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Old 10-14-2021, 01:15 PM   #2826
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I'm gonna be first in line. She's gonna fit the bill alright'. I keep comin' back to check on y'all moanin' n hemmin' n hawin like a buncha' sorry lungers. I'm gonna be takin' ol Ash Barty up to the mountains for a good wranglin'.

Gonna get a deal too to boot'. Y'all'll change ur tune once she lands on the shore and people start gettin' their grubby hands on her. Gonna have to beat em' off with a bottle of the ol' wood shampoo
Bro who actually talks like this ??
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:24 PM   #2827
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Bro who actually talks like this ??
Judging by his username heís a Big Lebowski fan and apparently lives in that movie lmao
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:26 PM   #2828
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Lol @ GTI being more engaging to drive, just stop.
I have GTI after a decade of WRXs and STIs. I can confirm, while it's interior is a ****load nicer, it is not more fun to drive.

Put the driveline of the WRX/STI with the interior of the GTI, then we'd have a winner.

And no, the Golf R isn't the answer, I had one of those as well.
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:28 PM   #2829
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I'll assume that's for me. Obviously, we all know both cars ride on the same chassis and have a lot in common.
However, one looks way better than the other. Especially the rear fascia. Just my opinion.

EDIT: I'm not high at all on Subaru vehicles as a whole; especially since MY2015.
I don't need to explain why
I get you, and yeah the protruding rectum of the WRX is not in the Levorg, thatís actually my biggest gripe with the car along with the joke power figures. Iím just saying, itís basically the same design though. And some people are like flabbergasted at how horrific it looks next to the Levorg and itís like bro really? as I said yeah the Levorg looks better in my opinion too but chillÖthey make it sound like itís a Pontiac Aztek next to the Levorg

Edit: the fact that many are saying the darker color hides the black plastic and it looks ďmuch betterĒ and all the sudden they like it is why I feel people are just being petty and grasping at straws when theyíre saying the car looks like horsepoop
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:35 PM   #2830
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I get you, and yeah the protruding rectum of the WRX is not in the Levorg, thatís actually my biggest gripe with the car along with the joke power figures. Iím just saying, itís basically the same design though. And some people are like flabbergasted at how horrific it looks next to the Levorg and itís like bro really? as I said yeah the Levorg looks better in my opinion too but chillÖthey make it sound like itís a Pontiac Aztek next to the Levorg
Yes, agreed, throw some paint on the plastic fenders and some paint on the protuding portion of the bumper and the WRX would look much better.
But, then again, Subaru decided not to do these things. I don't know how they got there.
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:36 PM   #2831
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:54 PM   #2832
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Meh.

Like 2008?



Hmmmm.......NOTHING else was going on in the world at the time that may have had an effect on sales? Nothing?
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:04 PM   #2833
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you see where the reflectors are. cut off all the plastic past that area. that extra plastic is unnecessary
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:26 PM   #2834
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World Rally Blue

Although these photos are from Subaru directly, they're photoshops of the orange car from the US reveal, turning it blue (with the addition of the "WRX" front plate, and replacing the gray car in the background of the second shot with the wagon).
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:32 PM   #2835
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Bro who actually talks like this ??
I was born with the gift o' gab, we got some lawdogs round' here that don't like the cut of my jib'. Don't take mouth from no internet slack-jawed heathens'. Lowly ditch diggers and counter workers need not apply.

Now back on the topic of this here Ash Barty. Y'all remind me of a bunch a Pokemon Go types. I'll be first in line at the dealer on a weekday at 9:30 am...weeds out all the 9 to 5ers of the world, leaves only those of us who make and shake their own damn shedules. The big ballers. Ron the plumber ain't showin' up, he's plungin' *****ters at the Montessori academy by 9am.

Nay say all ya want about the back end of this here Ash Barty, but when ya see it in person....we're talkin' BIGGUNS just like Brianna Banks use to have back in the day. I think turnout will be relatively low, which is good for me. I'm competin' with the likes of some dudes called Weak Richard and Young Eddie, gonna try to let ya tent their buudyhull in the parkin' lot.

