since the RIP that the CE is cosmetic edition, it's just you do get better seats. I've never paid for cosmetic trims, etc, where I don't get more performance or something really tangible for my money. All the packages I want so I am leaning to a loaded core now. Would guarantee me a car next year too. CE could be 2024 as there just won't be that many of them. #1 on the list is guy hell bent on a CE and he doesn't care what color. I doubt my stealer is going to get two of them.
one of the articles said CE was first model year only. Hopefully the seats will be available in a second model year edition, but I think you want it asap?

The Corolla Sport seats are pretty nice, don't think the CE is worth it over loaded Core.
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:44 AM   #903
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And then there's the sound. This has to be partly fake noise inside right? And if so, why the absolute F didn't they have the guy who did this fake sound do the GR86!?

https://youtu.be/zeuIn-BAhbc
People are saying he used external car audio for that video. It won't sound like that in car.
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Old 09-07-2022, 08:29 AM   #904
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Well wherever that sound was coming from is where I'd have to sit when I drive it.

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A loaded core is where I'd like to be, but I don't do cloth, so the circuit is what I'd get now; that stated if the core gets optional leatherette/Ultrasuede in future iterations I'd probably be fine with that.

The core has matte black front grill and rear bumper accents, where the circuit has gloss black, I'd prefer the gloss black, but could possibly deal with the matte, and who knows, they may become standard in future iterations, or at the very least available through the parts department. I really don't care about the Carbon Roof, it's cool, but for my intended use it's not a deal breaker either way.

Morizo is a waste to me; a 2-seat four door hatchback just doesn't work for me, at that point I'd just get a 6mt 3.0 Supra, as I prefer RWD anyways.

The only color I like is the red, I'd prefer blue flame, but it's not offered currently, maybe that will happen in the future too.

It's a sweet little hot hatch that would be a fun daily for me, I'm probably not going to be buying too many more new ICE vehicles, BEV is just too practical to ignore.
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The circuit gets the wider bodykit and carbon roof along with upgraded diffs, correct?
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The circuit gets the wider bodykit and carbon roof along with upgraded diffs, correct?
I believe the body is consistent across the lineup. The top of the line model gets the hump hood with vents. Circuit pack gets the front and rear Torsen diffs.
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The circuit gets the wider bodykit and carbon roof along with upgraded diffs, correct?
Same width body kit on the core and circuit.

Circuit gets: (options on the core)
Performance pack as standard (diffs standard brakes w/red calipers)
*Technology package standard (Fairly certain it does, have to reconfirm)
*Cold Weather package standard (Fairly certain it does, have to reconfirm)

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optional "Heavy Metal" color
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Circuit gets: (not sure if they are an option on the core)
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Total: 6,500 models
Core: 4,800 models (will be produced first)
Circuit: 1,500 models
Morizo: 200 models

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The circuit gets the wider bodykit and carbon roof along with upgraded diffs, correct?
The body is the same across all 3 trims of the car as Sid said.

The Circuit is a loaded core (all 3 packages) with the additional cosmetic items that he also said. There are no performance differences between a Core with PP (Torsen front and rear diffs with red painted brake calipers) and the Circuit Edition. The CE is just the bulged hood with vents (the GR Yaris doesnít have this so itís not needed and merely cosmetic), CF roof, and it gets a color you cannot get on the Core, Heavy Metal, and that one off color costs extra, $425. The CE gets the different seat material and Morizo signed shift knob. And lastly the front and rear bumper inserts on any core model are matte, on the CE gloss black.

The CE is nothing more than a cosmetic edition. Like Sid, I am interested in it because of the seat material differences, and I prefer the gloss black bumpers over matte, and Heavy Metal, the silver/grey metallic color is my preferred color. No interest in the CF roof which will have vinyl wrap laid over the CF just like the GRY, or the bulged hood as neither is going to make any difference real world.

The GR Yaris has always been limited in color choices also. GRY had Supersonic red, a gloss white, and a pearl white, and black. Thatís it. So we are getting similar restrictions on colors as the Motomachi plant is Toyotaís STi like plant, specialized, and vehicles made there require more human assembly than other models. So they keep color selection to a minimum to streamline an already more labor involved build process. JDM yo, etc. The GRY has the same exact color choices today or last time I checked.

Prior to pricing being revealed I would have certainly taken the Morizo as it does have tangible performance upgrades but the cost increase is too significant. Itís $10,000 more than a loaded core. Had it been something like 45k, Iíd certainly take it if offered. Will be one hell of a drivers car and the best option at 50k or under for someone who wants or requires AWD in a drivers car. Just too expensive. For 50k, Iíd take the RWD hit and buy a Supra instead. At least Iím getting a six cylinder, the B58, and all the performance offered stock with that engine and the aftermarket capabilities of that motor.

