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Old 12-20-2018, 04:46 PM   #51
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"Availability of the S209 may be similar to that of the S208, whose Japanese buyers were selected via lottery after putting in a short application."

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Old 12-20-2018, 04:51 PM   #52
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I really hope it doesn't come in that awful "grey khaki" body color.
This. If you can get the color on a CrossTrek, it is not special. Although the Series G in the parking lot outside my office is quite nice.
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:06 PM   #53
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Mine sure did, in CA - there wasn't a single one that didn't.
In many places, not just CA. I guess he got his information out of a Cracker Jack box.
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:09 PM   #54
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In many places, not just CA. I guess he got his information out of a Cracker Jack box.
Yeah I did, and they tasted great. Anything is marked in up CA literally that's the worst state for it. The Type RA did not have the crazy markups that the focus rs and civic type r had, not even close.
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:19 PM   #55
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Yeah I did, and they tasted great. Anything is marked in up CA literally that's the worst state for it. The Type RA did not have the crazy markups that the focus rs and civic type r had, not even close.
In Glendale, I believe it was Glendale Subaru, they had a $15k markup and people still bought them. At least two people had bought two of the four they had with that markup.

I bought mine in Riverside, had it flat bedded home, for $5k over and still feel bad about it - I had never, ever, paid over for a car in my life.

I'm debating listing my RA for sale, I've never driven it - 7.1 miles on the clock, same as the day of delivery.
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:44 PM   #56
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SWP, I remember when you were getting that car. Can't believe you haven't driven it! Shame!

You should definitely jump on this overpriced S209 then. It'll smash your undriven RA to bits yo.
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:52 PM   #57
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SWP, I remember when you were getting that car. Can't believe you haven't driven it! Shame!

You should definitely jump on this overpriced S209 then. It'll smash your undriven RA to bits yo.
I know, between work and family matters - I've literally turned it on and that's about it.

I still daily my '07, with plenty of mods, so it's not like I'm not able to appreciate it in some capacities. For me, I think I was just content knowing the car was safe and it's why not driving it hasn't bothered me at all.

We don't know much about it, but I'm hoping it'll be worth making the move for - permitting I find a buyer for the RA.
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Old 12-20-2018, 06:01 PM   #58
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Yeah, I understand being busy, especially with family. Maybe you should make it a thing of trailering the RA to different meets and never drive it. That would be amazing!

"Trailered; Never Driven."

More on topic, I forget now the difference between the JDM RA and S20x STI. Anyone care to refresh/research?
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Old 12-20-2018, 07:15 PM   #59
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Yeah, I understand being busy, especially with family. Maybe you should make it a thing of trailering the RA to different meets and never drive it. That would be amazing!

"Trailered; Never Driven."

More on topic, I forget now the difference between the JDM RA and S20x STI. Anyone care to refresh/research?
If I had a trailer! I'd love to take it out, but honestly, with half the stuff I see in my '07 STi everyday it doesn't exactly inspire me to want to take it out. I mean, I know it's a 'car' and it's meant to be driven, but there's something about just being able to appreciate it just sitting there.

The primary differences are in the turbo charger, turbo inlet and the corresponding tune of the car. The S208 has special seats, the aero (gloss opposed to matte), I believe the bilstein suspension is similar to that of the RA and a handful of other smaller things.

I think it'd be pretty cool if it came with an Ej207 though.
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Old 12-20-2018, 07:40 PM   #60
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If it came with the EJ207 and wasn't neutered I'd honestly bite the bullet and snatch it up myself. Sedan be damned.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:02 PM   #61
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subaru said the USDM will be getting more cars from STI. we got the brz ts, then the Type RA, now we are getting a S20x series car. will that S209 be a taste of more things to come to the USDM from STI to let us know subaru did not forget the subaru enthusiasts out there.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:01 PM   #62
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Mine sure did, in CA - there wasn't a single one that didn't.
I paid $4700 UNDER MSRP for mine... In California.
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Old 12-20-2018, 11:17 PM   #63
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I paid $4700 UNDER MSRP for mine... In California.
Did you buy recently? I bought mine in April; I had no interest in an RA that sat on a lot for months.

If you got yours back then, good for you man!
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Old 12-20-2018, 11:19 PM   #64
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subaru said the USDM will be getting more cars from STI. we got the brz ts, then the Type RA, now we are getting a S20x series car. will that S209 be a taste of more things to come to the USDM from STI to let us know subaru did not forget the subaru enthusiasts out there.
Do you have a link or more info? I might wait for an S210, if there’s “more to come”. 🤣
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If that’s true, and my salesman mentioned similar, they’re going to stretch the current generation STi for as long as they can before the new WRX, which he said the Subaru rep. told him would actually be 2021. The new STi would then follow a year later. Maybe we’ll end up with a similar situation like with the ZL1 Camaro and GT350 Mustang: despite a refresh/remodel, they’ll continue being built and resemble the outgoing model.

