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Old 04-27-2016, 01:45 PM   #176
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The threads in the rack are different, so you can't reuse the '04 inner tie rods unless you use an adaptor like TeamMoist was making. The outer tie rods are the exact same part.
So reuse my outers(fairly new, moogs) and trim the inners?
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So reuse my outers(fairly new, moogs) and trim the inners?
If you go the trim route, you'll have to trim the both inners and the outers. You should measure your current setup (the distance between the pivot joint on the outers), then trim the '15 ITR and OTRs until you can match that dimension and have a little room left to adjust both directions. You shouldn't have to reuse your outers, the new rack comes with outers (which are the same as your current outers, except brand new.) The only reason to reuse is if you are using bump steer correcting outer tie rods (whiteline, GT spec, etc.) Alternatively, if you use the adapters, and your '04 ITRs you should have your full factory adjustment range.



*disclaimer - This works on GD sedans, but 02-07 wagons and all 93-01s have a narrower track width that would require a shorter inner tie rod (using an adapter). There are just enough threads left for adjustment after trimming that it works for the GD, but further trimming in order to fit the narrower track would be impossible.
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:26 PM   #178
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If you go the trim route, you'll have to trim the both inners and the outers. You should measure your current setup (the distance between the pivot joint on the outers), then trim the '15 ITR and OTRs until you can match that dimension and have a little room left to adjust both directions. You shouldn't have to reuse your outers, the new rack comes with outers (which are the same as your current outers, except brand new.) The only reason to reuse is if you are using bump steer correcting outer tie rods (whiteline, GT spec, etc.) Alternatively, if you use the adapters, and your '04 ITRs you should have your full factory adjustment range.



*disclaimer - This works on GD sedans, but 02-07 wagons and all 93-01s have a narrower track width that would require a shorter inner tie rod (using an adapter). There are just enough threads left for adjustment after trimming that it works for the GD, but further trimming in order to fit the narrower track would be impossible.
Ok I was having some trouble comprehending all this at midnight last night lol makes more sense now..

Unfortunately team moist says they don't have any more adapters and don't have an ETA on when more are being made.. soo guess im forced to go the cutting route.

What's the deal with the PS lines being close to the subframe?

If you buy the custom fittings from the rs 25 forum everything fits nicely or its still an issue?
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:43 PM   #179
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Ok I was having some trouble comprehending all this at midnight last night lol makes more sense now..

Unfortunately team moist says they don't have any more adapters and don't have an ETA on when more are being made.. soo guess im forced to go the cutting route.

What's the deal with the PS lines being close to the subframe?

If you buy the custom fittings from the rs 25 forum everything fits nicely or its still an issue?
It fits much better. Do not use the Fragola 14x1.5mm O-ring to 6AN Adapter. Use the Earl's adapter (p/n 9894DBHERL).
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:57 PM   #180
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The old RS25 write-up that complained of leaking lines was probably an install error (AN fitting sealing surfaces need to be *CLEAN*). I converted to -6AN lines on both the high and low pressure side, and have had zero issues/leaks.
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Old 04-27-2016, 03:05 PM   #181
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The old RS25 write-up that complained of leaking lines was probably an install error (AN fitting sealing surfaces need to be *CLEAN*). I converted to -6AN lines on both the high and low pressure side, and have had zero issues/leaks.
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UPDATE:

I've had a couple of o-ring failures at autox, so I decided to do a little further investigation into the problem. I noticed some difference between the stock P/S line vs. the Fragola AN adapter I was using.

I think the Fragola 14x1.5mm O-ring to 6AN Adapter was the culprit. I believe the hardline from the rack was bottoming out on the adapter so the o-ring isn't quite seating fully/correctly. I purchased 2 new adapters, one is an Earls and the other is a Russell.

