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Old 09-22-2022, 03:36 PM   #1026
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Bet some markets will get both to choose from, if for what ever reason the buyer needs a bigger 4 door GR hatchback. Still salty over the teasing of the US market Toyota pulled with the GRY.
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The overwhelming positive response to that teasing is very likely what got the GRC greenlit for the US.
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It was already in the works before the launch of the GRY.
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Old 09-27-2022, 01:32 PM   #1028
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MT: 2023 Toyota GR Corolla 0-60 MPH, -Mile Tested: Not as Quick as Expected

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-quarter-mile/

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Old 09-27-2022, 01:34 PM   #1029
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MT: 2023 Toyota GR Corolla 0-60 MPH, -Mile Tested: Not as Quick as Expected

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-quarter-mile/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/
good, maybe that will make the magazine racers go somewhere else and bump me up the line.
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5000 feet elevation bro. That's a mile up. Let's wait until next month for independent tests.

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Old 09-27-2022, 04:06 PM   #1031
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5000 feet elevation bro. That's a mile up. Let's wait until next month for independent tests.

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Where does it state in the article(s) that it was tested at 5000 feet. The initial press event was in Utah, but individual outlets have been sent cars now.

The test photos look like they were taken in California.

This is not too far off from expected performance. I'd expect a fully broken in car on 93 octane to be 1-2mph faster in the quarter mile.

People have just gotten use to the performance of cars with underated hp (like the CTR, ElantraN, etc).
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Old 09-27-2022, 04:18 PM   #1032
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Old 09-27-2022, 04:53 PM   #1033
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Honestly, the slipping 0-60 times are interesting. Even the advertised 0-60 is slower than my stock 2009 wrx was. Granted, this will be a lot faster around the track, but it's just surprising that a focus on handling and other things have basically meant that straight line acceleration didn't just stagnate, it went backwards. guess those emissions requirements are taking their toll.
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Old 09-27-2022, 05:13 PM   #1034
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Honestly, the slipping 0-60 times are interesting. Even the advertised 0-60 is slower than my stock 2009 wrx was. Granted, this will be a lot faster around the track, but it's just surprising that a focus on handling and other things have basically meant that straight line acceleration didn't just stagnate, it went backwards. guess those emissions requirements are taking their toll.
That's true for Subaru, but not really the case for other brands.
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Old 09-27-2022, 05:21 PM   #1035
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Where does it state in the article(s) that it was tested at 5000 feet. The initial press event was in Utah, but individual outlets have been sent cars now.

The test photos look like they were taken in California.

This is not too far off from expected performance. I'd expect a fully broken in car on 93 octane to be 1-2mph faster in the quarter mile.

People have just gotten use to the performance of cars with underated hp (like the CTR, ElantraN, etc).
Photos look like they were taken at UMP. They had a "street" course set up around the track. That's where everyone else did this same ****. But either way, good. Hopefully this will get rid of some people who just chase 0-60 mph and 1/4 times.

I'm not concerned either way with "stock" performance. Not buying this thing to drive it stock.

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That's true for Subaru, but not really the case for other brands.
That is simply not true. The Civic Si is a better car than its predecessor albeit posting slower 0-60 times. Same with the VB WRX as it now requires an additional shift to get to 60 mph. In addition, while the MK8 received noticeable handling improvements (aluminum subframe/more aggressive suspension setup), 0-60 is about the same as the outgoing model.
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Old 09-27-2022, 05:54 PM   #1037
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That's true for Subaru, but not really the case for other brands.
Well I guess I'm just surprised to see such an expensive hot hatch from toyota be outgunned by a 13 year old subaru hatch, in a straight line.

Because while I enjoy whipping around turns and all that, I'm not going 10/10 on the street around corners, but I can use all of the available acceleration on the street often. These fast track numbers don't mean as much to me as passing power and being to accelerate past morons on the road. A hot hatch like this needs to be able to outrun an outback xt. And thankfully this car can do that...

Whatevs, clearly I'm not the demographic for this vehicle. I'm sure it'll be a hoot for everyone who buys it.
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It's shocking that a 300 hp hatchback would be no quicker than a 300 hp 10 year old STI hatchback?
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Old 09-27-2022, 06:35 PM   #1039
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Well I guess I'm just surprised to see such an expensive hot hatch from toyota be outgunned by a 13 year old subaru hatch, in a straight line.
It's one test by one outlet.

Your 13 year old car and 2023 are not the same CAFE/emissions standards.

It's a lighter car and handling is going to be vastly improved from your car. If straight line speed is what you're after there are plenty of options out there. Go for a V8.

