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Old 06-12-2013, 11:35 PM   #20051
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:36 PM   #20052
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That's a waste of time and resources. You design for a safety factor.

Also there is next to zero market for your product. I understand you are still in school, but once you graduate you will learn that everything in a business is fueled by profit. If there is no market for your product you make no money. There are already cheap ass caliper covers, you don't see them around here because the whole idea is garbage. You are confusing people's intellect to not waste money on stupid things for their being a market for cheap stupid things. You think people don't have them because they cost $200, when people don't have them because they are a waste of money at any price point.

Example:
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/caliper-covers

There are products from the $10-$200 range that do the exact same thing. What makes your product so great that it will outsell all the other crap out there?

Honestly not trying to be a dick. I'm happy a future engineer has the ambition to design and market ideas. I just want you to focus that ambition on something with potential.
First of all a safety factor is determined by the capacity of a system beyond the expected loads or actual loads (aka overengineer).

Those cheap ass caliper covers you see on ebay don't sell because 1. they're hideous if you're trying to make your car look clean and 2. they're made to look like you have brembos. There's 2 markets for caliper covers. One is the ricer that wants to trick people into thinking they have brembos, and the other is any other car enthusiast (whether its import/tuner, american, or classic cars) to wants to make their car look cleaner. You don't see the clean looking covers on many imports because they just opened up to makes and models other than american cars. You also don't see them because they aren't marketed well. The MGP facebook page doesn't even have 5000 likes. That's embarrassing for a company in the auto industry.

Again, you are using your opinion to determine they don't sell. This is the only thread that I have posted in about the covers, and multiple people seemed interested already.

I think you are slightly underestimating my knowledge in entrepreneurship. A simple google search will give you plenty of hits on my current company. I'm not your average college student. Maybe I should have left out that I'm still in school, then you guys would show a little more respect. I feel like I'm being talked down to because of my "inexperience that no one knows about".

I understand you don't think they will sell well, but you really don't know. It seems how many other people on here want to give their knowledge, but have no facts to back it up, just opinion.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:36 PM   #20053
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Buzzed: before you point fingers lets go down your rice list:

1: carbon hood. Why? The hood is aluminum already. That mad scoop carbon hood is probably heavier than stock.
2: the damn caliper covers
3: wing risers... what purpose do they serve? To let air UNDER the wing? Defeats the purpose.
4. Halo lights on a subaru! Thats a bmw thing. Leave it that way!

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Your car is stanced. Argument invalid!


Kidding. Clean WRX. Is it stanced or is that just the body roll around that curve?
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:39 PM   #20054
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No, no. Not stanced at all. Just body roll in that picture.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:40 PM   #20055
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Looks good! Pic looks like tail of the dragon.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:41 PM   #20056
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Buzzed: before you point fingers lets go down your rice list:

1: carbon hood. Why? The hood is aluminum already. That mad scoop carbon hood is probably heavier than stock.
2: the damn caliper covers
3: wing risers... what purpose do they serve? To let air UNDER the wing? Defeats the purpose.
4. Halo lights on a subaru! Thats a bmw thing. Leave it that way!

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Dude, you just don't stop with the stabs.

Hood is definitely steel. I have large size chips from salt on the roads and I am showing a little bit of rust. The stock hood is heavier by far.

I could care less why you think my car is ricey. I think it looks good, and so do most everyone else that sees my car. I did my research, and I have about the same performance and suspension mods as you do. So if you think all I do is appearance, you are most certainly wrong. YOU are the reason why forums are going downhill.

EDIT: thought you were the other guy at first so disregard some of this. But I wouldn't be surprised if I have MORE performance mods and suspension mods than you. FORM AND FUNCTION

EDIT AGAIN: Went on your photobucket album. I like your riced out pearlescent lug nuts and your sti wing on a wrx.
What purpose do the lug nuts serve? What purpose does the sti wing serve? Maybe you should get some caliber covers so we can't see your wrx brakes. Then you can actually fool some people.

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Old 06-12-2013, 11:44 PM   #20057
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I understand you don't think they will sell well, but you really don't know. It seems how many other people on here want to give their knowledge, but have no facts to back it up, just opinion.
All I'm saying is you really don't either. You have a few people on a Subaru forum show interest. Back up your claims with a market study and people will show respect.

Subarus really are becoming the next brofest that is Honduh. You may have your market
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:52 PM   #20058
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All I'm saying is you really don't either. You have a few people on a Subaru forum show interest. Back up your claims with a market study and people will show respect.