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EJ20yearsold in the 2024 STI confirmed.
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I also wonder if Subaru introducing these hardercore/aggressive STi’s means that the new one, whenever it arrives, or the new WRX, will be soft and too refined. Meaning in it will be more targeted for the masses and less for the enthusiast.
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I also wonder if Subaru introducing these hardercore/aggressive STi’s means that the new one, whenever it arrives, or the new WRX, will be soft and too refined. Meaning in it will be more targeted for the masses and less for the enthusiast.
We should just start speculating about everything. Maybe the next STi will be a g d spaceship!

Or maybe it'll be some hybrid thang which is why they are doing the big nut bust on the send off.
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You laugh but if Ford is giving serious consideration to a hybrid Mustang, it is a very real possibility. Ford doing that with the Mustang, or Subaru with the WRX, is possible and would be a game changer for their targeted markets.
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It'll be interesting to see how and how much they bump the power by (if any). I'm sure that Subaru will continue further with handling improvements and weight reduction.

The S208 & Type RA-R from Japan got their power bumps to ~325 HP by redesigned intake, exhaust, intercooler spray, intercooler shroud, flywheel, and ECU tuning. They of course also have the twin scroll turbo, equal length header, and better quality fuel.

Since our EJ25 Type RA & 2019 STI have many of these components already and only puts out 310 HP, I just can't see the S209 having a huge power bump unless they do something radical (new turbo, equal length header, etc.). I doubt we'll see anything like the "Diamond edition" or TC380 with 349 & 380 HP respectively. The latter having an upgraded turbo and higher flowing exhaust.

I've been seriously debating upgrading to the STI before the redesign and would love a special edition like this, however, I'm not sure I can justify $50k+ unless they make some radical changes.
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People paying 50 grand for an antiquated Subaru with some "special parts" need to have their heads examined. So many more interesting options in this price bracket.
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If I had a trailer! I'd love to take it out, but honestly, with half the stuff I see in my '07 STi everyday it doesn't exactly inspire me to want to take it out. I mean, I know it's a 'car' and it's meant to be driven, but there's something about just being able to appreciate it just sitting there.
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Should be the exact opposite. For better or worse, the trend with performance models is usually that each successive generation exceeds the abilities of the last. Subaru had actually been an exception in that the STI has remained almost unchanged on paper for 15 years. Not to mention when they dabbled with softening the WRX 10 years ago and it failed spectacularly.

I would expect the next gen STI to exceed the performance of this special edition. If the next WRX is only a little bit more powerful, that wouldn't be a big deal. But they need to give the STI a big power jump. And not with some hardcore special edition.
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If it lands somewhere between 300 and 350 hp, I think it's fine. What they need to do is figure out why the STI is getting beat by cars that have similar power outputs but lesser transmissions.

I think if we start to see 400+ come out of Subaru, it's going to get pricey. It's going to creep closer to 50K for a reasonably optioned STI, and if that's the case, cars like the RS3 and M's start to come into play, and Subaru frankly doesn't have the refinement or depth to pull off something like that, which is why Toyota went to BMW for their higher end performance car, not Subaru.
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Should be the exact opposite. For better or worse, the trend with performance models is usually that each successive generation exceeds the abilities of the last. Subaru had actually been an exception in that the STI has remained almost unchanged on paper for 15 years. Not to mention when they dabbled with softening the WRX 10 years ago and it failed spectacularly.

I would expect the next gen STI to exceed the performance of this special edition. If the next WRX is only a little bit more powerful, that wouldn't be a big deal. But they need to give the STI a big power jump. And not with some hardcore special edition.
100% agree that the next generation STI will "perform" better in every way (acceleration, handling, braking, fuel efficiency, etc.).

I think what a lot of people are after in the STI vs the current gen FA20 WRX is the driving feel. The STI has better steering feel from the hydraulic rack, the boxer rumble from the unequal length header, a bit of turbo lag, stronger/better feeling brakes, better shifter, DCCD drivetrain, etc.

While the brakes, transmission/shifter, and differentials can be carried over to the next generation, it's unlikely that the hydraulic steering rack and boxer rumble will be. These will probably be ditched for electric power steering and an equal length header & twin scroll turbo. Better efficiency and fuel economy.

My 2016 WRX with flex fuel is plenty fast for me and the fuel economy is amazing. However, I've found that I want the STI because I miss the "old school" feel of a mechanical shifter, hydraulic steering rack, and a good sounding exhaust. Maybe I'm just getting to the age where "older is better".
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People paying 50 grand for an antiquated Subaru with some "special parts" need to have their heads examined. So many more interesting options in this price bracket.
Pretty crazy for sure when you consider it's a 2012 chassis rocking a 2004 drivetrain. As has been said previously in this thread outside of the engine the major issue with the current STI is just how outdated it looks. It's just not a good looking car from almost any angle and it looks like something that was designed alongside the 2008 EVO X. The fact that Subaru is still selling the STI in solid numbers is one of the unexplained mysteries in the automotive world as there are superior options for the price point.
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