Now excuse me while I take a big heap'm duddy. Big Duuuuddddy. High pile. Heavy stack.
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:42 PM   #2836
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I get you, and yeah the protruding rectum of the WRX is not in the Levorg, that's actually my biggest gripe with the car along with the joke power figures. I'm just saying, it's basically the same design though. And some people are like flabbergasted at how horrific it looks next to the Levorg and it's like bro really? as I said yeah the Levorg looks better in my opinion too but chill***8230;they make it sound like it's a Pontiac Aztek next to the Levorg

Edit: the fact that many are saying the darker color hides the black plastic and it looks "much better" and all the sudden they like it is why I feel people are just being petty and grasping at straws when they're saying the car looks like horsepoop

The new w
WRX is the Aztec of wrxs
They will have to ask the ow Wes do the new o es to park in the back of the Subaru meet ups

It is a weird amalgamation of homely and rugged.

I know you and straight 6 are wanting to like it so bad. But is being laughed at worth it
One thing it's not is sport or attractive.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:13 PM   #2837
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Same angle. Doesn't show the butt. Smart.
I noticed that, too. They are showing it from the best possible angle. The darker picture where the wheel arches are darker, and you can't see the cladding, looks like a very appealing car. But, it's like the ugly/out of shape person who takes selfies by holding their phones over their heads at a certain angle, where they actually look good.

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It is actually pretty entertaining to read all these posts . But at the end of the day they are irrelevant as people ragging on the design were never the potential buyers anyway.
Excuse me? Granted, I'm much more interested in the STI, but I'm a cash-in-hand buyer with an 18 STI to trade in... which proceeded a brand new purchased cash-in-hand 13 WRX, and 15 STI. We also have a 2016 cash-in-hand, new purchased, 2016 Crosstrek. Our past four vehicles were Subarus. We're not wealthy by any meant, but we don't need financing, and we were hoping to drive another new Subaru off the lot. How much more of a potential buyer does it get?

Still crossing my fingers to be a buyer of a 2022 or 2023 STI, but why should I keep my hopes high?

As far as the GTI goes, it must not say much for the WRX if the GTI constantly receives more praise. It must be so numb, because it's consistently referred to as the benchmark of hot hatches.

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I get you, and yeah the protruding rectum of the WRX is not in the Levorg, that's actually my biggest gripe with the car along with the joke power figures. I'm just saying, it's basically the same design though. And some people are like flabbergasted at how horrific it looks next to the Levorg and it's like bro really? as I said yeah the Levorg looks better in my opinion too but chill***8230;they make it sound like it's a Pontiac Aztek next to the Levorg

Edit: the fact that many are saying the darker color hides the black plastic and it looks "much better" and all the sudden they like it is why I feel people are just being petty and grasping at straws when they're saying the car looks like horsepoop
The darker pictures flat out hide one of the worst features of the car. How would that justify it looking better? I have no personal gain by wanting this car to flop, as someone who was really hoping to be a buyer.

As far as the Levroge, I don't understand why people are into the modern station wagon look. If you forced me to buy both vehicles, I would actually pick the WRX. If the car drove great, I would STILL consider living with the cladding. However, I couldn't get over the rear end. Like it or not, it's as obnoxious looking as the Type-R rear end, minus the wing. Neither would work for me. Are looks subjective? Yes... It's not for me. This is despite me, unlike others, thinking it has the possibility to drive much better than the prior versions. But, no high end options like the Recarro outside of the CVT option? The huge tablet on the dash? (again subjective) That add more to the not for 'me' factor. Unlike prior versions where I liked the criticized more subtle looks and design, like I love my 18 STI (trunk swapped), this is too radical.

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Old 10-14-2021, 05:45 PM   #2838
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As far as the Levroge, I don't understand why people are into the modern station wagon look.
Clearly you've never owned a wagon. I don't think anyone is into them for the look, it's about having a much more useful but not athletically compromised vehicle. I was neutral about them at best until I found myself in one as a cheap winter beater. Didn't take too long to be assimilated into the cult from there.
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yeah I'd much rather prefer a Levorg over a WRX simply because the wagon body is more utilitarian to my needs. If they brought the Levorg in a manual or the new Levorg WRX STI or whatever they're releasing in AU/JP with the higher output, even with CVT that would probably be my next car. But alas, I'm simply looking at the WRX/STI purely on manual AWD fun car. Don't really care for the sedan body. Honestly I'm even considering a truck at this point. Although I'm bummed out Toyota is basically killing it in the next Taco ; (
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you see where the reflectors are. cut off all the plastic past that area. that extra plastic is unnecessary
Yeah they didnít do that.
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Old 10-14-2021, 07:07 PM   #2841
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Clearly you've never owned a wagon. I don't think anyone is into them for the look, it's about having a much more useful but not athletically compromised vehicle. I was neutral about them at best until I found myself in one as a cheap winter beater. Didn't take too long to be assimilated into the cult from there.
This. Back when I bought my sportwagon I actually wanted a sedan. I drove a GLI which I didn't like, tried to test drive a Si sedan but they wanted to run credit first, so I went over to the Subaru dealership. The only WRX sedan on the lot was an auto, so I tested the wagon instead and liked it. One day I fit 3 mountain bikes in the back with wheels removed and 3 friends and was hooked on wagons/hatchbacks for life. That's not to say you can't fit stuff in sedans with the seats down, but you can fit more stuff in wagons and hatches. I've fit absurd stuff into my Fiesta.

