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Old 09-23-2010, 11:26 PM   #26
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Angle on the downstream flange is different.

Thank god they're using a 3-bolt though! 2-bolt flange is one of the stupidest things man ever invented.
Yeah couple inches to the right, but just the same.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:26 PM   #27
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We should start a pool on pricing. My bet is $400+
if I win the pool can i get $400.. 100 says ill win lol
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:33 PM   #28
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So... an expensive header just for the sound. I think I'll pass.
Bro welcome to subaru N/A. It's not that power can't be made with quality boltons and quality tuning.

I've been a nabisco member since 2003 and I'd have to say.. 85% percent of the people on N/A are just throwing on exhaust and intakes and calling it a day.. which is precisely what you said, costly and no gains. At least a header like that will have a sexy exhaust tone. Lets count how many peeps on here shelled out over 200 bucks on an useless sound mod intake at some point...

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Old 09-24-2010, 12:32 AM   #29
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Bro welcome to subaru N/A. It's not that power can't be made with quality boltons and quality tuning.

I've been a nabisco member since 2003 and I'd have to say.. 85% percent of the people on N/A are just throwing on exhaust and intakes and calling it a day.. which is precisely what you said, costly and no gains. At least a header like that will have a sexy exhaust tone. Lets count how many peeps on here shelled out over 200 bucks on an useless sound mod intake at some point...

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Intake Useless?
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:33 AM   #30
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Intake Useless?
Well, most of them are bad for your car and all of them don't add enough power to justify $200.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:47 AM   #31
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Well, most of them are bad for your car and all of them don't add enough power to justify $200.
True for MAF based, I got a $50 intake for my MAP, works great and adds power.
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:52 AM   #32
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Intake Useless?
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:13 AM   #33
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will definitely buy. I'm hoping they're in the $300 range. Totally worth the money for a direct bolt on solution to get the growl back. Hands down.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:20 AM   #34
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True for MAF based, I got a $50 intake for my MAP, works great and adds power.
MAF cars def outnumber the MAP cars though. My favorite intake for MAP subaru's was the gravel sport intake.

I also remember when Injen came out with the revised intake for the 05.. peeps on here were buying those up like candy at $270 a pop.

So my point still stands.. I'd spend 300 on super nice UEL headers vs 270 on an intake..

As nice and the borla and replica ones sound, the WRX manifold is way more UEL.
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:06 AM   #35
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Final price hasn't been set yet but the combination of materials and TIG/MIG processing will be such that the best price possible is achieved for the builder and the buyer.
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Old 09-24-2010, 09:39 AM   #36
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wow. neat. i cant believe there's finally a prototype! after all my hard work. heh. interesting design. i'm curious what people will say about it. i put the price range around 450$?
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No need to buy a HFC with this header design?
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:01 AM   #38
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Looks good....
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:21 PM   #39
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Bro welcome to subaru N/A. It's not that power can't be made with quality boltons and quality tuning.

I've been a nabisco member since 2003 and I'd have to say.. 85% percent of the people on N/A are just throwing on exhaust and intakes and calling it a day.. which is precisely what you said, costly and no gains. At least a header like that will have a sexy exhaust tone. Lets count how many peeps on here shelled out over 200 bucks on an useless sound mod intake at some point...
Intakes and exhaust aren't completely useless. They do flow better than stock and will provide gains, especially with a tune. However an aftermarket header that flows the same or slightly worse than the stock unit seems like a complete waste of a couple hundred bucks.

As cool as it is to have the "boxer rumble" people should realize that the turbo cars make that sound for a reason, primarily b/c of turbo placement, and while it is possible to duplicate it (to a degree) on the NA cars it really doesn't gain you anything.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:15 PM   #40
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Exhaust without changing the header does next to nothing on these cars. Plus, I said most people do it without any tuning. You could search the N/A section and find tons of people who literally just buy axle backs.. or who just have an axleback and a intake.

If your argument is pure bang for buck, then it doesnt really make sense to mod the 2.5 at all then. Most of the time, the sound result is the biggest impact from the mod.
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:47 PM   #41
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True for MAF based, I got a $50 intake for my MAP, works great and adds power.
Not necessarily either. The stock setup doesn't restrict at all, and the stock tune favors the stock hardware. You can lose power by stepping to an aftermarket option. Gains will be minimal and mainly a side effect of pulling in colder air (if not a short ram intake).

