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Old 03-23-2020, 05:15 PM   #126
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GT is starting just under $40,000, SS starts just under $38,000. BRZ starts just under $29,000.

for some drivers, there will never be a comparison for power, for other drivers the handling capabilities far outweigh any power adder. and for others they just bolt on 10k in engine mods to make the grin.
Chevy also added a cheaper V8 trim. LT1 for $35K. GT base is about $36K.
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Old 03-23-2020, 05:25 PM   #127
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GT is starting just under $40,000, SS starts just under $38,000. BRZ starts just under $29,000.

for some drivers, there will never be a comparison for power, for other drivers the handling capabilities far outweigh any power adder. and for others they just bolt on 10k in engine mods to make the grin.
The SS is not only much faster, itís also a much more advanced car. The new LT1 is $34,000 and has the drivetrain from the SS and most of the go fast bits. The interior isnít very nice, so itís more compatible to a brz in that respect.
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:16 PM   #128
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Then there's the 2.0T 1LE that bridges that gap for $31k.
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Old 03-24-2020, 02:19 PM   #129
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Camaros are just so massive though. Pony cars are huge and while it's easy to overlook that when they are rocking a V8, to me at least they lose some appeal with a smaller engine as I've always gravitated to compact sized cars and to me a 4 cylinder engine isn't enough for me to overcome the sheer size of those cars.
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Old 03-24-2020, 02:30 PM   #130
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Camaros are not only big (on the outside) they're TINY on the inside. The hole for the trunk opening can barely fit a small suitcase through it, despite being fairly normal sized inside.

It's totally impractical in every trim level, but the performance is so good. That's why I wish Subaru could offer something that was even 80% as good but in a practical package.
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Old 03-24-2020, 03:10 PM   #131
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Camaros are just so massive though. Pony cars are huge and while it's easy to overlook that when they are rocking a V8, to me at least they lose some appeal with a smaller engine as I've always gravitated to compact sized cars and to me a 4 cylinder engine isn't enough for me to overcome the sheer size of those cars.
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Camaros are not only big (on the outside) they're TINY on the inside. The hole for the trunk opening can barely fit a small suitcase through it, despite being fairly normal sized inside.

It's totally impractical in every trim level, but the performance is so good. That's why I wish Subaru could offer something that was even 80% as good but in a practical package.
370z sits in the middle of the BRZ and Pony cars across the board (weight, power, price)
downsides: Not a 2+2, "ancient" as far as interior space and amenities are concerned, but that can be a good thing too; why buy an older car that's been beat when you can get a "new" old car instead?
I'm not a fan of the VQ but I like it more than the FA20.
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Old 03-24-2020, 03:15 PM   #132
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Somehow the Z seems like a ****box fake sports car to me. It might be due to their terrible tire wear early in their lifecycle, or the fact that nobody I know has ever tracked one. I'd take a BRZ with its crappy torque dip tuning over a Z all day long. I'd also take a new ND Miata and deal with the lack of space. The Miata is an actually good car.
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Old 03-24-2020, 04:21 PM   #133
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Nissan's kind of today's Isuzu. I just don't think I can lower myself to buying a 2nd rate Japanese product.
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:03 PM   #134
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Somehow the Z seems like a ****box fake sports car to me. It might be due to their terrible tire wear early in their lifecycle, or the fact that nobody I know has ever tracked one. I'd take a BRZ with its crappy torque dip tuning over a Z all day long. I'd also take a new ND Miata and deal with the lack of space. The Miata is an actually good car.
I have seen a couple of 370Z at the track back in 2012, the main issue owners were complaining about was oil temp; going up to 270+F after a couple of laps.
The second issue that kept popping up was cam position sensors crapping out.
In both cases, the ECU would step in to prevent engine damage.
Meanwhile, by 06 WRX was slowly but surely eating one of its 2 HGs.
So, yeah, it is what it is.
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:13 PM   #135
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My 08 350z Touring with the HR motor was the most uninspiring car I've ever owned. It was also incredibly impractical and the more I owned it the less I liked the looks. I owned it 11 months before I sold it.

