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Old 01-14-2019, 03:10 PM   #526
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Incorrect sir. Contrary to a particular forum member that may try to chime in on this, there are no sold orders for these cars. They will be(probably already are) allocated. Now, said member swears he orders his; but, the real truth is, his dealer is just one of those highly likely to get one.


Now, that said, do they change it for this car? Will they pull a "lottery" like they did on the S208 in home market? Hmmmm.
A lottery would be cool honestly.
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First U.S STI with FORGED PISTONS!!!!!!!! Finally.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:13 PM   #528
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Interesting tidbits in the C&D article. Stamped vs bolted on fenders. 4.5 sec estimate to 60. 5 seconds faster than the RA at VIR. Seems to be quite the machine.
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Rear wiper?? Save weight and use RainX
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:19 PM   #530
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The more I read about this the better it gets....

At 341 horsepower with FORGED PISTONS and a larger HKS turbo charger, larger injectors, they probably left some horsepower and torque off the Table and this thing is slightly detuned from what it can put out power wise. It probably will approach 400 horsepower with some tuning and especially with a 3" downpipe.


I think this is going to be the 2020 STI's base engine as well. Again there is a HUGE advantage to them continuing on with the EJ as they are doing, because now this turbo, the new pistons, the rods, the injectors etc etc, can be ordered and used on the earlier EJ's!!! I think any advantages the very few other cars in this category, 4 door turbo 4 all wheel drive sedan, are completely erased by the S209's upgrades. This car is just frickin AWESOME......of course the price will be high...I mean the engine upgrades alone are going to add several thousand to the price over the base STI's and then probably 5 G's more for the body parts etc etc....I'd say it will be in the 50-55G's range but under 60. Which is still quite reasonable given the potential of this thing right out the showroom floor. I think just an E85 tune alone will put this engine over 400 horsepower??? Agreed?

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Old 01-14-2019, 03:21 PM   #531
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2020 STI on radar.

Seriously, if those performance figures are correct and the S209 is that big of a leap over the RA around a big track, ugliness aside, well done Subaru. I’m still in for dyno numbers on pump 91.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:26 PM   #532
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I think I'm just happy to see an STi with a factory forged bottom-end, it's about time.

Not that I think many will race out to mod, some will, but I'm expecting the s209 to be a bit of a beast with some basic mods and a tune!
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:29 PM   #533
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The more I read about this the better it gets....

At 341 horsepower with FORGED PISTONS and a larger HKS turbo charger, larger injectors, they probably left some horsepower and torque off the Table and this thing is slightly detuned from what it can put out power wise. It probably will approach 400 horsepower with some tuning and especially with a 3" downpipe.


I think this is going to be the 2020 STI's base engine as well. Again there is a HUGE advantage to them continuing on with the EJ as they are doing, because now this turbo, the new pistons, the rods, the injectors etc etc, can be ordered and used on the earlier EJ's!!! I think any advantages the very few other cars in this category, 4 door turbo 4 all wheel drive sedan, are completely erased by the S209's upgrades. This car is just frickin AWESOME......of course the price will be high...I mean the engine upgrades alone are going to add several thousand to the price over the base STI's and then probably 5 G's more for the body parts etc etc....I'd say it will be in the 50-55G's range but under 60. Which is still quite reasonable given the potential of this thing right out the showroom floor. I think just an E85 tune alone will put this engine over 400 horsepower??? Agreed?
I doubt we'll see this motor as a base, it's an S-model STi after all, but hey I wouldn't be complaining if we could buy an STi with factory forged internals on a non-S model.
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I told myself after 10 cars in 10 years. I would keep my 19 STI until minimum 5 years. Oh the punishment.
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C&D estimating a $60-65K price tag. Ouch.
My $37.5K loaded Focus RS (RS2) seems like a bargain
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:38 PM   #536
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Nobody cares about your Ford junk. This is the best Subaru Subaru has ever Subarud. The Focus RS isn’t even the best car Ford makes in its lineup. Prepare yourselves for the $75k STI.
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note that subarus own literature states "estimated" 341 horsepower, so again looking at what they changed on that engine I bet its higher or can at least be tuned for more. If they didnt increase the diameter of the downpipe to 3" then that's typically a 30 horsepower gain with a tune....so right there your looking at 370+ from just a downpipe change.....and maybe even more because those gains are with the smaller current and prev gen turbos...the S209 has a larger turbine.
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I think this is going to be the 2020 STI's base engine as well.
I'd hope not. These numbers are obviously great for a strung-out EJ, but really just adequate when you look at the DI 4-cyl turbos out there these days. They need to be moving on to new tech. If not for pure performance reasons, for other less interesting reasons (emissions, efficiency etc.)