Even MAP based cars are sensitive to the intake used. Heck, pull off the stock piping from the air box and say bye to 10 ft-lbs around 2000 rpm and uneven AFR up to 3000 rpm. I'm not kidding either. It is sensitive to ECU tune though, so on the same setup that created a loss, you can also have a gain just from a different tune. A 10 ft-lb loss with one tune can very much be a 5 ft-lb gain with another tune, on the same hardware.
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Old 09-24-2010, 03:52 PM   #42
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wow. neat. i cant believe there's finally a prototype! after all my hard work. heh. interesting design. i'm curious what people will say about it. i put the price range around 450$?
I like it. Large radius bends, smooth collection, steps up in overall size after each collection. For an UEL header, there isn't much not to like. I'm personally still partial to the EL design cause I'm an engineering nerd, but that's just me. I might suggest trying to run a small variety of pipe sizing on the dyno and see what works best. There will likely be some sensitivity to each step, and there might be interesting results if you step up or down on size for any of the pipes. It depends how much R&D will be invested. You might have 3-4 finished prototypes and a hours on the dyno to see what combination provides what gains/losses.
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How much?! Rallisport give us more info!
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I'd buy for sure. I'm always interested in new products and what they do. Whether it be good or bad. I'll sit and wait patiently. Hell, I'd put off drinking for a week or two to get these because I'd like to try them so bad.
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Old 09-25-2010, 06:34 PM   #45
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How much?! Rallisport give us more info!
$450 was the price I was trying to hit. That's just not going to happen, 304 stainless is expensive. It costs way more to build these than I expected. The price will be around $550.
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:09 PM   #46
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$450 was the price I was trying to hit. That's just not going to happen, 304 stainless is expensive. It costs way more to build these than I expected. The price will be around $550.
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Old 09-26-2010, 09:46 PM   #47
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haha good to hear rallisport is making some progress. their site seems to be out of stock on everything =p

anyways, as for the argument on intake and exhaust mods on N/A cars (05+) i think it would be safe to say that 75% of people who modded their n/a did it for looks, and sound. 20% did it based off of mis-information, and the last 5% did it because they had bigger plans in mind. i am one of those last 5%. i read all the stickies on intakes, and mods on our cars. i agree. its useless and a waste of money. UNLESS you put in some major cash into something like cams, or a turbo.

I would buy this header, not for looks, because no one can see it. not for performance, because if there is any gain, its not enough to justify any price over 100. but for sound. i, like everyone else, enjoy that purr we call the boxer rumble. if it indeed is a competitive price, then i believe that it is worth putting the money into such a part.

As with any part you put on your car, i STRONGLY urge you to do your homework. our cars were not made for speed. our cars were not made for the track. our cars were made with "family" in mind. it was designed to be quiet, soft, and safe. if you wanted something fast, that wont cost you an arm and a leg, then you should have purchased a wrx. i eventually plan to put PnP heads and cams into my car then have it professionally tuned, and corner balanced. why? because i simply wish to learn more about how this car works. how each component affects the car as a whole. one can not put a price on knowledge. yes i can find all the information online. yes i can find out a lot without having to put a cent in. BUT can you believe everything everyone says? no. the one person you can believe is yourself. i find the information here helpful to me in my decision making, but it does not make my decision for me. =p

I hope each and every one of you make your own decisions and do not let the internet tell you otherwise xD
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:23 PM   #48
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Jay, I disagree. Here's why:

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1) Hate turbo lag. At the time, 2.0L was all that was available in turbo and that **** just sucks.
2) Price. At the time, the WRX was BIG money more than an RS. All the mods I've done to my RS (which I recently listed) have cost me less than the price difference between a new RS and a new WRX at that time. In other words, the total cost of my modded RS is still lower than the cost of a WRX back then.
3) Insurance. Much cheaper insurance. Plus, much less risk of theft. Who's going to break into a beat up NA wagon?
4) Kinda don't give a frack about horsepower. No, really. The only time I want more power has been when trying to pass someone on a short passing lane on a two lane road. The rest of the time, the RS has more than enough power. All the engine research and testing I've done has been curiosity.

In the end, I've spent less money to end up with a fast car this way. I won't beat a hippopotamus in a straight line, but there's not a whole lot that'll get away from me in the hills. Considering it's in the hills that I like to drive, and that F430 falling away in the rearview mirror... well, it's nice to remind him that my car cost less than his wheels when he finally catches up at the rest break.
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THIS IS A THREAD FOR RALLISPORT RACING'S HEADER not for F'ing intakes, you dude needs to take that to the other 1000 threads pertaining to it and KEEP IT OUT OF HERE!
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Rofl. What will be the best intake in my 08? Any input gee Otto?


Ralli sport racing- don't forget to check the OEM front diffuser will clear these headers. Not sure if the US models have this but it is worth looking into.
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