Iíve spoken to my stealer and Toyotaís allocation system is what it is. The stealers will get what they get with little control over which trim, which color, etc. My stealer has a list, and when the first one comes in, they start at #1 on the list and call. If that person refuses that trim/color, it goes onto the next, etc. So everyone is going to be waiting. People on lists who are not picky on color or trim, or packages will get the cars starting at the end of this year. Rest of us will be waiting. Given how cluster F this and the pricing I have one color choice on the Core but require it has all 3 packages. Thatís the one Iím targeting. Then on the CE I donít now if I will turn it down or not if if itís offered to me. Hard to justify 5k for cosmetics when that 5k pays for the extensive PPF I will do, nano ceramic tint, winter wheels and tires, hardwiring my V1, etc. I mean 5k pays for a lot. CE, in the color I want, I might take it providing I have the extra money saved to waste on it. Ex, they call and they have a loaded core but itís not in the color I want. Man it could be 6 months or a year additional wait turning down that car. The numbers are what they are so even high volume dealers will get one of these every 2 months, 1 every 60 days. And good luck on which trim that is, what packages it has on it, etc.

Sidís #ís are 100% accurate and thatís for North America, not just the USDM, so USA and Canada. Most dealers will only get 2-3 GRCís total for the entirety of 2023. Higher volume dealers probably a few more, 5, 6, or 7 for the year. Unless Toyota has a demo model they will ship around for people to drive, going from stealer to stealer, you wonít be able to test drive unless you sign paperwork on the buy first. Iíd say, if on an honest dealerís list, if you arenít top 3 or 4 youíll be waiting until 2024 and then again if you want X edition or x color or x color with x packages, itís gonna be a lot of waiting, multiple model years. For this little production Toyota should be doing formal orders from buyers and stealers. You spec it out, they order it, and wait. But unfortunately, this entire process will be the same as a Camry, and I mean allocation. Stealers trade other stealers for a color, trim, etc, but with limited production they are highly unlikely to do that with the GRC. Too much greed. Some stealers are already stating they will put miles on these cars themselves, then transfer the vehicle from Toyota dealer to another mfr in the same auto group, like a Ford dealership, sell it as used, for 50k, 60k, 70k. Many others already adding 10k markup, 20k markup, etc. The honest dealers out there, and they are out there, will have little to no control over which trim or color they get, etc. But I do expect most of these to have the performance package with the diffs, and at least one other package be it cold weather or tech pack. Having researched all this going back to when the GRY was first spy shotted, and in development, well the CE is going to be as rare as someone wanting the Core with PP only in a specific color. Some will get lucky, others will have to accept whatever their stealer gets and most will pay ADM.

In other words, while Toyota loves all the attention this is bringing the brand, and enjoying the hype, etc, the roll out of these cars is going to be a got damn mess. ADM will be CTR like or worse, rampant all over the place. Stealers will be transferring the cars to other mfrís in their same auto group selling them used for stupid money. Morizos will have C8 at release type ADM, or worse. CEís the same but not to the extent or amount, so the Core with the packages you want will be the least hassle but still a travesty. You want an exact thing, most will be waiting to 2024 or 2025. They could have avoided all this by ordering system, etc, but thatís not how it works in the USDM. Then your little Toyota group, mine is Gulf States Toyota, owned by some billionaires, tack on crap on all their models. Garbage PPF for 1k. Tint, wheel locks, all sorts of garbage that to me is just a form of ADM because theyíll make you pay for it. And itís grossly overpriced.

2024 and on it will get easier. End of 2023 is when industry people predict chip shortages to alleviate. And you need a full year of other things being out there to mystify Randy. The CTR, the new Z, 6MT Supra, there is a special edition Golf R coming. Maybe Toybaru does the Twins with the PP to get some. Maybe Subaru will offer up some diffs on the WRX, and/or make alterations to the looks. A host of things will pull demand away from this car but rollout will be stupid. Influencers and YT people walking into a stealer and setting down two stacks of high society to bump up lists to get their ďcontentĒ etc. Lastly you have a bunch of Randies with money down all over town at 3, 4, 5, and some are on lists at 10 stealers. That creates false demand so people who arenít picky on this or that will be the ones who get cars and are happy. The pickier you are the longer you are likely to wait.
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The pickier you are the longer you are likely to wait.
I am that picky SOB, I've bought too many vehicles where I didn't get exactly what I wanted, usually it's exterior paint color. I'll be waiting until the exact vehicle I want is built, since the CE is one year only, I'll likely be waiting for whatever the following years "mid-tier special edition" is, and you know Toyota will have at least one special edition per year as long as demand remains, unless they migrate the items I want from the CE to the Core (primarily interior, but gloss black grill/bumper stuff would be welcomed at this price range).