Here is the stock line (notice the chamfered/tapered bore)
http://i.imgur.com/pLugFR2l.jpg

Here is the Fragola adapter (p/n 491970) (notice how there is no chamfer/taper to allow space for the hardline)
http://i.imgur.com/p57kJKcl.jpg?1


Here is the Russell adapter (p/n 640820)
http://i.imgur.com/S1fIkZ5l.jpg?2

Here is the Earl's adapter (p/n 9894DBHERL)
http://i.imgur.com/uRSWk6Wl.jpg?1

I believe either the Earl's or Russell adapter will work MUCH better than the Fragola, but I haven't test fit yet. The Russell looks like the closest to the stock line, so I'm leaning towards that one. I'm hoping to get it all back together by the autocross this weekend, so I will report back.
This is what I was referring to with the Fragola/Earls comment.
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:54 PM   #182
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It fits much better. Do not use the Fragola 14x1.5mm O-ring to 6AN Adapter. Use the Earl's adapter (p/n 9894DBHERL).
Yea I made note of that in the first post.. okay thanks alot

So basically I need to buy the adapters/fittings/lines, buy a GR steering rack mount kit, buy the rack itself and then that's everything besides doing the mods and installing...

Not entirely too bad..

Looks like about a 900-1k job if labor is done in house...

Thanks alot for the rest explanation and help...

Really appreciate you not giving the usual "SEARCH" comment...

Again, thanks a ton!
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It is what it is...There are different ways to do it, and a few things that I would change in hindsight, but I was on a schedule and wanted to get it done a simply and cheaply as possible. There was nothing out there for the GD when I made this thread, so I wanted to give the people that were interested in doing this some insight as to how I got it done.
Don't take my statement for hate now....dats not what I said nor meant. In fact, the 3 or 4 writeups I've read showed me the path I wanted to take as each person's vision both detailed what they did and what they could have done through various forks in the road. My method, if it doesn't blow up in my face, will be slightly different than anyone else, net the same result, and fill in a few more gaps. 1-3 more installs and everyone should have all the various ways to skin this cat covered. I'm mainly happy to forge the GG/wagon path as, knock on wood, it should be identical to the RS path, but someone has to walk through the minefield to be sure.
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:04 AM   #184
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Look at post 122. This is on my 04 STI. I was able to reuse the whole thing by only adding about 1cm of thread to the 15 STI rack. Super easy to do.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=122

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I can tell you less than a week. Install slated for this Saturday. First install evAr on a 04 wagon AKA GG. Should (knock on wood) be same as a RS install. You can reuse 04 RS tie rods as long as you have the special M16 to M20 adapter. I have RS tie rods new as I'm not 100% sure Wagon tie rods are the same a RS tie rods, so I'll reuse mine if same and return RS tie rods. Look for full write up sometime early next week that is hopefully useful as I'm not entirely happy with the 3 or 4 writes ups currently on the internet.
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Great write up, I followed this thread as a guideline for my install. I am just about finished on this install on my 05 STi. The 05-07 is actually a little more involved then the 04. I'm assuming being that 04 is 5x100 bolt pattern it shares the same front cross member as a WRX. Don't quote me on that, just an assumption.

That being said, the 05-07 needs a much larger hole cut open in the sub frame for the rack to go thru, as I originally cut a hole similar to the one pictured on here, and it wasn't even close. Also, on the 05-07 STi, the subfame support steering rack cover has additional mounting points on the underside of the subframe, which need to be trimmed on both sides a fair amount in order for the lines on the rack to clear them.

As for the spacer required, you will actually need 2 spacers. The 1st spacer as mentioned in this thread, as well as a smaller spacer which will fit in between the oem steering rack brace. You should also know, you cannot use the cusco steering rack brace, as it has a different shape, but the factory one works perfectly.

Another thing to mention, as for an aftermarket bushing kit. I went with the SuperPro Kit. Part#SPF2648K. That is the bushing kit for a 05-07 STi. No need to purchase 2 individual kits as the 05-07 STi does not have a passenger side D-shaped busing. I also cross referenced all the part# from Superpro, and the kit fits perfectly.