Subarus really are becoming the next brofest that is Honduh. You may have your market
I've never said that they'll sell great. You are the only one that made a claim that said they wouldn't sell good. I don't have to show a market study to prove anything, because I never made a claim to begin with.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:52 PM   #20059
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Just found THESE on eBay. They look cool. Anyone have any experience with them. Really like how they say brembo. I could probably use some good tape?
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:54 PM   #20060
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Dude, you just don't stop with the stabs.

Hood is definitely steel. I have large size chips from salt on the roads and I am showing a little bit of rust. The stock hood is heavier by far.

I could care less why you think my car is ricey. I think it looks good, and so do most everyone else that sees my car. I did my research, and I have about the same performance and suspension mods as you do. So if you think all I do is appearance, you are most certainly wrong. YOU are the reason why forums are going downhill.

EDIT: thought you were the other guy at first so disregard some of this. But I wouldn't be surprised if I have MORE performance mods and suspension mods as you. FORM AND FUNCTION

EDIT AGAIN: Went on your photobucket album. I like your riced out pearlescent lug nuts.
You asked "what do you think?" In your OP! We told you we didn't like it, and you got butt hurt.

Since when does "more" equal "better"? If your exterior mods are any sign of your path to performance mods, they are useless too.

Oh, and my "pearlescent" lug nuts are aluminum. Reduces un-sprung weight, and rotating mass... Just in case you wanted to know what useful mods are for.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:56 PM   #20061
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I've never said that they'll sell great. You are the only one that made a claim that said they wouldn't sell good. I don't have to show a market study to prove anything, because I never made a claim to begin with.
All my replies were in reference to this

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So you're saying that instead of manufacturing a better designed and more affordable product (that will actually sell well, you'd be surprised, you don't see them too often now because they're so expensive), I should just spend a few grand on new brakes? What if I'm planning on buying better brakes down the road anyways? The covers aren't meant to be an alternative to better brakes, just to add a cleaner look. So I could potentially be making very good profits off of covers, as well as running better brakes. Why not a little of both?
You're right.. you didn't make a claim.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:57 PM   #20062
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Looks good! Pic looks like tail of the dragon.
Yes sir, that's correct. Love it there. Only a short drive from the house.

Buzzed: Are you really that dense? How does having an sti wing on a wrx make it useless? It's practically the same car!

I thought you were an engineer? Do some research before you rage out. Why would I hide my brake calipers? Braking distances between the sti and wrx are almost identical. The major advantage is heat dissipation, which you clearly have a hard time wrapping your head around.

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Old 06-12-2013, 11:59 PM   #20063
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Buzzed, one thing to consider... No need to keep jabbing back at anyone. Regardless of who "started it" you won't sell a single unit of your product if you depict yourself as a belligerent ass.

Just know that there will be criticism, and in the meantime , quietly develop your product.

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I like your riced out pearlescent lug nuts
You like his nuts. Hey don't hate on custom lugs, (I am shopping for some lol). The McGard's have pretty good reviews.

Sleeper, what brand are your aluminum lugs?
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:00 AM   #20064
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You asked "what do you think?" In your OP! We told you we didn't like it, and you got butt hurt.

Since when does "more" equal "better"? If your exterior mods are any sign of your path to performance mods, they are useless too.

Oh, and my "pearlescent" lug nuts are aluminum. Reduces un-sprung weight, and rotating mass... Just in case you wanted to know what useful mods are for.
I've said countless times that I understand if people don't like them? They're not for everyone. I've gotten "butthurt" when people started getting technical about designing caliper covers without any experience or knowledge, big difference there buddy.

Haha, if you want to make your claim that your lug nuts reduce rotating mass, then I surely can claim that my hood is functional by losing 20-30 lbs, my wing riser kit adds downforce, my caliper covers keep down brake dust, and the halos allow for other drivers on the road to see me better. All of those (except the hood) is a bunch of BS, they really don't make that much of a difference.

Do I really need to list my performance mods? Do a little research, you'll learn that I have more money into my headers/uppipe than in my GTWorx cup kit.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:02 AM   #20065
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You're right.. you didn't make a claim.
First of all, it is a matter of opinion of what "selling well" is. They definitely won't be my only product, especially since I already have a well established lineup in a different industry. I can guarantee you that our definitions of "selling well" are MUCH different. Second of all, I see you left out bolding the word "potentially".