We "ordered" my wife a car back in April, still don't have a build date, earlier this week the dealer offered us a different color with fewer options (blue instead of red, and ironically, my wife wants the larger touch screen) as they have one coming in, but we declined - we want exactly what we want from the factory, add-on crap like roof racks, tow bar etc. can always be done later, but the color we want and options we want can't be redone later, not for the money it costs us to get it that way from the factory anyways.

Toyotas allocation system sucks, especially during current times when chip shortages mean the dealers that get the vehicles are also the dealers that charge markup, which I won't pay; I'm not even happy that I'm paying MSRP.

I've been searching dealers nationwide, if her color/trim/options comes up I'll just buy & ship one, it's pretty inexpensive, and we just want the thing before winter.

Trying to get an IS500 is a fools errand as well, especially when you're a picky fool like I am.

If it takes until 2025, I'll probably wind up in an EV as a daily; I'm getting my 66 done (I tore it apart, but I do not have the time, kids/wife/house/job/etc.) so I'll get my V8 6mt kicks there, that should be done by ~spring 2025 anyways.
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People are saying he used external car audio for that video. It won't sound like that in car.
TheTopher & Tedward (WindingRoad) use binaural mics on their videos. If you want to know what a car will sound like while driving, watch their videos with headphones on.




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I am that picky SOB, I've bought too many vehicles where I didn't get exactly what I wanted, usually it's exterior paint color. I'll be waiting until the exact vehicle I want is built, since the CE is one year only, I'll likely be waiting for whatever the following years "mid-tier special edition" is, and you know Toyota will have at least one special edition per year as long as demand remains, unless they migrate the items I want from the CE to the Core (primarily interior, but gloss black grill/bumper stuff would be welcomed at this price range).


Toyotas allocation system sucks, especially during current times when chip shortages mean the dealers that get the vehicles are also the dealers that charge markup, which I won't pay; I'm not even happy that I'm paying MSRP.
I donít blame you one damn bit. A CE, especially in SSR or HM, which are both additional $425 cost for paint options, all in with TTL, those lovely ďdocĒ fees, 48-50k depending on your state, tax rate etc. Iíve run the numbers here, and if the Gulf States group who controls our whole geo footprint Toyotas in multiple states can be convinced to NOT add garbage add ons, somewhere around 48-49k. So itís basically a 50k car. You should get exactly the color, spec, whatever. Problem is with no ordering system to build to order, well there are 1500 total CEís for all of USA and Canada. You want a particular color, thatís 500 cars out of the 1500 to scrap for. My goodness you could be waiting to 2025.

All through the past few years stuff closing, limited, whatever, Iíve shrugged it all off. I even lost my own family member to that damn virus and that will take its toll for years, as well as being Vaccinated then getting Delta and having sleep issues because of it to this day. I can deal with all that but this scarcity and cost bs Iím tired of it man. Whether you need a car or want one, cluster. Iím looking for rural land to move and even it is all jacked up due all this mess. Prior to the past 2 years, cheap, got choice as it pertains to size, cost. Not anymore. Now itís a cluster like buying a car, any car. And I have to remodel the current crib to max equity it so I can pay for my permanent rural residence and materials high, scarce, labor through the roof. For the first time Iím now super irritated with all this. Just give us a damn date. How many damn years is it going to take to get back to some sort of normalcy with vehicles, land, homes, a damn video card or console, whatever it is? I was happy to SIP, cut this and that off for a few years, get the double prick to protect others and myself. Push out things a few years, etc. And Iíve dealt with the personal loss and health issues but geez. This is irritating.

I bought a damn console for the first time in like over 10 years in Dec 2020. This GRC is the same thing as I dealt with on a PS5. Why canít I place a deposit for exactly what I want so I donít have to jump through hoops? Console, cool, Iíll pay for it up front and if it donít come for 6 months, fine. No prob. Same thing with this car. i gave you 1k. You want an additional 4k? Cool, Iíll write you a check right now. And if itís late 2024 fine. Get the paperwork ready. Nope, we got this greedy dealer model that is more important than customers! And we have this allocation system setup like this for whom again? Who does this serve?
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are they sure this wasn't designed by Subaru?

shifting out of second, on the rev limiter, at 58mph.

the 0-60 snobs will not be pleased.

