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09-11-2012, 11:30 AM | #26 |
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"Sport wagon" is the appeal for me. They are a rarity in the US. Sure I'd rather have a new gas turbo awd wagon, but that's not an option.
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09-11-2012, 09:14 PM | #27 | |
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We added a sprinking of Mazdaspeed parts. She loved the car. It was totalled in an accident. We really wanted a similar type of car to replace it, but nothing new on the market really moved us. She ended up getting a new G8 GT. |
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09-12-2012, 09:51 AM | #28 |
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09-12-2012, 04:13 PM | #29 |
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Funny this should come up, I am about to look at a V6 manual wagon this week. And I found a V6 manual hatch too. I am very tempted by the wagon. $7600 52,000 miles. Anything I should look for when I drive it?
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09-12-2012, 09:23 PM | #30 |
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52k miles? Awesome.
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09-12-2012, 09:40 PM | #31 | |
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09-12-2012, 09:59 PM | #32 | |
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09-12-2012, 10:49 PM | #33 | |
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Look at the gearing of most gasoline cars today. A 4cyl Camry turns like 2,000 rpm at 75 MPH in sixth. The ~240+ ft-lb available from a diesel at that RPM is really nice in terms of avoiding downshifts while climbing hills. And the fuel economy is better to boot, yielding easy 500+ mile cruising ranges. Downside is the purchase cost and complexity (repair cost) of diesel engines. If the US Government would abandon the stupid 2.5 MPH bumpers and US consumers would get over their fear of towing with anything smaller than an F150, you'd see the advantage of passenger car diesels in terms of towing capability as well. The 140hp Golf diesel is rated to tow over 3,000 lb in Europe. For enthusiasts who enjoy winding their cars out gasoline engines are better for sure, but as always, we're in the minority. <--- Owned a 2000 Jetta Tdi, which my mom still has. |
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09-12-2012, 11:03 PM | #34 |
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I think the Mazda diesel revs to 5500 RPM or so.
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09-13-2012, 08:52 AM | #35 |
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The revs don't bother me, much. I commute 94 miles a day so I'm on cruise most of the time. I don't do much passing though, but it is hilly. I understand diesel trucks for towing applications and the slight mpg boost, but cars have confused me as gas engines are becoming more and more efficient.
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09-13-2012, 09:10 AM | #36 | |
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And I definitely drive like more of an a**hole in the Jetta than I did in the Z. Something to do with the turbo... |
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09-13-2012, 09:16 AM | #37 |
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Nobody will ever bother trying to find out. As I type this, my foot is to the floor in my Jetta and I'm waiting to hit redline in 1st gear, to see if it really is 5000 I'm kidding (sadly necessary to point out on forums.) And I can't actually remember if my redline is 5000 or 5500, I never look.
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09-13-2012, 09:33 AM | #38 | |
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09-13-2012, 09:50 AM | #39 | |
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Who cares what the rev limit is? It doesn't matter. The revs your engine is turning mean absolutely nothing. What difference does the rev limit make when it's running through a gearbox that changes everything anyway? 170hp is 170hp, regardless of where it makes the power. The gearbox takes care of that. What makes a car fun is a wide powerband as felt at the wheels. New diesels can provide that. |
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09-13-2012, 10:10 AM | #40 | |
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My fuel savings have easily paid the whole diesel thing off - literally and in terms of my satisfaction with the car. I would never consider going gas with this car. |
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09-13-2012, 10:41 AM | #41 | |
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Most people care where the power band is for several reasons. One being you have to start from a stop at zero wheel rpm, which means getting going with a high winding engine is always a bit harder than with a low end torque monster. My old ALH Tdi was a classic example. It had a whopping 90hp, but you didn't even need to touch the fuel pedal to get going, just let the clutch out slowly and the car would go. No bucking, no drama. Try that in a Civic. Also, most drivers try to avoid high RPM because it sounds "bad". It's stupid, but true. I've tried unsuccessfully for years to get my parents and wife to be willing to wind a car out when necessary. My mom's previous car (before I sold her my Tdi) was a Ford Contour SE with the 2.5L V6 (5sp). One of the sweetest revving engines you can find in a regular production car. No dice, she almost never revved it high enough for the secondary throttles to open. It didn't matter that the Tdi has about half the power that her old Contour did. She never revved the Contour high enough to get more than half the power it made. The Tdi is perfect for her. Too bad the new ones are a steaming pile of failure. My parents bought an Outback 3.6R for the same reasons. They never actually use more than 170hp, but the 3.6R sounds a lot better putting out 170hp than the 2.5i does. If the boxer diesel were available it would be perfect for them. |
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09-13-2012, 10:54 AM | #42 | |
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Before the stones start getting thrown my way for the Prius, it was purchased for practicality and reliability (which my GTI taught me that VW was less than capable). It does great in stop and go driving, runs the AC electrically (important for anyone with a new baby... spent hours in parking lots while the wife runs errands), and it is dead nuts reliable. It is a fantastic mommy mobile. Last edited by quentinberg007; 09-13-2012 at 11:12 AM. |
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09-13-2012, 10:59 AM | #43 | |
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I'm bothered by how low my MPGs look compared to the old TDI's. But I think VW figured 'muricans want moar power, give them that and 40 mpg sounds CRAZY good. So people here actually buy the new TDI's. Also, emissions strictness is a super handicap for US diesels now more than then. It is in fact the source of my hydrolocking woes. |
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09-13-2012, 11:09 AM | #44 | ||
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09-13-2012, 11:10 AM | #45 | |
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09-13-2012, 11:28 AM | #46 |
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If they neuter it, it's off my list. 170hp is a bare minimum for me. If they put a 2.0T in it, I'll pre-order it yesterday. But in all likelihood, we're not even getting the wagon to begin with, so this is all fantasy.
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I sincerely hope you never experience the hydrolocking problem. The cars are great to drive, but the company that makes them will not be getting my business any time soon. |
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09-13-2012, 04:10 PM | #48 | ||||
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I do think the 140hp 2.0 was the right balance of impressing 'muricans with power and mileage, vs. say, BMW foolishly tossing a big monster 6 cyl diesel into the 3 series which got good mileage, cost a ton and nobody bought - torque be damned. Note their 4 cyl diesels on the way over now. If Mazda can get me the same 40 mpg fill-ups with 170 hp, then that's bomb. Unfortunately it will only be in sedan form so it won't get a chance to happen. Quote:
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Then I came for some non-free 40,000 mile service stuff, including tire rotation. I get the car back, no tires rotated. I call it out, service advisor calls the garage, tech says "we rotated left to right." WTF. They refund me, I go home and rotate myself, there was obviously no rotation at all (who on earth would have done left to right anyhow??? Maybe at the track???) I promptly checked everything else they were supposed to do, luckily it was the only work they omitted. So my VW dealership experience has fallen in line with everyone else now. Bad. Sadly, if I buy either a Subaru, BMW (two most likely candidates for next car) or obviously VW (new golf in wagon form with non-time-bomb TDI engine is tempting) I will be dealing with precisely the same dealership unless I feel like driving 2 hours anytime I need a dealer to see my car. |
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09-13-2012, 05:57 PM | #49 | ||
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09-14-2012, 02:05 PM | #50 | |
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