I test drove the BRZ when I still had the Z. It had a superior fun factor and driving experience than the Z. But, I ended up with a 2011 WRX sedan, which was the first of the three rumbly sedans I've owned since. No regrets.
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:34 PM   #136
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255hp turbo supposedly. There ya go. The picture of 2021 date for new 86 is nothing new, and I guess the 255hp turbo rumor is even dated. Not sure what new evidence there is here of the 255hp turbo coming from a "leak."

https://jalopnik.com/details-of-six-...-86-1842473009
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:46 PM   #137
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That would be awesome. Even 225/225 would be a big improvement assuming weight doesnít increase.
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Old 03-24-2020, 08:58 PM   #138
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:59 AM   #139
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I wonder if Subaru is going to offer any special deals during the shutdown.. meaning there are several tS's just sitting at the dealers and I wouldn't mind adding one to park next to my STI and WRX.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:43 AM   #140
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I wonder if Subaru is going to offer any special deals during the shutdown.. meaning there are several tS's just sitting at the dealers and I wouldn't mind adding one to park next to my STI and WRX.
Yes they are
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:31 AM   #141
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Nissan's kind of today's Isuzu. I just don't think I can lower myself to buying a 2nd rate Japanese product.
Isuzu was never an inferior product, they were always a misunderstood product.

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Nissan is in a world of ****ery, a lot of the time, Isuzu was stuck in a world of being ahead of the curve from a design perspective. Nissan has never had that problem.
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:42 AM   #142
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255hp turbo supposedly. There ya go. The picture of 2021 date for new 86 is nothing new, and I guess the 255hp turbo rumor is even dated. Not sure what new evidence there is here of the 255hp turbo coming from a "leak."

https://jalopnik.com/details-of-six-...-86-1842473009
I read this yesterday and immediately thought "They'll chinze and put a 1.8L in it or possibly a 1.6L". Hard to say. Are they going to detune the FA DIT even more? Surely it's not going to have a TMIC.

I think the delay will cost them. And by delay I mean people have been asking for a higher powered version (especially to get rid of the torque dip) since it debuted. By the time this hits dealer lots a lot of much faster machinery is going to be available for the same price albeit used.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:01 AM   #143
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I think there's clearly a market for a car that's a little faster, bigger, and more practical, than a Miata without being much more expensive.

A BRZ that handles as well as the current one but does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds or so would be a pretty compelling package to me if it's offered at around $30,000.
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Old 03-25-2020, 03:01 PM   #144
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if the 255hp turbo brz remains accurate, it will prove to be a nice entry level sports car to our lineup. it should be priced less than the wrx and be for owners who dont need a 5 seater yet. the brz could be a nice personal car while the wrx or sti is your family car but still has all the fun. both tuned and in your garage but with their own purpose.
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Old 03-25-2020, 03:40 PM   #145
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BRZ was always meant to be the secondary or third car, not the primary car. And it was always meant to be "affordable". When you get up to $30k, that pushes it out of "affordable" and "not the primary car".

I didn't mind paying $30k for my BRZ Limited as I knew the Scion FR-S was basically the "base" model. The tS is a great deal considering everything I spent to make my BRZ a tS before it came stateside. However, if that's the starting price, yet people are also expecting it to have a turbo and make 255 HP, that's some good smokey smoke you tokey toke.
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^^^ I don't know how right you are about that, but I guess we will see.

The current WRX Premium with Performance Pack option is around $33.5k and it's spec sheet isn't too far away from the BRZ tS, has AWD, and makes more power.

The current STI has a ton of extra stuff and is around $36k.

The current tS is about $32.4K FWIW.

They're not pricing using a linear cost+performance function, so a low spec turbo BRZ for $28k doesn't seem too unlikely to me.
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:22 PM   #147
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The current tS is pretty much a rip-off if you consider the previous tS with the wing and all aero bits it came with the car. I don't know how much the factory ground effects are on the BRZ, but on my WRX and STI, I spent like $1K each for the STI ground effects (front splitter, side diffusers, rear diffusers). I dont do cheap knock-off crap on my cars.
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Old 03-25-2020, 04:24 PM   #148
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Yeah, I checked my local dealers but they only have deals on the regular folk cars.. like Legacy (boring), Outback (yawn), Impreza (ZZzzzz..), etc.
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Guess no Yaris GR :/
Was it ever rumored to be coming to the US?
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Was it ever rumored to be coming to the US?
Toyo USA inquired to all of us, if there was interest. There was. But the Tom Balls of Toyo USA basically said no but we may see the powerplant/drivetrain in the f'in Corolla.

F them.
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