Ill try and get some pictures up for anybody that interested. Haven't seen anything posted yet of an 05-07STi Install, so if anyone plans on doing this, now you know what to expect. Good luck!!!
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Great write up, I followed this thread as a guideline for my install. I am just about finished on this install on my 05 STi. The 05-07 is actually a little more involved then the 04.
I was planning on upgrading to the GD STI crossmember at the same time as the rack install, so any pics you can provide would be very helpful.
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Great write up, I followed this thread as a guideline for my install. I am just about finished on this install on my 05 STi. The 05-07 is actually a little more involved then the 04. I'm assuming being that 04 is 5x100 bolt pattern it shares the same front cross member as a WRX. Don't quote me on that, just an assumption.

That being said, the 05-07 needs a much larger hole cut open in the sub frame for the rack to go thru, as I originally cut a hole similar to the one pictured on here, and it wasn't even close. Also, on the 05-07 STi, the subfame support steering rack cover has additional mounting points on the underside of the subframe, which need to be trimmed on both sides a fair amount in order for the lines on the rack to clear them.

As for the spacer required, you will actually need 2 spacers. The 1st spacer as mentioned in this thread, as well as a smaller spacer which will fit in between the oem steering rack brace. You should also know, you cannot use the cusco steering rack brace, as it has a different shape, but the factory one works perfectly.

Another thing to mention, as for an aftermarket bushing kit. I went with the SuperPro Kit. Part#SPF2648K. That is the bushing kit for a 05-07 STi. No need to purchase 2 individual kits as the 05-07 STi does not have a passenger side D-shaped busing. I also cross referenced all the part# from Superpro, and the kit fits perfectly.

Ill try and get some pictures up for anybody that interested. Haven't seen anything posted yet of an 05-07STi Install, so if anyone plans on doing this, now you know what to expect. Good luck!!!
I plan on doing this swap over summer. Any details would be greatly appreciated! (Pictures would be awesome too!)

Quick Questions: Would a roll center kit for an 06 STI work with this rack?
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I too would appreciate any more information and pictures regarding the 05 sti install.
I have this planned for winter time this year.
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I was planning on upgrading to the GD STI crossmember at the same time as the rack install, so any pics you can provide would be very helpful.
Sure I'll post some shortly.

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I plan on doing this swap over summer. Any details would be greatly appreciated! (Pictures would be awesome too!)

No problem

Quick Questions: Would a roll center kit for an 06 STI work with this rack?
Yes, aside from the fact you have to cut the inner tie rods shorter, the thread size is the same. I'm using the Whiteline roll center kit, fitment is good.

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I too would appreciate any more information and pictures regarding the 05 sti install.
I have this planned for winter time this year.
Yea if you guys can wait a couple weeks, seems like no one is in a rush for this install, I need to make another spacer and am getting some parts powder coated then I'll post a bunch of pics. No problem.
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+1 for more info on 05 STi install.



Since tie rods are being shortened, what will the impact be when doing alignments? let's say if one is trying to align to factory specs.
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Sure I'll post some shortly.



Yes, aside from the fact you have to cut the inner tie rods shorter, the thread size is the same. I'm using the Whiteline roll center kit, fitment is good.



Yea if you guys can wait a couple weeks, seems like no one is in a rush for this install, I need to make another spacer and am getting some parts powder coated then I'll post a bunch of pics. No problem.
Thank You! I'm a novice when it comes to changing anything steering wise, so the more detail you can add, the better!
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So I installed my rack on the weekend. Again, in a 2005 STi. I took some pictures for you guys planning on doing this swap. The Install isn't fully completed yet, as I still need to make a spacer, but this will give you an idea of what I have done so far.



In this image, you can see where I trimmed the support bracket on the subframe where the lower subframe brace/jacking point attaches too. You will need to trim these brackets on the L and R side of the subframe to provide clearance for the steering rack hard lines.




Here you can see how much I had to trim out of the subframe in order for the steering rack to fit up thru the hole.




Now that the rack is installed, you can see after trimming these brackets on the subframe, the hardlines on the rack actually sit above and kind of nestled in behind these brackets.




Kind of hard to tell, but after trimming the hole, the pinion input shaft body fits thru thru the opening nicely.