And costly? A PP core is like $37k and some change. In 2023 that is not costly. I think the average new car sold is 10k more.
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Old 09-28-2022, 12:32 PM   #1041
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It's shocking that a 300 hp hatchback would be no quicker than a 300 hp 10 year old STI hatchback?
my 2009 wrx was not 300 hp.
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Old 09-28-2022, 01:17 PM   #1042
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my 2009 wrx was not 300 hp.
Well true it was 265hp, but with a 5 speed transmission that was geared better for straight line speed. The GR WRX, outside of the 2008 was faster in a straight line even compared to the STI model, which had 300+ hp.

Honestly the GRC being slower in a straight line compared to the 09+ GR WRX makes sense just by gearing alone. Nothing special going on here.
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Well I guess I'm just surprised to see such an expensive hot hatch from toyota be outgunned by a 13 year old subaru hatch, in a straight line.

Because while I enjoy whipping around turns and all that, I'm not going 10/10 on the street around corners, but I can use all of the available acceleration on the street often. These fast track numbers don't mean as much to me as passing power and being to accelerate past morons on the road. A hot hatch like this needs to be able to outrun an outback xt. And thankfully this car can do that...

Whatevs, clearly I'm not the demographic for this vehicle. I'm sure it'll be a hoot for everyone who buys it.



How often are you having to "race" someone to pass them? Passing power is fine; but, if ANYONE is accelerating to keep me from passing, I'll look for another avenue as clearly they are dangerous. That Outback XT you think you "need" to be faster than?..... is realistically not trying to accelerate to hinder your pass.



This "need" for power(300+ or whatever) for whatever reason still makes me laugh cause what did all y'all do in the 80s/90s when "regular" cars were NOWHERE near the power you think you "need" now? And they got along just fine.
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Welll it is a 3cyl after all. I don't really expect much more power out of it to be quite frank.
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Welll it is a 3cyl after all. I don't really expect much more power out of it to be quite frank.
Australians have already gone over 500whp on G16 out of the GR Yaris, it is capable of making plenty of power. This only required upgraded valve springs to hold the high boost levels.
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How often are you having to "race" someone to pass them? Passing power is fine; but, if ANYONE is accelerating to keep me from passing, I'll look for another avenue as clearly they are dangerous. That Outback XT you think you "need" to be faster than?..... is realistically not trying to accelerate to hinder your pass.


This "need" for power(300+ or whatever) for whatever reason still makes me laugh cause what did all y'all do in the 80s/90s when "regular" cars were NOWHERE near the power you think you "need" now? And they got along just fine.
Need. Want. They're just words. You know what I meant, no need to be obtuse about it.

In the 90's, SUV/CUV's weren't outrunning halo performance cars...
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Australians have already gone over 500whp on G16 out of the GR Yaris, it is capable of making plenty of power. This only required upgraded valve springs to hold the high boost levels.
Sorry I should've added more to the previous, I meant I didn't expect more from factory tune due to EPA and everything else.

But hey, can't wait to see what the 2.4 is capable of out of the CladRX, as opposed to the 1.6 in the GR
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TLDR: 300hp isn't a big deal anymore, everything has gotten significantly more powerful than it was 30 to 40 years ago; do a weight : power ratio comparison, 300hp in the 1990's isn't the same as 300hp in the 2020's

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This "need" for power(300+ or whatever) for whatever reason still makes me laugh cause what did all y'all do in the 80s/90s when "regular" cars were NOWHERE near the power you think you "need" now? And they got along just fine.
True, performance cars had less power in the 80's/90's
However
They were also significantly lighter, so you didn't need as much power
Trucks and SUVs had way less power than they do today, they were mostly toque with very low horsepower, not to mention significantly fewer gears to keep them in the horsepower.
Beyond that, there were significantly fewer SUVs as "normal cars" it was mostly minivans, and outside of the 2nd gen Dodge/Chrysler Caravan (V6 models), they were all slow.

80mph is the cruising speed on the highway in New England now, except in Northern NH where the speed limit is 70; I stick to 9-over because of my CT plates, but any Mass/NH plate certainly doesn't.

Do you recall how slow normal cars were back in the 80's/90's? The full size jobs (Crown Vic, etc.) were BOF so the V8 didn't do them any good as far as speed & acceleration were concerned, Buick made rolling sofas for the 70+ crowd, Subaru made cars with barely over 100hp.

"Back in the day" I had cars that were significantly faster than "normal" stuff without being bonkers power.
A fox mustang with ~300WHP, close ratio 5mt & 3:55s would embarrass most anything "normal" on the road (considering it came with 2:73s, as did other Ford cars, GM & dodge had equally sleepy gearing).

Fast forward ~30 years and the Mustang is 460hp, 6spd, 3:55s or 3:73s all from the factory, not to mention nannies to help you rev match, launch, and keep the rear end from breaking loose when you get into the pedal too much, while being ~600lbs heavier than a fox, but a stock fox only had 225hp in the 90's; 8.3lb:1hp now, 13.8lb:1hp then; that's a lot of go.