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Buzzed, one thing to consider... No need to keep jabbing back at anyone. Regardless of who "started it" you won't sell a single unit of your product if you depict yourself as a belligerent ass.

Just know that there will be criticism, and in the meantime , quietly develop your product.

You like his nuts. Hey don't hate on custom lugs, (I am shopping for some lol). The McGard's have pretty good reviews.

Sleeper, what brand are your aluminum lugs?
I actually don't mind the lug nuts. Just calling him out on being a hypocrite.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:02 AM   #20066
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Oh cool, ewg and headers. :rollseyes: a gtworx cup kit, omg. You must have the best suspension hands down.

I gave you tons of info, you're ignoring it. Do your tests. You're such a great engineer and business man, we can all tell. Grow up kid.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:05 AM   #20067
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I'm so sad right now. 12 years ago when I joined the world of scoobies, if someone had mentioned caliper covers on a subaru, they would have been shot, tarred, feathered, stoned, and shot again.

Schnells comment on scoobies becoming the next Honda is unfortunately true.

Trustkevin13, I am interested in the backseat protectors. Do you have any pictures?

Ill try and keep this a picture thread. Just finished adding some flavor to the tail lights. (Still need to clean, wet sand, and polish

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Turbogc8, your tails look amazing bro.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:08 AM   #20069
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First of all, it is a matter of opinion of what "selling well" is. They definitely won't be my only product, especially since I already have a well established lineup in a different industry. I can guarantee you that our definitions of "selling well" are MUCH different. Second of all, I see you left out bolding the word "potentially".
Yes I did leave out potential after you made that absolute claim that they would sell. That claim is underlined.

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Oh cool, ewg and headers. :rollseyes: a gtworx cup kit, omg. You must have the best suspension hands down.

I gave you tons of info, you're ignoring it. Do your tests. You're such a great engineer and business man, we can all tell. Grow up kid.
This. I would be careful calling peoples set ups out.

Pics for the pics thread







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Thank you sir. Coming from you (love your car) it's is appreciated.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:10 AM   #20071
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OH MY GOD!! Mods clean this BS up, take your back and forth bull**** to OT or something, I came here to see pictures, all of you shut the **** up!!
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:11 AM   #20072
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Oh cool, ewg and headers. :rollseyes: a gtworx cup kit, omg. You must have the best suspension hands down.

I gave you tons of info, you're ignoring it. Do your tests. You're such a great engineer and business man, we can all tell. Grow up kid.
Never said I had the best suspension. You can't deny that my header/uppipe setup and suspension setup is high quality. A guy claims that my performance mods must be as ****ty as my appearance mods. What else am I supposed to do? I'm not going to give him a whole list of the car, so I figured I'd give him some hints.

Tons of info? Where? C'mon dude, you don't need to try to make yourself look better. You have no experience with testing heat transfer in calipers. And you definitely don't have any experience with adhesives. Seems like your only experience is being a dickhead behind your keyboard. You need to grow up.
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Also i want to clarify i didn't call you kid because of your age. I said it because of your immature stubborn attitude. I furnished plenty of info, as someone who is a "engineer" as you call yourself why would you even waste your time with the info that I've given you. Also beyond that you continue to call people hyprocrites, that seems to be what everyone is to you.

You're the problem with this community.
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Never said I had the best suspension. You can't deny that my header/uppipe setup and suspension setup is high quality. A guy claims that my performance mods must be as ****ty as my appearance mods. What else am I supposed to do? I'm not going to give him a whole list of the car, so I figured I'd give him some hints.

Tons of info? Where? C'mon dude, you don't need to try to make yourself look better. You have no experience with testing heat transfer in calipers. And you definitely don't have any experience with adhesives. Seems like your only experience is being a dickhead behind your keyboard. You need to grow up.
Are you serious? Multiple braking heat studies and the like. Good grief. I don't give a crap about making myself look better.

Yeah. You're right man. You must be the ONLY one on this forum with real world experience. Wow.
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Never said I had the best suspension. You can't deny that my header/uppipe setup and suspension setup is high quality. A guy claims that my performance mods must be as ****ty as my appearance mods. What else am I supposed to do? I'm not going to give him a whole list of the car, so I figured I'd give him some hints.

Tons of info? Where? C'mon dude, you don't need to try to make yourself look better. You have no experience with testing heat transfer in calipers. And you definitely don't have any experience with adhesives. Seems like your only experience is being a dickhead behind your keyboard. You need to grow up.

Yes... You are dense.

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