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So they are going to be like 50K plus with ADM, lol. I sat in one, it is really tiny inside and the interior feels like a sub 20K car. Personally I'll take a RWD GR86/BRZ all day over this but I am glad Toyota made the effort to bring it here. Too bad the actual selling price puts it against cars like the Supra.
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So they are going to be like 50K plus with ADM, lol. I sat in one, it is really tiny inside and the interior feels like a sub 20K car. Personally I'll take a RWD GR86/BRZ all day over this but I am glad Toyota made the effort to bring it here. Too bad the actual selling price puts it against cars like the Supra.
Man, you find excuses for result literally everything, don't you?

Where's your 22 WRX? Your GR86? Your new BRZ? Your new Supra?

Did you even bother reading the price release?

Can someone just ban this troll?
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So they are going to be like 50K plus with ADM, lol. I sat in one, it is really tiny inside and the interior feels like a sub 20K car. Personally I'll take a RWD GR86/BRZ all day over this but I am glad Toyota made the effort to bring it here. Too bad the actual selling price puts it against cars like the Supra.
If thereís ADM on the GRC, thereís ADM on the Supra. So no, itís not right against the Supra in pricing.

I could be wrong but also think youíre full of **** and havenít sat in one so thereís that.
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If thereís ADM on the GRC, thereís ADM on the Supra. So no, itís not right against the Supra in pricing.

I could be wrong but also think youíre full of **** and havenít sat in one so thereís that.
They donít seem to be attainable anywhere close to the MSRP but if you can get one for that more power to you.
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They donít seem to be attainable anywhere close to the MSRP but if you can get one for that more power to you.
Yeah, you completely missed my post. The Supra will have ADM as well so there will likely be a $10k difference between the vehicles if not more.



For those interested in which dealers are charging msrp versus taking in ADM, this google doc continues to be updated (shows dealer and if they have adm or msrp)

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I looked at a regular Corolla and there's a $5k markup to $30k. Granted Toyota's website arbitrarily sends you to the inventory of the nearest dealer. Hopefully I won't need another car for a year or so at least.
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Yeah, you completely missed my post. The Supra will have ADM as well so there will likely be a $10k difference between the vehicles if not more.



For those interested in which dealers are charging msrp versus taking in ADM, this google doc continues to be updated (shows dealer and if they have adm or msrp)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...X97-tg/pubhtml

Of course but to a much lesser extent. My point was that underneath this is still a Corolla made to a certain price point, yes ? Crash ratings, wind noise, interior quality and so on come into play. I understand the appeal of this vehicle but it is quickly starting to lose it with the crazy mark ups. By all means I hope I am wrong and that everyone that wants one gets it close to sticker but I am curious to see what the real world pricing will be. They are so limited at this time that IMO they will all sell well above the asking price and many people probably will probably park them in the garage leaving it out of reach for most enthusiasts.
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I looked at a regular Corolla and there's a $5k markup to $30k. Granted Toyota's website arbitrarily sends you to the inventory of the nearest dealer. Hopefully I won't need another car for a year or so at least.
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Can someone just ban this troll?
The misinformation should be enough. Trowí in the if itís not a Boobaru heís gonna trash it deal. Nasty combo meal there. Itís past stale.

Interesting bs comments too because Iíve had a deposit for 6 months now on this car. I will not be paying a dime of ADM. MSRP only. Iíve got two trims and colors picked out and donít know which I will go with yet. Itís either going to be 39.3k or 44.4k + TTL. Both considerably less expensive than a Supra. Loaded core with all 3 packages is still under 40k so that is almost 16k cheaper than a Premium Supra. Ridiculous comments above.
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Of course but to a much lesser extent. My point was that underneath this is still a Corolla made to a certain price point, yes ? Crash ratings, wind noise, interior quality and so on come into play. I understand the appeal of this vehicle but it is quickly starting to lose it with the crazy mark ups. By all means I hope I am wrong and that everyone that wants one gets it close to sticker but I am curious to see what the real world pricing will be. They are so limited at this time that IMO they will all sell well above the asking price and many people probably will probably park them in the garage leaving it out of reach for most enthusiasts.
Who cares if someone drives the piss out of it or leaves it in a garage? Itís their money, their purchase. Any vehicle with ADM will start to lose appeal to a certain percentage of buyers, This isnít specific to the GRC. I personally have almost no interest in the GRC, even if it was a $25k car so I have no reason to defend this vehicle. But your bias against anything Subaru / for Subaru is beyond ridiculous. We get it, you love Subaru. But sweet tap dancing Christ man, give it a rest already.

With your comparison of the GR to a standard Corolla, I guess we can say the STI has the same quality as base Impreza.
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Old 09-11-2022, 02:31 AM   #925
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