|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
04-21-2009, 02:31 PM | #1 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Vehicle:24 TypeS ZO6 White |
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia ecoFLEX gets 46 mpg keeps its 160-hp turbo-diesel
Quote:
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
|
04-21-2009, 06:39 PM | #2 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 22825
Join Date: Aug 2002
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
|
*cough* *cough* Tell me why again why we do not have diesel passenger cars here in the US?
Seems shortsighted and stupid to have not brought this in a few years ago... If only the engine into passenger cars. |
04-21-2009, 06:41 PM | #3 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 48685
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Coquitlam, B.C.
Vehicle:2010 Prius Silver |
Because people like Al Gore will go at the sound of a diesel engine no matter how awesome it is.
|
04-21-2009, 06:58 PM | #4 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 50523
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Toledo
Vehicle:2023 GR86 Gray |
We have the 335d, X5 diesel varient, Jetta diesel, Golf Diesel coming very soon. There are others..
|
04-21-2009, 07:05 PM | #5 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 32113
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Trollhatten, Japan
Vehicle:05 Saabaru Satin Grey |
most of the newer diesels wouldn't work with our old fuel.
the change came about a year or two ago, and it will take time for manufacturers to first decide, then actually bring them to market. |
04-21-2009, 08:34 PM | #6 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 135023
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: DC Metro MD
Vehicle:2006 OBXT 325i |
looks like newer Buicks and should be sold as a Buick.
|
04-21-2009, 10:08 PM | #7 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 14611
Join Date: Jan 2002
|
Ya wanna know why diesels haven't - and might never - catch on in the US?
Because of craptacular diesels that GM brought out back in the 70s and 80s that turned Americans against the idea of a diesel in a passenger car... ... it's the similar reason to why Americans won't buy hatchbacks - they got completely turned off by them back in the 70s and 80s by awful efforts like the Gremlin and Omni and other similar crapmobiles. Oh yea, and the fact that diesel is actually still more expensive than Premium gasoline in many areas of the US, will keep diesel cars out of most American driveways. Diesels should have been the fuel of choice for 90% of all Detroit SUVs/pickups for decades now, but that's now what happened is it? Last edited by Hazdaz; 04-21-2009 at 10:17 PM. |
04-21-2009, 10:22 PM | #8 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 50523
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Toledo
Vehicle:2023 GR86 Gray |
Quote:
Mazda 3 Golf Yaris Fit Mini Aveo G3 Astra Fiesta (soon) Polo (soon) Matrix XB Accent Soul Rio5 Impreza Versa |
|
04-21-2009, 10:35 PM | #9 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 14611
Join Date: Jan 2002
|
^^ let me clarify... it's not that I think that Americans don't like hatchbacks, it's that every time the subject of hatchbacks was brought up to Detroit executives, they would always say that Americans don't like hatchbacks. And that thinking was based on the fact that Americans won't buy craptacular hatchbacks, just like Americans won't buy craptacular diesels either, and Detroit's has a history of making 1/2-hearted attempts at both those.
(I personally love the convenience of hatchbacks, just like I also think that diesels would be a cool alternative to have here, but realistically don't think it's gonna happen) |
04-22-2009, 09:28 AM | #10 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 32113
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Trollhatten, Japan
Vehicle:05 Saabaru Satin Grey |
I think that the car-buying public is constantly changing. The crappy hatches and diesels were never really expeirienced by anyone under 30. Change will come, just slowly.
|
04-22-2009, 10:05 AM | #11 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:1832 Steam Buggy Wood |
once that the refineries complete the US madated upgrades (2010), Diesel prices should drop dramatically.
|
04-22-2009, 10:38 AM | #12 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:that 's, like, your alternate facts, man. |
$3 diesel vs $2 gas is the only thing that currently sucks. As mh_WRX said, once the upgrades are completed they'll become viable. Right now a 60mpg diesel with a $5000 premium in price will still have you losing money over 100,000mi compared to the same car with a 30mpg gas engine.
|
04-22-2009, 10:40 AM | #13 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 9481
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: FFR Challenge #43
Vehicle:1832 Steam Buggy Wood |
The estimate I have heard is 90% of Regular gas prices for highway use diesel fuel by mid 2010.
|
04-22-2009, 10:45 AM | #14 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:that 's, like, your alternate facts, man. |
That would be awesome.
|
04-22-2009, 10:47 AM | #15 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 50523
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Toledo
Vehicle:2023 GR86 Gray |
Quote:
Diesel is $2.08 vs $1.88 for regular in Ohio. |
|
04-22-2009, 11:28 AM | #16 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 14611
Join Date: Jan 2002
|
I think we've seen this before - the price of diesel is dramatically different depending upon location. I haven't checked it recently but I know just a few weeks ago it was over $1 more than premium gasoline. That's crazy... you aren't gonna sell cars that run on diesels in this area till that drops.
|
04-22-2009, 11:32 AM | #17 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:that 's, like, your alternate facts, man. |
I'm glad darknightohio shed some doubt on my statement.
Current average US price for Gas and Diesel: $2.059 & 2.221 Gas is on the rise, diesel is falling. Great news! http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
BMW X1 spy shots released by… BMW, 204-hp diesel model gets 37 mpg | AVANTI R5 | Non-Subaru News & Rumors | 21 | 07-03-2009 01:19 AM |
Vauxhall Insignia wins European Car of the Year | AVANTI R5 | Non-Subaru News & Rumors | 0 | 11-17-2008 12:12 PM |
Video: Audi's Clean Diesel A3 Drives Halfway Across America On 46 MPG | AVANTI R5 | Non-Subaru News & Rumors | 5 | 10-14-2008 05:49 PM |
Opel Insignia ecoFLEX with 160HP 2.0-liter Diesel | AVANTI R5 | Non-Subaru News & Rumors | 5 | 10-06-2008 09:57 PM |
Saturn will be the US Opel/Vauxhall | mhoward1 | Non-Subaru News & Rumors | 23 | 03-07-2006 09:26 PM |