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Old 05-11-2021, 08:55 AM   #1
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Default Official: Subaru Solterra (EV) ...coming 2022

On sale 2022 as a MY23.

Here is the US press release: https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...c-suv-solterra

Now, we just need technical specs. We already know the basic looks inside/out thanks to the Toyota bZ4X unveiling. https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...c-suv-concept/

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SUBARU NAMES NEW ALL-ELECTRIC SUV "SOLTERRA"
- SUV is Brand's First Global All-Electric Vehicle -
Solterra developed as a joint-venture between Subaru and Toyota
Built on the all-new e-SUBARU Global Platform
Engineered to be a safe, versatile, and capable Subaru SUV
Scheduled to go sale in the U.S., Canada, China, Europe, and Japan in 2022

Subaru of America, Inc. (SOA) today announced that it will name its new full-electric SUV Solterra. Designed as a joint venture between Subaru and Toyota, the Solterra features a new, dedicated all-electric platform named the e-SUBARU Global Platform. The joint venture combines Subaru's expertise in all-wheel drive technology with Toyota's vehicle electrification technology.

The name Solterra was created using the Latin words for "Sun" and "Earth" to represent Subaru's commitment to deliver traditional SUV capabilities in an environmentally responsible package.

To create the all-new e-SUBARU Global Platform, Subaru engineers worked to bring together the brand's all-wheel drive capability, superior driving dynamics and world leading passive safety in a versatile, dedicated EV platform. The result is a technologically advanced full-electric SUV that is also a truly capable and durable Subaru SUV. The Solterra joins Subaru's award-winning line-up of SUVs, including the Outback, Forester, Crosstrek and Crosstrek Plug-in Hybrid. The Solterra will go on sale in 2022.


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Old 05-11-2021, 08:59 AM   #2
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I'm very interested to know how it works. Subscribed.
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Old 05-11-2021, 09:40 AM   #3
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This is an interesting vehicle.... for sure. I wonder how much range they are targeting...It will be AWD no doubt, and will have eyesight. Will it have the 8.7" of ground clearance. If they can give this 300miles of range, man... they will sell a few. Subaru is full of this kind of cars target audience. Lets hope it does well.
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What's the range at -45F?
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Yup, about time..., finally.
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Subaru has created a micro-site:

2023 Solterra

https://www.subaru.com/solterra-ev?f...62fbf-6-F8i_G4
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:37 AM   #7
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I like those headlights.

Do we know if they're going to have "eyesight"? Being on a shared platform with Toyota, I wonder if they're going to have independent driver assistance, or if they will pick one system and go with it.
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I like those headlights.

Do we know if they're going to have "eyesight"? Being on a shared platform with Toyota, I wonder if they're going to have independent driver assistance, or if they will pick one system and go with it.
Hopefully Eyesight. 2 cameras are better than 1. The Toyota bZ4X shown at Shanghai has a mono-camera (I assume still from Denso). https://www.carscoops.com/2021/04/to.../#lg=1&slide=2

Then again, the 2022 BRZ and GR86 have Eyesight. So who knows if they will switch to Toyota ADAS, but that would hurt Eyesight going forward.
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Hopefully Eyesight. 2 cameras are better than 1. The Toyota bZ4X shown at Shanghai has a mono-camera (I assume still from Denso). https://www.carscoops.com/2021/04/to.../#lg=1&slide=2
eh. System turns off in heavy rain. None of my other cars have ever done that, including my Toyota's. At this point, I trust Toyota's system more.
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eh. System turns off in heavy rain. None of my other cars have ever done that, including my Toyota's. At this point, I trust Toyota's system more.
Even Tesla will require the driver to take over in extreme conditions. I am not saying Eyesight is at Tesla's level, but vision, needs, well, vision. I would still prefer 2 or 3 cameras (Tesla) vs. Mobileye/Denso/etc mono-camera.

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Old 05-11-2021, 11:59 AM   #11
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Even Tesla will require the driver to take over in extreme conditions. I am not saying Eyesight is at Tesla's level, but vision, needs, well, vision. I would still prefer 2 or 3 cameras (Tesla) vs. Mobileye/Denso/etc mono-camera.
Driver taking over from autonomous driving is a lot different than emergency braking turning off because cameras don't work in heavy rain.
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Driver taking over from autonomous driving is a lot different than emergency braking turning off because cameras don't work in heavy rain.
Denso/Mobileye Monocamera won't work better than 2 or more. That is why Tesla ditched Mobileye. The main difference vs Subaru, I would guess, is that Toyota ALSO uses radar to help.

"Eyesight X" on the new Levorg also has radar, so perhaps that will help.
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Old 05-11-2021, 12:16 PM   #13
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Denso/Mobileye Monocamera won't work better than 2 or more. That is why Tesla ditched Mobileye. The main difference vs Subaru, I would guess, is that Toyota ALSO uses radar to help.