When I sold that WRX 5 years later I received 3k over bluebook in the same day that I listed it. The buyer said that he was searching for one and kept getting snaked. In 2011 when I tried to get a hatch all of the dealerships were out and only had sedans. Maybe its regional, I don't know, but around here wagons and hatches are very popular.

In my observational opinion, I think the Levorg would sell just fine in the US. Though , and this may have already been mentioned, it would probably rob outback and Crosstek sales.

I've become very complacent with my paid off car. It's fun, cheap, and utilitarian, it would require something unique like a manual WRX wagon or hatch to pull me back into a new car.
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2022 WRX is gonna steal Crosstrek and Forester sales!!!
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USDM Subaru has been a lot of things over the years (at least since they've been on my radar).

In the 80's & 90's they made goats - 4WD (yes 4WD) & AWD cars that could handle the worst weather, and had amazing utility; this was a time before the crossover, and tire technology honestly sucked; people tend to forget how crappy tires were in the 80's and 90's compared to today; that's where Subaru started making a reputation for themselves, at least in New England. The options then were a 2WD car, or a truck with RWD based 4WD, Subaru showed up in the USDM and started carving out a niche in the 4WD/AWD car/wagon/ute market (yeah they offered FWD as well). Worth noting that the AMC Eagle existed, but was a blip on the radar and didn't really get popular until well after it was all over for AMC. mid-late 90's AWD became standard, and Subaru leaned into it. I remember late 90's USDM AWD stuff, it was very FWD+, especially DSM stuff; yeah it had better engines with turbos, better body lines, but the drivetrain was a letdown in comparison, and the hot models were strictly "sports cars" and it was just a FWD car that was slightly better at putting down the power but had no utility; Subarus on the other hand, slow, prodding, utilitarian, "reliable" (remember, 90's reliability is what I'm talking about).
Early 00's, Subaru finally brought their turbo cars to America (2.5RS happened, it was important, but I'm not going into it in detail here), but we had options - you didn't need a cramped coupe (GSX) or heavy GT (30000GT) car to have your AWD turbo fun, sedan and wagon bodies were available, in all of their lightweight, tin-can glory; that's a feature, not a bug, at least in my mind. Personally, I feel Subaru "peaked" for the enthusiast in the mid-00's: the 06/07 WRX & STi, 06-08 Forester, 4th gen legacy GT (wagon & spec B. sedan); they were keeping up with the American V8 performance/muscle cars in a straight line, but were lighter & nimbler, as well as way better as daily drivers.
Subaru managed to nail the right combination of utility, comfort & performance to stay relevant; they pulled a Ford Mustang if I'm honest; they were slower, and behind technology wise, but the best "all rounder" and the Evo had to bow out even though it was the better performer with a more sophisticated AWD system.

After the EVO, Subaru had too many uncontested years and it shows. Golf R was in an entirely different price bracket; if you were buying a WRX or STi, the Golf R was there, but it was a trim level above the highest trim STi.

Then, Subaru dropped body styles, watered down the WRX & STi, didn't properly develop new engines, or the drivetrain, if we stick to the Mustang analogy, this is the 96-99 Mustang era; yeah they made some improvements, but only enough to keep it around, because it was profitable and they were uncontested.

They shifted focus from the niche market to the mass market (meaning the Outback & Forrester got the R&D focus); sure the 08-14WRX/STi existed, but they weren't better performers than prior iterations, they were just modernized, like a bit, they were outclassed by nearly every other manufacturer from an interior materials, chassis design, powertrain standpoint, but the combination still worked, sort of, mostly for fanbois if I'm honest, as a older chassis EJ25 turbo car with modern/equivalent rubber had no trouble keeping up with (and outperforming) the newer cars. I can't blame Subaru for going the route they went, profit is a great motivator, and in a shrinking performance car market, cheap, accessible and AWD is a far more compelling argument than niche AWD performance car. The 2015+ cars, well, I haven't driven a 2015+ WRX with a halfway decent tune out of the box, and the STi suspension tuning is garbage (not to mention the EJ under the hood); it's clear that Subaru Cooperate in the USDM said "you have $20, make the WRX approachable, and to make the STi feel sporty".