If I were in charge of STI, I'd push for a port and direct injected twin-scroll turbo engine well north of 350hp for all markets. I'd also like it to rev to 8k rpm but that seems to fall into weird guy territory, like how I prefer manual transmissions and don't despise wagons.
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C&D estimating a $60-65K price tag. Ouch.
My $37.5K loaded Focus RS (RS2) seems like a bargain
probably closer to 60 or just a hair under for the actual MSRP....the Cosworth cars were 70G's U.S dollars and they had even more done to them than this S209

Lets not loose site of the fact that they mentioned 10 years of year after year increase in profits....and that is the reason that we got the RA and now this S209 with the hot engine...they can afford these cars now.....its basically costing them nothing to bring them here mod the **** out of them and offer them at a reasonable cost to the enthusiasts who want them.
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Where’s my Levorg then, *****es?
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:00 PM   #541
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I believe you guys need to buy a Chevy, you know it's more reliable than a Toyota and Honda, by a survey. Ha ha.
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:09 PM   #542
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Where’s my Levorg then, *****es?
Oh my goodness yea, when Doll was on about Subaru's wild run and the bones they're throwing enthusiasts, I was champing at the bit
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I doubt we'll see this motor as a base, it's an S-model STi after all, but hey I wouldn't be complaining if we could buy an STi with factory forged internals on a non-S model.
well I can see your point, but think of it this way...the S209 got the BASE STI's engine..and not a JDM 2.0, so that is direction they are going....and they took the RA block and made that the Base engine for the 2019's, so I dont think its unrealistic that the S209 engine will be the 2020 STI engine. I dont think the DI fad is going to last much longer because of the extra maintanence involved and the ever increasing implementation of supplemental electric motors on performance flagship cars across all brands. The DI just isnt going to be needed anymore.

The 2.5 spec'd in the S209 could still be used regardless of fuel mileage etc etc because it is an insignificant number in the total Subaru lineup. As long as whatever the percentage is for the lineup to meet mileage standards they can get away with a forged 2.5 with port injection for the foreseeable future......I'm thinking they keep this S209 engine going forward and add electric motor supplementation to the rear tires(keeping the symmetrical allwheeldrive though) and the total output goes to 440 horsepower with no decrease in fuel mileage or increase in emmissions.
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Just watched the unveiling and saw the specs. My search for a 19 STi Limited just came to a complete stop. Of course unless something to good to pass up comes by..... I think I will wait for the 20/21 model to come out. I was thinking the 19 was the last year they would be using the EJ and I wanted a piece of it before it was gone..... Knowing this S209 with its engine goodies and increase in power makes me feel like Subaru absolutely, does not want to get rid of the EJ just yet...........
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well I can see your point, but think of it this way...the S209 got the BASE STI's engine..and not a JDM 2.0, so that is direction they are going....and they took the RA block and made that the Base engine for the 2019's, so I dont think its unrealistic that the S209 engine will be the 2020 STI engine. I dont think the DI fad is going to last much longer because of the extra maintanence involved and the ever increasing implementation of supplemental electric motors on performance flagship cars across all brands. The DI just isnt going to be needed anymore.
When I said "base engine" I was referring to the base 2.5l here, in the US, not the JDM 2.0 - I should've been more specific in that regard.

Yes, the RA's block transferred over, but the not the sodium filled valves (small win for us RA owners ).

Again, I don't see Subaru making this the 2021 STI's engine (the S209 will probably be a 2020 MY) as it has a lot to do with their hierarchy that was explained in the video. The "S-model" shouldn't, in theory, have the same motor as the base.

If it ends up where it is, great for everyone and S209 owners get it early.
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Oh my goodness yea, when Doll was on about Subaru's wild run and the bones they're throwing enthusiasts, I was champing at the bit
*chomping (Bits are things put in horses mouths that are used to somewheat control them)

And he said there are going to be other models introduced throughout the year... at least I *think* he said that near the closing.

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*chomping (Bits are things put in horses mouths that are used to somewheat control them)

And he said there are going to be other models introduced throughout the year... at least I *think* he said that near the closing.

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I'll see your pedantry and raise you one James May! Champing is the proper term, as the horses are actually grinding their teeth on the bit (as am I) which is more what champing is.

Yes he did mention new models this year, but I didn't feel any hopes occur. Based on where the new WRX/STI/Levorg development seems to be sitting I feel nobody will see any of them for sale for at least another year - April 2020 as a 2021. Japan would get Levorg a little before we got WRX, if everything went same as last gen.
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I was really tempted to trade up my 2018 WRX STi for the S209, however it would probably cost me an extra $25,000 (after the trade-in) out the door!

Besides, if I do the COBB stage 3 (minus flex fuel kit) at around $4K, and buy the HKS turbo, the forged pistons, and add more tuning so another $2K on top, should get me anywhere from 380hp - 400hp at the crank and similar torque figures (with raising the boost to around 19psi).

Yes, there would be possible warranty concerns with modding, but if I had an S209 I wouldn't want to mod it for the same warranty reasons, and also since it's a limited production model, I'd want it to remain stock and unique in order for it to be more valuable later on.

Also, I'm not digging the wide body kit and the canards, and especially that wing, I so much prefer my solid STi wing.

So I think once I'm close to my warranty being expired, I'll upgrade my STi!

But it's really nice that we're getting an "S" STi model here in the U.S.

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Specs seem great. OTOH, some estimates at > $60K? Ouch.
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Sad that they can only make 200 STI that make over 320 hp.
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