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06-05-2013, 09:09 AM | #1 |
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Latest Motor Trend: Who says the GR WRX can't handle?
In the latest issue of Motor Trend, there is a comparison test of the Audi R8 V10 vs GTR. The GTR posts some crazy performance numbers (as usual) and tears up Willow Springs (1.55 mile course).
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...k/viewall.html Additionally Motor Trend posts up their Willow Springs track data. The 2013 WRX Special Edition (no different than a standard WRX) actually posted some very decent numbers. It out ran the following cars: 2013 Subaru Impreza WRX Special Edition 1:27.4 2011 BMW M3 Coupe 1:27.7 2011 Ford Mustang GT 1:27.8 2013 Ford Focus ST 1:28.4 2013 Ford Mustang V-6 1:29.1 2013 Hyunda Genesis Coupe 1:29.1 2013 Ford Focus ST 1:29.3 2013 MazdaSpeed3 1:29.5 2013 Subaru BRZ (Long Termer) 1:30.3 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited 1:30.3 2013 Scion FR-S 1:31.2 2012 Volkswagen GTI DSG 1:31.5 2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata 1:31.9 I can only imagine the WRX's improvement with a proper alignment and stiffer shock dampening.
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06-05-2013, 09:12 AM | #2 |
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That is surprising, good to see though.
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06-05-2013, 09:21 AM | #3 |
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And before people start making arguments about conditions, this is Willow Springs, just north of LA. It's always sunny and warm.
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06-05-2013, 09:23 AM | #4 | |
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06-05-2013, 09:30 AM | #5 |
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Nice, the only cars faster around the track from their sample are some real monsters.
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06-05-2013, 09:31 AM | #6 |
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06-05-2013, 09:36 AM | #8 |
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Interesting. Very different from Car & Driver's Lightning Lap results.
V6 'Stang outran the WRX by 4 seconds GT by ~8 M3 Coupe by ~11 Genesis by a couple Lightning Lap Results |
06-05-2013, 09:38 AM | #9 | |
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The 545hp GTR and 550hp Audi had peak MPHs of 124 and 119mph, respectively. I have a real hard time believing the 305hp V6 Stang would be spending much time, if any, on the 112mph limiter at WS. |
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06-05-2013, 09:41 AM | #10 | |
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06-05-2013, 09:42 AM | #11 |
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So fast it beat the Focus twice.
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06-05-2013, 02:17 PM | #13 |
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not suprising. The brakes seem to be the limiting factor for the new wrx. was extremely tight when i test drove it.
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06-05-2013, 02:43 PM | #14 | |
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Whos says it can't handle? That's a relative statment anyways. Handled great when I took my bone stock car to the track. Cooked the crap out of the brakes, but aside from that, it did great.
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Anyways, for sure different tracks will yield different results. Out of all the local tracks Streets of Willow is the closest to a canyon road. Being able to put power down out of corners and having good torque to pull you out of them counts for a lot. The 2.5 mile big track, Willow Springs International Raceway will favor much more powerful cars like the current M3 or a Corvette and the WRX will be much slower, drivers being equal of course. |
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06-05-2013, 02:45 PM | #15 |
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Absolutely, one track day and the front pads were totally cooked. Brake fluid boiled too. Better pads and fluid have helped a lot but ultimately the STI Brembo setup with good pads and fluid is the hot ticket.
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06-05-2013, 02:50 PM | #16 | |
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On the big track, the stang would certainly be bouncing off the limiter down the straight, in turn 8 and possibly on the run between turns 2 and 3. |
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06-06-2013, 01:41 PM | #17 | |
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Just an alignment and better shocks will make the car that much better. Bigger/better brakes are certainly needed for longer courses. I won't argue that. Big brakes for autox and normal daily driving? IMO, a waste of money and possibly worse braking. |
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06-06-2013, 02:26 PM | #18 | |
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As you said, once it takes a set the stock suspension is actually pretty good. The real area where it's evident how soft it is would be during transition and the rapid side to side weight transfer that happens as a result. It's still manageable though. You're right that on the street, except for the longest and steepest of high speed canyon descents taken at cuckoo speed, there should never be an issue with the stock brakes and the grip of the tires used will matter much more. I don't see how upgrades will make things worse though unless racing pads that requires coming up to temp to be effective. That aside, by virture of their opposed piston design, the Brembos do tend to offer better modulation and feel. Hardly necessary for street but nor mandatory on an auto-x course, but nice to have. |
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06-06-2013, 02:45 PM | #19 | |
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06-06-2013, 03:20 PM | #20 | |
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As for the bias issue, there is some wiggle room in that respect of how much the bias is really affected. It's usually not necessary to replace the master cylinder or introduce a brake bias adjuster if the big brake kit was properly engineered to work with the existing components. In respect to OEM WRX twin piston front brakes and theOEM four piston brakes, this really not a problem at all as the four piston equipped WRXs used the same master cylinder. |
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06-06-2013, 05:13 PM | #21 |
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Beating the M3 coupe is the only thing that surprises me there.
And damn that GT-R is sexy. I don't see myself ever owning one, but one can dream. |
06-06-2013, 06:59 PM | #22 |
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I love the wrx taking 3 fords. awesome.
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06-06-2013, 07:14 PM | #23 |
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Hahaha.
Anyways, awesome. Brb, rubbing this in everyone's faces Beating the M3 is very impressive, those things are literally twice the price of a base WRX... and this is the top of the line model, right? Meaning it's 3400lbs, instead of the base model's 3200. So theoretically, a base WRX would be even quicker (unless some weight distribution or other factors come into play). Also interesting that the BRZ beats the FR-S by so much. |
06-07-2013, 12:28 AM | #24 |
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My understanding is the brz suspension is slightly stiffer and as their long term tester, I believe they put better tires (for a tire test) on it than the prius tires they come with.
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