I see this iteration of the WRX as Subaru trying to make the WRX an even more approachable volume seller - people like crossovers, so slap some plastic cladding on the WRX, give it a flat wide torque curve (which results in a low redline), tie the options to the CVT model to bring it in line with the brand image of safety, dogs, love, glamping, overlanding & whatever "image" people are into.

I am honestly concerned when I try to fathom what the STi will end up being.
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USDM Subaru has been a lot of things over the years (at least since they've been on my radar).

In the 80's & 90's they made goats - 4WD (yes 4WD) & AWD cars that could handle the worst weather, and had amazing utility; this was a time before the crossover, and tire technology honestly sucked; people tend to forget how crappy tires were in the 80's and 90's compared to today; that's where Subaru started making a reputation for themselves, at least in New England. The options then were a 2WD car, or a truck with RWD based 4WD, Subaru showed up in the USDM and started carving out a niche in the 4WD/AWD car/wagon/ute market (yeah they offered FWD as well). Worth noting that the AMC Eagle existed, but was a blip on the radar and didn't really get popular until well after it was all over for AMC. mid-late 90's AWD became standard, and Subaru leaned into it. I remember late 90's USDM AWD stuff, it was very FWD+, especially DSM stuff; yeah it had better engines with turbos, better body lines, but the drivetrain was a letdown in comparison, and the hot models were strictly "sports cars" and it was just a FWD car that was slightly better at putting down the power but had no utility; Subarus on the other hand, slow, prodding, utilitarian, "reliable" (remember, 90's reliability is what I'm talking about).
Early 00's, Subaru finally brought their turbo cars to America (2.5RS happened, it was important, but I'm not going into it in detail here), but we had options - you didn't need a cramped coupe (GSX) or heavy GT (30000GT) car to have your AWD turbo fun, sedan and wagon bodies were available, in all of their lightweight, tin-can glory; that's a feature, not a bug, at least in my mind. Personally, I feel Subaru "peaked" for the enthusiast in the mid-00's: the 06/07 WRX & STi, 06-08 Forester, 4th gen legacy GT (wagon & spec B. sedan); they were keeping up with the American V8 performance/muscle cars in a straight line, but were lighter & nimbler, as well as way better as daily drivers.
Subaru managed to nail the right combination of utility, comfort & performance to stay relevant; they pulled a Ford Mustang if I'm honest; they were slower, and behind technology wise, but the best "all rounder" and the Evo had to bow out even though it was the better performer with a more sophisticated AWD system.

After the EVO, Subaru had too many uncontested years and it shows. Golf R was in an entirely different price bracket; if you were buying a WRX or STi, the Golf R was there, but it was a trim level above the highest trim STi.

Then, Subaru dropped body styles, watered down the WRX & STi, didn't properly develop new engines, or the drivetrain, if we stick to the Mustang analogy, this is the 96-99 Mustang era; yeah they made some improvements, but only enough to keep it around, because it was profitable and they were uncontested.

They shifted focus from the niche market to the mass market (meaning the Outback & Forrester got the R&D focus); sure the 08-14WRX/STi existed, but they weren't better performers than prior iterations, they were just modernized, like a bit, they were outclassed by nearly every other manufacturer from an interior materials, chassis design, powertrain standpoint, but the combination still worked, sort of, mostly for fanbois if I'm honest, as a older chassis EJ25 turbo car with modern/equivalent rubber had no trouble keeping up with (and outperforming) the newer cars. I can't blame Subaru for going the route they went, profit is a great motivator, and in a shrinking performance car market, cheap, accessible and AWD is a far more compelling argument than niche AWD performance car. The 2015+ cars, well, I haven't driven a 2015+ WRX with a halfway decent tune out of the box, and the STi suspension tuning is garbage (not to mention the EJ under the hood); it's clear that Subaru Cooperate in the USDM said "you have $20, make the WRX approachable, and to make the STi feel sporty".

I see this iteration of the WRX as Subaru trying to make the WRX an even more approachable volume seller - people like crossovers, so slap some plastic cladding on the WRX, give it a flat wide torque curve (which results in a low redline), tie the options to the CVT model to bring it in line with the brand image of safety, dogs, love, glamping, overlanding & whatever "image" people are into.