Now trucks & CUVs/SUVs have an optional V6TT with an 8 or 10 speed, not saying that's the norm (except for the F150 crowd, and now the Tundra crowd) but the V8 in the F150 is no slouch either.

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How often are you having to "race" someone to pass them? Passing power is fine; but, if ANYONE is accelerating to keep me from passing, I'll look for another avenue as clearly they are dangerous. That Outback XT you think you "need" to be faster than?..... is realistically not trying to accelerate to hinder your pass.
Happens all the time, at least in CT. Everybody is crazy now; If I get into the situation where someone is trying to stop me from passing, if I can't outpower them by a significant amount, I just drop back until someone sees my blinker and lets me in, that guy/gal can have the front spot. If they're being a dick about it, like slowing down below the speed limit after I drop in behind them, I will put effort into passing them, if there is an off-ramp that looks like it has an easy back-on, I'll drop off and get a snack.

If my wife and/or kids are in the car, Cruise set at 5-9mph over, staying in the right lane as much as possible; like I said, people are crazy, and I have mellowed as I aged.
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Need. Want. They're just words. You know what I meant, no need to be obtuse about it.

In the 90's, SUV/CUV's weren't outrunning halo performance cars...

Need. Want. Not being obtuse. The car is fast enough. Why do you care "this" car or "that" car just happens to be faster than you. You're not taking that SUV/CUV to a mountain road(for the same purpose of a "sport car"). If you are, my hat's off to ya.




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TLDR: 300hp isn't a big deal anymore, everything has gotten significantly more powerful than it was 30 to 40 years ago; do a weight : power ratio comparison, 300hp in the 1990's isn't the same as 300hp in the 2020's



True, performance cars had less power in the 80's/90's
However
They were also significantly lighter, so you didn't need as much power
Trucks and SUVs had way less power than they do today, they were mostly toque with very low horsepower, not to mention significantly fewer gears to keep them in the horsepower.
Beyond that, there were significantly fewer SUVs as "normal cars" it was mostly minivans, and outside of the 2nd gen Dodge/Chrysler Caravan (V6 models), they were all slow.

80mph is the cruising speed on the highway in New England now, except in Northern NH where the speed limit is 70; I stick to 9-over because of my CT plates, but any Mass/NH plate certainly doesn't.

Do you recall how slow normal cars were back in the 80's/90's? The full size jobs (Crown Vic, etc.) were BOF so the V8 didn't do them any good as far as speed & acceleration were concerned, Buick made rolling sofas for the 70+ crowd, Subaru made cars with barely over 100hp.

"Back in the day" I had cars that were significantly faster than "normal" stuff without being bonkers power.
A fox mustang with ~300WHP, close ratio 5mt & 3:55s would embarrass most anything "normal" on the road (considering it came with 2:73s, as did other Ford cars, GM & dodge had equally sleepy gearing).

Fast forward ~30 years and the Mustang is 460hp, 6spd, 3:55s or 3:73s all from the factory, not to mention nannies to help you rev match, launch, and keep the rear end from breaking loose when you get into the pedal too much, while being ~600lbs heavier than a fox, but a stock fox only had 225hp in the 90's; 8.3lb:1hp now, 13.8lb:1hp then; that's a lot of go.

Now trucks & CUVs/SUVs have an optional V6TT with an 8 or 10 speed, not saying that's the norm (except for the F150 crowd, and now the Tundra crowd) but the V8 in the F150 is no slouch either.



Happens all the time, at least in CT. Everybody is crazy now; If I get into the situation where someone is trying to stop me from passing, if I can't outpower them by a significant amount, I just drop back until someone sees my blinker and lets me in, that guy/gal can have the front spot. If they're being a dick about it, like slowing down below the speed limit after I drop in behind them, I will put effort into passing them, if there is an off-ramp that looks like it has an easy back-on, I'll drop off and get a snack.

If my wife and/or kids are in the car, Cruise set at 5-9mph over, staying in the right lane as much as possible; like I said, people are crazy, and I have mellowed as I aged.

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I guess I got a little too caught up in the "need" comment cause people had been saying in past posts about other cars that it was "needed" because less horsepower was "unsafe" because of merging onto the highway......that I remember people still doing 70-80 in the 80s/90s and I did just fine with my less than 100hp Justy. Everyone else seemed to get along just fine as well. Even the person here(dang it I'm forgetting) that lives up in Colorado Springs area.....where I had driven a recently purchased from an Aurora dealer 71hp Justy all through the Springs. Again. No issue. Drove a rental 2002 Lancer and it's power gobbing 120hp up Pikes Peak and ALL around Colorado Springs, Denver, Boulder, Golden and a few other places with no issue.

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