Here you can see where the hard lines fit up thru the opening after trimming the hole.




This shows the steering rack support bracket on the driver side. You can see where the first custom spacer is installed in the main hole thru the rack, and if you look behind it, or towards the center of the subframe, you can see the gap between the support bracket and subframe, this is where I will need to make the other spacer to fill the void.




Lastly, here's an underside look at the support bracket. You can see one bolt is missing where I will need to make a spacer. You can use the original bolt from the steering rack, on the side which now has a spacer as it is the proper length. I currently have a spare bolt from my ubrace holding the rack up where the spacer is, however it is only a grade 9 bolt, and is there temporarily. I will need to source a proper Grade 10.9 Bolt. But doing this install on the 05-07 STi you will really only need to purchase one Grade 10.9 M10x1.25x60mm Bolt to properly complete this install. There is no need to purchase the other bolt and or washers that is mentioned at the beginning of this thread as the OEM STi Steering rack support bracket makes up the difference in mounting the rack over the 04 STi install.





Ill try and get some more pictures once I fully complete the install, lmk if you have any questions, I don't mind answering them.

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Hmmm, it seems there are subtle differences in the subframes then? Those that installed the 15 STI rack can attest to that, correct? It seems the 05 STI front subframe will require an additional spacer as opposed to the one spacer needed for the (IIRC)06-07 WRX front subframe? Also the opening it cut larger, as well as trimming of the jacking plate mounting locations of the 05 STI.

Gymkhana, great job by the way. Thanks for sharing.
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Hmmm, it seems there are subtle differences in the subframes then? Those that installed the 15 STI rack can attest to that, correct? It seems the 05 STI front subframe will require an additional spacer as opposed to the one spacer needed for the (IIRC)06-07 WRX front subframe? Also the opening it cut larger, as well as trimming of the jacking plate mounting locations of the 05 STI.

Gymkhana, great job by the way. Thanks for sharing.
05-07 should have the same front subframes whether STi or WRX.
02-04 WRX/STi should only require one spacer


EDIT: Incorrect info, see JarHarms post below

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MP, any chance you know how much the subframe and support brackets that were removed weigh in total?
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>Front Cross Member info< Yea for 2006-07 the WRX and STI shared the same front cross member.

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Ill try and get some more pictures once I fully complete the install, lmk if you have any questions, I don't mind answering them.
I'd be interested in some details/photos on the RHS side hardline connections. How do they fit, do they "sort of" line up with factory steering lines, any contact anything else in that installed area, need bending, etc. Basically can you use oem lines instead of fancy fabricated ones.

Does the 06-07 jacking plate fit back in place w/o touching the rack lines, body, or rubber boots?

Are "both" of your spacers 0.39" thick?
**In reality you could omit the 2nd spacer, leave out the 2006-07 style brace, use fender washers, and be same off as someone installing to an 04 STI or 2002-05 WRX. Or use the brace for added support.

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...for 2006-07 the WRX and STI shared the same front cross member.
The 2005 model w/added subframe bolting points is still the best one

This was a Spec C-only item in Japan.

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Does the 06-07 jacking plate fit back in place w/o touching the rack lines, body, or rubber boots?
I can't comment on the 2015 rack, but I can tell you that even the factory Group N 13:1 rack hard lines WILL contact the jacking plate slightly. Given this was a purpose-built design, it would not surprise me if the 2015 rack was the same (or worse).
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Yes. I'm completely aware of that version.

Good to know on the LHS GpN rack. I suspect you are using the stamped one-piece version jack plate? I'd still like to hear from a 2015 rack user too.....
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Similar to JarHarms, I want to know about the power steering lines too.

I'm still curious about the impact on your ability to do an alignment since the tie rods are shortened.

And one more question to add. How are you making your spacers?
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Yes. I'm completely aware of that version.

Good to know on the LHS GpN rack. I suspect you are using the stamped one-piece version jack plate? I'd still like to hear from a 2015 rack user too.....
Not anymore - I switched to the 2005 2-piece style for the larger jacking point and the ability to bolt a skid plate a little easier.
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