I am honestly concerned when I try to fathom what the STi will end up being.

Cliff notes (for those who remember what these were).... WRX got watered down to make it more line with Subaru's image of LOVE

CTR, here we come.
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Some rally races are held on tarmac.
Seeing the interiors of rally racers, confirms that I want a healthy dose of GT in my daily.
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It should be noted that Subaru's "peak" when they offered tons of performance options is also when they were at their financial lowest and nearing bankruptcy. It's why they've done such a hard heel turn and tried to stick with what actually makes them money. I'm sure they don't have fond memories of being in that situation.

I wish they could make reliable turbo Boxers and add even small turbos for their other models that currently don't have a turbo. Would feel premium.
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Old 10-15-2021, 08:47 AM   #2847
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But at the end of the day they are irrelevant as people ragging on the design were never the potential buyers anyway.
You're wrong, as usual.

I've been in the market for quite a while now.

I've been waiting for the FA24DIT to hit the WRX and STI for years - many years.

I predicted years ago that once Subaru would finally get rid of the EJ, they'd nail the engine and drivetrain and completely botch the packaging, which they most certainly have done.

It's more embarrassment for Subaru and you.
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Old 10-15-2021, 08:52 AM   #2848
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Clearly you've never owned a wagon. I don't think anyone is into them for the look, it's about having a much more useful but not athletically compromised vehicle. I was neutral about them at best until I found myself in one as a cheap winter beater. Didn't take too long to be assimilated into the cult from there.
Right, I get that. 100%
I just don't understand why people are into the station wagon "look," like I specifically said. The practicality and wants vs. needs argument is a completely different conversation.
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You're wrong, as usual.

I've been in the market for quite a while now.

I've been waiting for the FA24DIT to hit the WRX and STI for years - many years.

I predicted years ago that once Subaru would finally get rid of the EJ, they'd nail the engine and drivetrain and completely botch the packaging, which they most certainly have done.

It's more embarrassment for Subaru and you.
Well put. If they nailed it, then I would be the market. But they haven't nailed it, thus I'm not the market.
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Right, I get that. 100%
I just don't understand why people are into the station wagon "look," like I specifically said. The practicality and wants vs. needs argument is a completely different conversation.
So the reason the wagon died in North America is precisely BECAUSE of the looks. People in general don't like how they look because it reminds them of their wood grain side panel station wagons from the 80's and prior.

Most of us who want a wagon are mostly interested because you get the utility and the performance, looks be damned. Not that we're okay with wagons being ugly, but moderns CUVs are pretty much just lifted wagons at times, though mostly lifted hatchbacks. When a manufacturer makes a wagon that looks relatively good and sporty, it's disheartening that it's either priced to the moon or unavailable to us. Especially when the manufacturer is willing to make a third variant that's a hatchback simply because people don't mind that look over a wagon.

Americans are silly.
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Right, I get that. 100%
I just don't understand why people are into the station wagon "look," like I specifically said. The practicality and wants vs. needs argument is a completely different conversation.
As a wagon guy, I'm into it primarily for the utility; I don't necessarily prefer the looks of a wagon over a nice coupe or hatch, but I can look at a wagon and say "yeah, that's a good looking wagon" or "that is an ugly wagon" but I'm primarily comparing it to other wagons that have existed, and the sedan iteration of the same vehicle.

A Nissan Stagea is pretty ugly, but I'd take one for the drivetrain and give it the R34 skyline treatment.
I didn't really like the Mitsubishi Lancer wagon from either a stylistic or drivetrain standpoint.
Both of those examples had smooth front ends and Volvo "brick" rear ends and just didn't mesh well. In my mind you have to either go full brick (like a Volvo) or smooth out the lines; a cohesive design if you will, not just design a sedan and slap a boxed out wagon body on the back.
CTS-V wagon worked for me, and the drivetrain made it desirable to me (6mt Blown V8 RWD) even though it's pretty lacking in utility (as wagons go).

The wagon in question (Levorg) is pretty attractive as wagons go, but I don't like the CVT-only iteration and open diffs. I do think they did a better job styling the Levorg than the WRX. The unpainted plastic on the WRX looks "cheap" for lack of a better word, the rear bumper protrusion is only made all the more obvious by the lack of paint; it's reminiscent of 1970's bumpers slapped on at the last minute by manufactures to meet US crash standards.
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