"Eyesight X" on the new Levorg also has radar, so perhaps that will help.
Radar is definitely the key difference, to fill in the gaps that the camera can't see. Both my VW and Toyota systems used radar, and never shut down in inclement weather. My VW had about a 30 second blip once when my front end got hammered by slush from oncoming traffic. Good to see that Subaru is moving on from visual only. Guess we'll see what they chose to implement on this car. I just have a hard time seeing them integrating two different driver assistance systems on a single platform. That seems pretty complicated unless Toyota and Subaru are developing independent drive systems, which I doubt.
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Radar is definitely the key difference, to fill in the gaps that the camera can't see. Both my VW and Toyota systems used radar, and never shut down in inclement weather. My VW had about a 30 second blip once when my front end got hammered by slush from oncoming traffic. Good to see that Subaru is moving on from visual only. Guess we'll see what they chose to implement on this car. I just have a hard time seeing them integrating two different driver assistance systems on a single platform. That seems pretty complicated unless Toyota and Subaru are developing independent drive systems, which I doubt.
And I've seen horror stories where radar systems brake out of nowhere because of some random thing blowing across the road, or my favorite, the emergency braking because the radar return that steel plate flat on the ground sent back. EyeSight is still the highest rated system out there. Radar will certainly make it better and I welcome that; but, in the conditions EyeSight turns off, I am CERTAINLY paying even more attention to the road where emergency interventions are the least likely to be engaged nor needed.
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My question, is how will Subaru handle "Symmetrical" AWD branding.

Electric motors on each axle tend to be transverse, which would offset the motor/transmission weight distribution, and therefore negate the Symmetrical branding.
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in the conditions EyeSight turns off, I am CERTAINLY paying even more attention to the road where emergency interventions are the least likely to be engaged nor needed.
Fair, but at the same time, having a system that can see through the crap that you're having a hard time seeing through is a huge benefit. Encouraged to see what adding radar will do.
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My question, is how will Subaru handle "Symmetrical" AWD branding.

Electric motors on each axle tend to be transverse, which would offset the motor/transmission weight distribution, and therefore negate the Symmetrical branding.
Haha yeah, will it have X-Mode and Hill Descent braking?...
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Haha yeah, will it have X-Mode and Hill Descent braking?...
It can definitely have X-Mode w/ Hill Descent as that is 99% electronics and the VDC/TCS is the star of the show in an EV. Lightning (do I need Ford's permission?) quick changes to the motors/wheels allows for increased control in low traction situations. Also, the ability, if they choose, to sleep the front motor for increased efficiency, a la Tesla Model 3/Y.
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It can definitely have X-Mode w/ Hill Descent as that is 99% electronics and the VDC/TCS is the star of the show in an EV. Lightning (do I need Ford's permission?) quick changes to the motors/wheels allows for increased control in low traction situations. Also, the ability, if they choose, to sleep the front motor for increased efficiency, a la Tesla Model 3/Y.
Yes, but it will be a little more complicated using a combo of regen and friction braking. But I am sure they will figure it out.


What will be really interesting with this new model is the battery. What composition and range? There was talk of Toyota going with solid state. That would really be leading edge.


Toyota has been sitting on this for a long time, so lots of time (and money) to come up with something new and good. It will have 800V (ultra fast charging), and energy density (kWh per lb) should be very high.
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Do we know what the platform is shared with? Like, is it an existing vehicle from toyota or a new bespoke one like with the brz and 86 that isnt on the roads already?
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Do we know what the platform is shared with? Like, is it an existing vehicle from toyota or a new bespoke one like with the brz and 86 that isnt on the roads already?
e-TNGA is Toyota's brand-new EV platform, which is being used by Subaru for the Solterra and Toyota for the bZ line. It is a modular platform that can be adjusted based on the type of vehicle, number of cells required, etc.

Start the video in this link around 00:03:54...

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/toyota-to...-electric-suv/
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Do we know what the platform is shared with? Like, is it an existing vehicle from toyota or a new bespoke one like with the brz and 86 that isnt on the roads already?
Probably the bZ4X just unveilied a few weeks ago

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Fair, but at the same time, having a system that can see through the crap that you're having a hard time seeing through is a huge benefit. Encouraged to see what adding radar will do.
Ditto. I'm holding my next purchase until I know more about X and when/what it will be available on. And I am getting antsy. My cars are OLD. I was considering the Solterra; but, not if it has that tacked on screen(don't care the size. don't like tacked on). But, in reality, I won't get it with it not being on a Subaru platform. Unless they can convince me it was primarily developed by Subaru......
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in all honesty, I am hoping you T-37 and snow drift will be awarded with points for posting hotlinked pictures in a stupid resolution
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